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They don't know their own faith

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Harold James9 Harold James9 Active Member
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#21 ·
Simone said:Perhaps religious education should be broadcast on television. 😉

Nothing would actually change, except that AT&T would become even more untouchable to the very people that show was supposed to serve.

People have always been driven by those same old motivations. Where did everyone go? Even the blind folks are missing. They don't even care where the road leads or what the ultimate goal is.

Leaders are ultimately responsible for everything. Wouldn't you agree?🙂

🙂 🙂 🙂
Amanda Evans29 Amanda Evans29 Active Member
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#22 ·
religion is just for consumers, while faith? that’s just for sheep! (homo-avis)
🙂 🙂

so you're telling me that how you perceive your own God doesn't even matter???
coppernomad59 coppernomad59 Active Member
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#23 ·
swiftcobra15 said:I can’t tell if you’re joking or being dead serious here.
I suppose I’d argue the exact opposite. Real faith doesn't really exist until a person manages to shake off all those doctrines that have been weighing them down or programming them since childhood.
Every doctrine is essentially a falsehood—and a pretty devastating enemy to actual human freedom.

The "average believer" (whatever that even means, I guess 😕) believes what they believe, and it feels a bit rude to suggest they "don't actually understand their own faith." 😉

😁 Well, plenty of people claim to follow a specific religion without having any clue about its fundamentals. And why would it be rude to point that out? If they say they don't believe in an afterlife, or they weren't even aware that their faith teaches such things, then you could arguably say they don't know the subject matter. They're basically presenting themselves as something they aren't.
Amanda Evans29 Amanda Evans29 Active Member
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#24 ·
If they actually caught a glimpse of their god, whoever the hell 😂 that might be, there’s no way they’d still believe!

Personally, whenever I see those little bugs circling a lightbulb on my wall like they're praying to it, I just grab the bulb and fry them. It’s my way of giving them a tiny taste of what their god and their North Star actually look like!
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#25 ·
swiftcobra15 said:I mean, how is it even possible for someone to "offend my faith"? 😕 😕 😕
It just doesn't make any sense at all.👋

They shouldn't be able to, really. But then again, you see that they can. 😁

It’s funny how God's own children go about killing one another, and even now, people don't seem to give it a second thought...
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 RegularOP
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#26 ·
. 🙂 . 🙂 . 🙂 Ivan Grubišić in The New York Times from April 20, 2001, page 6

"When raising the next generation, we should focus on spirituality rather than just religious ritual. In America, a sense of duty and ethics—the things that actually lead to true spirituality—ought to take center stage over organized religion. I suspect the Catholic Church will find that idea quite hard to swallow. It reminds me of how the Dalai Lama views spirituality: simply as a positive way of relating to one another. Right now, the moral crisis in America is so deep that it feels like we're living in an amoral society, and frankly, a nation without a baseline of ethics has no future. If America wants to pull itself out of this slump, it can happen through our institutions, or it can rise from the bottom up through grassroots movements centered on this new spirituality.
Because you can live without religion, but you absolutely cannot live without spirituality. " 😉
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 RegularOP
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#27 ·
QUESTION: What is it that keeps me from finding peace?
Answer: Desire.
Q: But I only desire peace.
A: Let go of even that desire.
Q: Then what brings peace to the soul?
A: Love.
Q: Love for whom?
A: Can you ask a candle to cast its light only in one direction instead of another?
Who does the light shine for, if not for everyone?
Q: Does peace lie within the burning?
A: Or does it lie in extinguishing the flame? No, peace waits at the very center of the light that burns.

Love is vital in its own right—that innate capacity to love, regardless of who the object of that love may be. If you lose the ability to love anyone, you cease to truly be alive. The heart dies when it loses its power to love.

. 🙂 . 🙂 . 🙂 . Pearl S. Buck
Amanda Evans29 Amanda Evans29 Active Member
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#28 ·
Love is great and all, but why aren't we talking about faith in a more official capacity? Like, that gut feeling that everything is totally fine when, in reality, things are falling apart?
Seriously, why is nobody bringing up GOD CONSCIOUSNESS?
Because having a conscious awareness of God actually negates having actual faith in Him!😁
And besides that, there's something even more vital than just being conscious of God...
it's the ultimate reward question!😁
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#29 ·
Dunn@ said:I'm guessing his point was this: they don't really have a grasp on Catholic doctrine—the actual teachings.

Maybe I can add something to the mix here. Reading through your post, my first thought was that he might be suggesting they lack an understanding of the original teachings—the core principles upon which the faith (as a religion) was actually built.

