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Two ethical dilemmas

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Participants Daniel Chavez14wearyowl29swiftcobra15frozenangler9Ryan Wilson2nimblemarlin80Jack Harris3Alexander WatsonRoger Hall15hollowviper72brightmooseJose ReyesPaul Phillips4Ryan Ruizmistyfox812Kate Lee12AKeith Phillips3nimblecobra79
Daniel Chavez14 Daniel Chavez14 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Give this a shot—the answer is pretty eye-opening!

1) Imagine you know a pregnant woman who already has eight children. Out of those kids, three are deaf, two are blind, and one has an intellectual disability. On top of that, the mother is suffering from syphilis. Would you advise her to have an abortion? Just think about it and answer for yourself. Now, move on to the next question:

2) It’s time to elect a leader for the entire world. Your vote is the tiebreaker. Here is some background info on the three main candidates:

Candidate A has ties to some "sketchy" politicians and consults astrologers. He’s had two affairs, smokes constantly, and knocks back 8 to 10 martinis a day.

Candidate B has been fired from two different jobs, sleeps in until noon, used narcotics back in college, and drinks a quarter-liter of whiskey every single night.

Candidate C is a decorated war hero with multiple medals. He’s also a vegetarian, only has a beer once in a blue moon, and has never cheated on his wife.

Now, quietly pick in your mind which one should be the world leader.

Once you've made your choice for both questions, check the answers below.

Candidate A is Franklin D. Roosevelt
Candidate B is Winston Churchill
Candidate C is Adolf Hitler

Oh, and regarding the abortion question—yes or no? If you answered YES, you just killed Ludwig van Beethoven.

Have a great rest of your day...!!!
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wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#2 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:Oh, right! While we're on the subject of abortion—yes or no? If you went with "yes," then you just personally ended the legacy of Ludwig van Beethoven. Just a little thought for you!

Have a wonderful rest of your day...!!!
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An oldie but a goodie👍

But look at this reality check: today in Sudan, 5,443 children passed away from hunger and disease. Who knows how many future politicians, humanists, musicians, or scientists were lost in that group? Nobody knows, and honestly, nobody ever will.
swiftcobra15 swiftcobra15 Regular
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#3 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:candidate C is Adolf Hitler

Oh, and regarding the abortion debate—yes or no? If you answered yes, then you just effectively killed Ludwig van Beethoven.

Calling Adi a war hero is a massive stretch. He was just a low-ranking corporal who went temporarily blind due to gas exposure.
Regardless, I wouldn't vote for any of these candidates; I’d simply abstain.

"I would kill Beethoven"—but why not?😕

If a woman came to me for advice, I'd tell her that the choice is hers alone, and whether her child might have grown up to be a musical genius doesn't change that reality.
Of course, clearly God knows much more about that than I ever will.😁
frozenangler9 frozenangler9 Active Member
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#4 ·
Daniel Chavez14 said:If you answered YES, then yeah—you basically just killed Ludwig van Beethoven.

Have a good one...!!!
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Look, you could also argue how many geniuses were never even born because of all this morality talk pushing sexual restraint. 😛

So... 😁
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#5 ·
I would have chosen option A; I’d let her go through with the childbirth, and then I would have had her ovaries surgically removed.
nimblemarlin80 nimblemarlin80 Member
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#6 ·
I went with Roosevelt too. 🙂 It all comes down to astrology. 😁
this sector C was suspicious from the jump... 🙄
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#7 ·
nimblemarlin80 said:As for me, I have decided to cast my vote for Roosevelt. 🙂 Is astrology truly worth our intellectual energy? I find myself questioning whether we have collectively descended into a state of modern superstition. We live in an era defined by unprecedented scientific advancement and rigorous empirical scrutiny, yet many still cling to the notion that the positions of celestial bodies dictate the trajectory of human fate. Does a planetary alignment in a distant corner of the galaxy actually influence our career choices or our romantic endeavors? It seems fundamentally illogical. If we are to base our life decisions on the movement of gas giants and distant stars, then what becomes of reason? What becomes of the individual will? To suggest otherwise is to ignore the vastness of space and the sheer randomness of cosmic mechanics. Is it not more likely that people simply seek patterns where none exist, falling prey to the oldest psychological trap in the book? 😁

I feel exactly the same way. 😁And let’s not overlook the issue of his various affairs; he can hardly claim to be acting with any sense of moral clarity when his own personal indiscretions are so rampant. Does he honestly expect us to believe that his judgment isn't being clouded by his own messy private life? He shouldn't be attempting to project his frustrations onto the rest of us when he hasn't even achieved a baseline level of personal stability.
Jack Harris3 Jack Harris3 Regular
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#8 ·
She went with Roosevelt and ended up killing off Ludwig van Beethoven. 😂
Man, I really love Ludwig... 😢
nimblemarlin80 nimblemarlin80 Member
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#9 ·
Look, I didn't kill anyone... honestly, why on earth would she even ask me? 😁
Alexander Watson Alexander Watson Member
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#10 ·
wearyowl29 said:The old trick.👍

But today, 5,443 children died in Sudan from hunger and disease. Were any of them future politicians, humanists, musicians, or scientists? Nobody knows yet—and frankly, nobody ever will.

