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casualtrucker7 said:I think casualtrucker7 has a point here—that exit fee is basically just there in case you ever decide to switch funds. You can't actually pull money out of the system before age 50, unless maybe you're granted early retirement by NOAA or, I guess, if someone passes away and the savings go to their heirs.

Hmm... I suppose that’s actually how it works... I have to admit, it seems pretty idiotic that you can't pull your own stake out by any means, even if you're willing to pay a penalty. It's almost like once you sign those papers with them, you're essentially locked in until you're 50...

I mean, the second pillar is actually worse—you’re stuck saving until you hit 65 if you're a man or 60 if you're a woman before you even see a cent of that pension, and you don't get those 30% boosts like you do in the third pillar. That’s why they call it a pension; otherwise, most people would probably just blow through all that cash during a recession.

casualtrucker7 said:I mean, the second pillar is actually worse—you’re stuck saving until you hit 65 if you're a man or 60 if you're a woman before you even see a cent of that pension, and you don't get those 30% boosts like you do in the third pillar. That’s why they call it a pension; otherwise, most people would probably just blow through all that cash during a recession.

👍That is exactly the point; when things get desperate, nobody is thinking about the long term...!!

I have a quick question regarding savings. I noticed that Wells Fargo is running this "Rapid Recovery Savings" promotion, and honestly, those interest rates look pretty tempting. I’m considering locking some cash away on a 6-month CD. I understand the mechanics of how it works, but I'm more concerned about the actual security of it. I've heard some whispers that Wells Fargo might be facing some turbulence lately, and I really don't want to be reckless and end up losing my shirt. Does anyone here have any insight into their current stability? Should I go ahead with the CD or steer clear?
Thanks! 🙂

The funds are covered by the Democratic Advisory Board up to $133, provided the agreed interest rate doesn't exceed the publicly announced rate by more than 30%. Since you mentioned "some money," I assume we're talking about an amount small enough that it wouldn't trigger those higher negotiated rates anyway, so there's really nothing to worry about. You'll get your cash eventually. Maybe consider a 3-month CD instead; at a 5.2% yield, it’s actually a pretty decent deal, and if things get hairy, you can always pull the funds. Just keep in mind that for this promotional fixed-rate savings account, the early withdrawal penalty is 0.5%, with a minimum charge of $100

Brian Murphy32 said:The funds are covered by the Democratic Advisory Board up to $133, provided the agreed interest rate doesn't exceed the publicly announced rate by more than 30%. Since you mentioned "some money," I assume we're talking about an amount small enough that it wouldn't trigger those higher negotiated rates anyway, so there's really nothing to worry about. You'll get your cash eventually. Maybe consider a 3-month CD instead; at a 5.2% yield, it’s actually a pretty decent deal, and if things get hairy, you can always pull the funds. Just keep in mind that for this promotional fixed-rate savings account, the early withdrawal penalty is 0.5%, with a minimum charge of $100

So what does that actually mean for us? 🤷

I just saw Bank of America is offering 8.5% on a 6-month CD??? How much can I actually trust that?

In principle, we’re talking about an agreed-upon interest rate. If you’re locking up a deposit with a rate that’s at least 30% higher than the highest publicly posted rate
for that specific type of account and maturity period—as dictated by the bank's interest rate decision for consumer products in effect on the day you actually signed the contract.

But what on earth does that have to do with the deposit insurance provided by the DAB?

Kimberly Nguyen, of course it matters....

N O T I C E R E G A R D I N G C I T I Z E N D E P O S I T I N S U R A N C E
The FDIC (hereafter referred to as the Agency) provides coverage
for citizen deposits based on the deposit insurance act.
The Agency insures citizen deposits at every bank, savings bank, and thrift institution up to the amount of
$133333 in a 100% capacity, regardless of the number of bank accounts held, the balance of those accounts, the currency used, or
where those bank accounts are located.
The United States guarantees the Agency's obligations.
The Agency pays out compensation for insured deposits to citizen depositors in the event that the Federal Reserve
notifies a credit institution
of an order regarding the unavailability of deposits or when a competent court issues an order to initiate bankruptcy
proceedings.
The following deposits are included in the deposit insurance system:
1. funds held by citizens in USD or foreign currency deposited under a
deposit agreement,
2. funds in USD or foreign currency held in a savings book,
3. funds in checking accounts,
4. funds in citizens' money market accounts.