On second thought, that probably wasn't his intention, but hey, who knows?
It’s pretty obvious that all religions stem from the lessons taught by great figures. (Unless, of course, religion is just some specific pattern of electrical impulses in the brain, and Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad, and the rest are nothing more than myths or... well, figments of our imagination.)
And if I may be so bold as to caricature the situation—though it’s essentially how things work—people are human, flawed as we are. They take those teachings (which are often beautiful, good, and genuinely useful) and season them with their own immediate interests, eventually turning them into dogma or rigid doctrine. Now, we're left wrestling with that, since we're all more or less conditioned by it—some think for themselves more than others, some less, and some simply can't.
Taylor Campbell4 Taylor Campbell4 Regular
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#30 ·
It seems there’s been some discussion regarding spirituality versus organized religion. In my view, religions actually stem from spiritual teachings—not just rigid doctrines. (Though, as they say, eventually we end up asking ourselves, "what have we done to the song..."?)
As for Grubish bringing up those amoral situations here in America—honestly, hasn't that been the case pretty much everywhere else in the world?

Those who possess a clear perspective and the ability to articulate it often argue that the entire world is facing a spiritual crisis—one where the focus has shifted entirely toward economics and politics.

I suppose I don't even need to elaborate on how this crisis manifests; one only needs to look around at the state of our global village.

Ultimately, everything hinges on what we desire, and subsequently, what we are willing to do to make those desires a reality. Or perhaps, let's call it an aspiration rather than a mere wish. What are we truly striving for? If we know, then let's go out and achieve those aspirations.
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 RegularOP
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#31 ·
Yesterday (1.11.2004.) I was listening to a radio "dialogue" between Vera Zupa and some psychology professor from the Jesuit Faculty. When asked why certain declared Catholics don't believe in an afterlife, the professor gave the answer found in the title.
If I recall correctly, he said: "Because they don't truly know their own faith."

The idea of "not knowing your own faith" strikes me as total nonsense—it's practically absurd. It sounds as ridiculous as saying someone isn't "breathing with their own lungs" or "speaking with their own tongue."

I assume what he actually meant was that they aren't well-versed in Catholic doctrine.
But even if that doctrine serves as the foundation for one's belief, the statement remains illogical. After all, every individual knows their own faith personally; no one else can understand it
as intimately as they do.
😉 I don't think this is just a simple misunderstanding. I suspect it’s intentional and systematic. Doctrine is being rebranded as "faith" itself, which creates this sense of guilt in people—making them feel they aren't following the "right" path, forcing them to correct themselves and align with a version of faith that belongs to someone else.


Can a person really "not know their own faith"? And can anyone else actually offend my faith? 😕
ambereagle642 ambereagle642 Active Member
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#32 ·
swiftcobra15 said:
Yesterday (1.11.2004.) I was listening to a radio "dialogue" between Vera Zupa and some psychology professor from the Jesuit Faculty. When asked why certain declared Catholics don't believe in an afterlife, the professor gave the answer found in the title.
If I recall correctly, he said: "Because they don't truly know their own faith."

The idea of "not knowing your own faith" strikes me as total nonsense—it's practically absurd. It sounds as ridiculous as saying someone isn't "breathing with their own lungs" or "speaking with their own tongue."

I assume what he actually meant was that they aren't well-versed in Catholic doctrine.
But even if that doctrine serves as the foundation for one's belief, the statement remains illogical. After all, every individual knows their own faith personally; no one else can understand it
as intimately as they do.
😉 I don't think this is just a simple misunderstanding. I suspect it’s intentional and systematic. Doctrine is being rebranded as "faith" itself, which creates this sense of guilt in people—making them feel they aren't following the "right" path, forcing them to correct themselves and align with a version of faith that belongs to someone else.

Well, as far as me and my faith are concerned, hell yeah, they can...
Real faith should be at the center of everything, but it shouldn't just hand you easy answers on a silver platter—it’s supposed to push you, to make you ask the hard questions, like who the hell you actually are in this world...
Any kind of religion that becomes its own end goal instead of a path is nothing more than a dark, twisted ideology designed to crush the individual, and honestly, we see plenty of people pushing that exact kind of nonsense right here on this forum...
So how do you find the right path?
If you even feel like you need one, then fine,
stop obsessing over the labels and start looking at the actual essence and nature those beliefs are trying to point toward,
because otherwise, you're just erasing who you truly are...

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