There were more than just a few writers among them..
Four world-class painters..
A handful of human rights activists..
One gifted violinist..

And then there's the massive crowd of people who just wanted to live..
And find themselves..

(May they find peace wherever they are now)
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#11 ·
I feel like I’ve heard this one all before, but if you’re asking me, I’d put it this way:

1. I definitely wouldn't tell her what to do, mostly because I don't believe it's anyone's place to advise someone on whether or not to have an abortion.
No matter what the circumstances look like from the outside, nobody has the right to judge someone else's life choices, and frankly, none of us can crawl inside another person's head to understand the weight of everything they're carrying. 😁
So, my answer is no—not because I think she made the wrong call, but just because I find the idea of telling someone else how to handle something so deeply personal to be fundamentally wrong. Little Ludwig shouldn't be caught up in any of this. 😁😁

2. As for presidents, I don't really buy into the whole concept, honestly. I wouldn't pick anyone, simply because I have zero desire to see anyone sitting in that office. 😬
I just don't care for it. 🙂
hollowviper72 hollowviper72 Regular
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#12 ·
Is there anyone who wouldn't vote for me for President? 😢

😁

This whole debate has been swirling around the internet for quite a while now—so, in the interest of being completely transparent, I can't exactly pick a side since we all know how those results tend to shake out.

So come on, Roger Hall15, tell me honestly—you wouldn't want me in the Oval Office either, would you? See? I’m nothing if not honest! 😁
brightmoose brightmoose Member
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#13 ·
Unfortunately, I can't help but come up with alternative answers for everything. 😳

Daniel Chavez14 said:1) Imagine you know a pregnant woman who already has eight kids. Three of them are deaf, two are blind, and one has special needs. On top of all that, she’s dealing with syphilis. Would you advise her to have an abortion?

I’d tell her to stop drinking, smoking, doing drugs, and sleeping around—at least while she’s pregnant. 🙄


Candidate A hangs out with "sketchy" politicians and consults astrologers. He's had two affairs, spends his nights in bed, and knocks back eight to ten martinis a day.

Nah, he’d be much better suited running the Department of Health and Human Services. 😛


Candidate B has been fired from two different jobs, sleeps until noon, used opioids back in college, and downs a quarter liter of whiskey every single night.

Secretary of Education.


Candidate C is a war hero who has been decorated multiple times. Beyond that, he's a vegetarian, occasionally enjoys a beer, and has never cheated on his wife.

Secretary of Defense.

And the President? Well, that would obviously be me. 😬
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#14 ·
Gaudrath said:So come on, Roger Hall15, tell me you wouldn't vote for me for President! You see how much integrity I have! 😁

Look, those two guys were perfectly honest and decent people too. 😬
They drank and lived their lives behind closed doors just like everyone else. 😁 😁
Jose Reyes Jose Reyes Active Member
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#15 ·
Roger Hall15:
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1. I wouldn't advise her to go through with it, because frankly, I would never dream of advising anyone one way or the other on whether to have an abortion or not.
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My hat is off to the master.🙂
Paul Phillips4 Paul Phillips4 Member
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#16 ·
1. I mean, who am I to say? It's not my call to make.
2. No one in particular.
Ryan Ruiz Ryan Ruiz Member
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#17 ·
I went with Roosevelt and ended up taking out Beethoven 😁
mistyfox812 mistyfox812 Regular
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#18 ·
I'd take Beethoven playing the keys while Adolf runs the show. Total sucker for the classics, I guess.
Kate Lee12 Kate Lee12 Member
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#19 ·
1. Neither one, really. I’m trying my best to refrain from playing counselor here... so, it's not a yes or a no regarding B. It could be, or it might not be, who knows...

2. Not even one of them;
Good grief, if I had any say in the matter, I’d at least like to cast a vote for—well, maybe not always against him...

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A Anonymous Veteran
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#20 ·
I definitely wouldn't kill Beethoven—I could never live with myself after "advising" anyone toward an abortion. As for politicians or Presidents, I wouldn't base my vote on private matters like the issues being discussed here.

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