The following deposits are NOT included in the deposit insurance system: they are not covered by the following types of deposits:
1. deposits held by members of the board of directors or the supervisory board of a credit institution or special
management of the credit institution where they perform these functions, along with their related
parties,
2. deposits held by shareholders who hold more than 5% of voting shares in
the base capital of a credit institution and their related parties,
3. deposits that are not held in a person's name,
4. deposits placed under significantly more favorable terms than standard rates or those
placed under financial conditions that contributed to the deterioration of the credit
institution's status (see the note provided below regarding this point),
5. deposits for which a competent authority has determined, via a valid ruling, that they originate
from or are linked to transactions and actions constituting money laundering
under the laws regulating money laundering,
6. deposits held in credit unions.
The Agency is required to prepare compensation for citizen creditors no later than 90 days from the date the
unavailability of deposits or the opening of bankruptcy proceedings is established. In exceptional cases, the Federal Reserve may extend this
period.
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Note regarding point 4:
Article 2 of the Decision regarding criteria for determining deposits placed under significantly more favorable terms
(Federal Register No. 55 dated April 29, 2005) stipulates that thecriterion for identifying such deposits is that they
were placed in a bank with an interest rate at least 30% higher than the highest publicly announced
interest rate for that specific type of deposit and maturity period found in the bank's own interest rate decision for
consumer business, which was in effect on the day the deposit agreement was signed.
This Decision has been applicable since May 1, 2005.

rapiddrifter11 said:I just saw Bank of America is offering 8.5% on a 6-month CD??? How much can I actually trust that?

I think you might be misreading that. It looks more like a 36-month term in USD rather than 6 months. Since the interest rate is publicly posted, I suppose there isn't much to worry about regarding its legitimacy.

Brian Murphy32 said:Kimberly Nguyen, of course it matters....

N O T I C E R E G A R D I N G C I T I Z E N D E P O S I T I N S U R A N C E
The FDIC (hereafter referred to as the Agency) provides coverage
for citizen deposits based on the deposit insurance act.
The Agency insures citizen deposits at every bank, savings bank, and thrift institution up to the amount of
$133333 in a 100% capacity, regardless of the number of bank accounts held, the balance of those accounts, the currency used, or
where those bank accounts are located.
The United States guarantees the Agency's obligations.
The Agency pays out compensation for insured deposits to citizen depositors in the event that the Federal Reserve
notifies a credit institution
of an order regarding the unavailability of deposits or when a competent court issues an order to initiate bankruptcy
proceedings.
The following deposits are included in the deposit insurance system:
1. funds held by citizens in USD or foreign currency deposited under a
deposit agreement,
2. funds in USD or foreign currency held in a savings book,
3. funds in checking accounts,
4. funds in citizens' money market accounts.

The following deposits are NOT included in the deposit insurance system: they are not covered by the following types of deposits:
1. deposits held by members of the board of directors or the supervisory board of a credit institution or special
management of the credit institution where they perform these functions, along with their related
parties,
2. deposits held by shareholders who hold more than 5% of voting shares in
the base capital of a credit institution and their related parties,
3. deposits that are not held in a person's name,
4. deposits placed under significantly more favorable terms than standard rates or those
placed under financial conditions that contributed to the deterioration of the credit
institution's status (see the note provided below regarding this point),
5. deposits for which a competent authority has determined, via a valid ruling, that they originate
from or are linked to transactions and actions constituting money laundering
under the laws regulating money laundering,
6. deposits held in credit unions.
The Agency is required to prepare compensation for citizen creditors no later than 90 days from the date the
unavailability of deposits or the opening of bankruptcy proceedings is established. In exceptional cases, the Federal Reserve may extend this
period.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note regarding point 4:
Article 2 of the Decision regarding criteria for determining deposits placed under significantly more favorable terms
(Federal Register No. 55 dated April 29, 2005) stipulates that thecriterion for identifying such deposits is that they
were placed in a bank with an interest rate at least 30% higher than the highest publicly announced
interest rate for that specific type of deposit and maturity period found in the bank's own interest rate decision for
consumer business, which was in effect on the day the deposit agreement was signed.
This Decision has been applicable since May 1, 2005.

I actually had no idea about this... thanks! 👍

Kimberly Nguyen, don't mention it....

My father has some funds sitting in some random bank—not that it really matters—but once his term ended, he wanted to move the money to a different bank because they were offering much better rates. Apparently, the current bank was desperate to keep him, so they offered him 6.3%, which is actually 30% higher than their publicly advertised rate. When my dad told her he wasn't interested because those specific funds weren't FDIC insured, she just stared at him like he was speaking a foreign language. Eventually, she had to call over the branch manager, who ended up apologizing to my father and extended the term with an increased interest rate of 29%. 🤣

I had a similar experience when I was setting up a savings account at a bank in Chicago. I went in with my son, and the teller immediately asked if the savings were for the little guy. I told her yes, it’s for him, but it will be in my name. She started lecturing me about how it would be better to open a dedicated children's savings account to get a slightly higher interest rate, but I wouldn't budge. I didn't want to deal with that whole headache involving the American Meteorological Society approval process, which, strangely enough, this lady didn't even seem to know existed.

Greetings... there is some chatter circulating lately suggesting that Austrian Banks are facing a massive crisis and total panic (I’ve seen it all over the internet), and frankly, I am feeling a bit uneasy. I currently have about $50 sitting within the Federal Reserve system—split between cash funds, mortgage products, and fixed-term deposits—so I find myself wondering: would it be prudent to pull everything out entirely, or perhaps just move a portion over to a different institution? If I were to diversify, which one should I even consider? Any help would be appreciated.🙏

Wait, aren't we actually talking about Hypo Bank over in Austria? I mean, regardless, even if they share a name, we're looking at a completely different country here... Banks operating in the US fall under our own domestic laws and the heavy-handed oversight of Rohatinski.

I honestly don't know, but this really doesn't give me much peace of mind. Just take a look for yourself.

Douglas Carter4 said:I honestly don't know, but this really doesn't give me much peace of mind. Just take a look for yourself.

What a great piece of writing from some certified Euro-skeptics. Honestly, I have no idea why anyone would even bother clicking on a portal like that.

Check out this quote from the article;

"In these uncertain times, American citizens should seriously consider whether they want to keep their money in obviously unstable foreign private banks, or if it would be smarter to move their savings into a rock-solid, secure American bank that is one hundred percent state-owned."

LOL! By that logic, everyone should just dump all their cash into the USPS Bank, which ended up billions in the hole thanks to those reckless investments by their protege.

Well, look, we've only got one domestic bank left—and you can see how in these foreign places where they don't have our "brilliant" managers running things, there isn't any stealing from the bosses. The Italians and Austrians seem pretty good at protecting what they actually earn over there.

It just goes to show how we handle our own business—if anything, these situations are better when our management isn't involved, since those kinds of robberies just don't happen there...

@Brian Murphy32

What you just wrote hit me like a ton of bricks—totally blindsided me! 🙂 I’ve gone through the law myself and have a general grasp of the text, but I had no idea this specific interpretation existed—especially that note you included. If it isn't too much trouble, could you point me toward your source? I’ve been scouring the DAB website and just can't find anything resembling that kind of reasoning.

I was just digging through the Democratic Alliance archives myself... all I can find is this... but for the life of me, I can't track down that specific explanation linked to point 4 🤷