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Loan calculators, savings interest, etc.

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Participants shadowscout27Benjamin Rodriguez2Jason Wells4stormylynx14ruggedpanther2Paul Walker8George Barrett34Scott TurnerAJohn Morris2Robin Rodriguez5dustybadger9analogeagle52Kenneth Myers10swiftowl72driftingraven53Steven ReedRonald Allencasualmoose63Kenneth Lee16Mark Sullivan62Nicholas Turnerplacidhawk12Kate Jackson8 …
shadowscout27 shadowscout27 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
What is the most efficient way to calculate an effective interest rate? Does anyone know of any software that actually makes this process painless? I’ve heard people mention a Google Sheets Add-on—does anyone here have any actual insight into how that works? Look, I am perfectly capable of using the manual formula, but I need something designed for speed and efficiency, not a tedious math exercise.
Benjamin Rodriguez2 Benjamin Rodriguez2 Member
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#2 ·
I swear, there used to be this one Microsoft Excel file hanging out on the Wells Fargo website, you know? I haven't seen it popping up lately, though. Maybe it just slipped through the cracks somewhere... you might want to go dig around and take a look.
Jason Wells4 Jason Wells4 Member
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#3 ·
Interest rates aren't something you just calculate; they're decided...

I'm sure you've got other things on your mind, you just can't quite put them into words.
😉
Benjamin Rodriguez2 Benjamin Rodriguez2 Member
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#4 ·
Interest rates aren't really calculated, they're just decided.

Nah, the guy is asking about the Effective interest rate. Since you're clearly not living in the States, you probably haven't heard much about our standard X 😁

Just a quick little lesson on X: banks—well, all of us, really—have this tendency to play games, right? So they run these ads bragging about these super low interest rates on loans, but then they absolutely fleece you with all these extra fees they conveniently leave out of the pitch 😢 , like some random processing fee, a mandatory deposit, or whatever other shady schemes they cook up that end up driving the actual cost of the loan through the roof. Our geniuses over at the Federal Reserve 🙏 basically told the banks they had to bundle all those hidden costs together with the nominal (advertised) rate, and that’s what we call the X. That X is supposed to give you the real price tag of the loan so people can actually compare offers from different banks without getting played.

It sounds great on paper and it's technically been implemented (the X is legally required to be on the ads and everything), but there's still plenty of ways they get you that isn't baked into the X—like forcing you to buy specific insurance for yourself or your house, which dictates who you have to deal with, or picking out your notary, or choosing the appraiser for you... But hey, I guess it's still better
than how it used to be.

Here's the link if you want to dive into the rabbit hole

http://www.federalreserve.gov/bank/common/inf..._interest_rate
stormylynx14 stormylynx14 Active Member
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#5 ·
Check Microsoft Excel under Insert\function, then look for IRR or MIRR.
shadowscout27 shadowscout27 NewcomerOP
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#6 ·
I tried running this through Wells Fargo and it’s exactly what I need—but it keeps throwing errors at me! Apparently, I’m supposed to adjust my date formats to mm/dd/yyyy in the regional settings, yet everything is already configured correctly. On top of that, the file is password-protected! How on earth am I supposed to bypass this? It feels like I'm right on the finish line, yet miles away from actually getting it done. 😢
Benjamin Rodriguez2 Benjamin Rodriguez2 Member
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#7 ·
Uh, I don't know, man, it seems to be working just fine on my end
shadowscout27 shadowscout27 NewcomerOP
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#8 ·
Alright, it’s finally working. But here is the catch—what I actually need is for it to calculate the X based on the specific day the funds are released. For instance, if the capital gets approved on October 15th, I need the X calculated for November 15th—not just defaulted to the end of the month regardless of when the money actually hits. How do we fix this?
ruggedpanther2 ruggedpanther2 Member
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#9 ·
One bank states this: Interest rates are variable and expressed on an annual basis.

Annual interest rates for fixed-term, non-purpose USD deposits: (table follows)

Fixed-term USD savings with a variable interest rate
Term Interest Rate
1 month 3.25%
3 months 3.80%
6 months 4.00%

The Effective interest rates are equal to the nominal interest rates shown here.

So, here is my question: Let’s say I put $333 into a 3-month term at a 3.80% rate. How exactly do I calculate the earnings?
My logic goes like this: $1,000 + 3.80% = $1,038. Am I on the right track? If I'm missing something, how would one calculate this correctly? Could someone please provide an example?
Paul Walker8 Paul Walker8 Member
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joined Apr 2003
#10 ·
You forgot that interest rates are expressed annually. Apply that and you'll get the right number.
ruggedpanther2 ruggedpanther2 Member
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joined May 2004
#11 ·
3.80 / 12 months = 0.316
0.316 × 3 months = 0.948
$333 + 0.948% = $336
So, if I lock my money into a $333, after three months I'll have $336? That means my total profit is $3.25.
If these numbers actually hold up—and honestly, I’m having a hard time believing them—then why on earth would anyone bother saving at all?
Paul Walker8 Paul Walker8 Member
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#12 ·
Solid conclusion and the math checks out. You might want to factor in inflation or currency fluctuations to the calculation, though.
George Barrett34 George Barrett34 Member
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#13 ·
ruggedpanther2, you're right on the money...

But if you're pulling in four percent while the bank is offering a mortgage at six, you have to wonder where their real interest lies...
Scott Turner Scott Turner Newcomer
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#14 ·
You’re technically wrong, but you’re hitting the nail on the head regarding the logic.

When you use simple compound interest calculations, you have to account for those interest-on-interest effects.
So, if you're trying to figure out what the interest looks like over a three-month stretch when you already know the annual rate, the formula works like this:

Interest = ((1 + rate)^(3/12) - 1) * principal.

To break it down simply:

The interest factor comes out to 1.038^0.25 = 1.009367.

In other words, for $333 you end up with $336.

And let's be real—there is absolutely no point in locking your money away in a CD with an interest rate that low.
But hey, even then, it's still better than stuffing cash under your mattress, where you'd effectively be losing the cost of a couple of beers every three months.
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John Morris2 John Morris2 Newcomer
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#16 ·
ruggedpanther2 said:And here is my big question: Let's say I put $333 into a 3-month CD with a 3.80% interest rate. How do I actually calculate the profit?
My logic is this: 1000 + 3.80% = 1038 dollars. Am I on the right track? If not, how should I calculate it properly? Please show me an example.



Interest rates are always quoted annually, and Scott Turner did the math perfectly.

You definitely can't just do 1000 + 3.80% = 1038. If you actually earned that much in just 3 months, then after 6 months you’d be looking at 1000 + 4.0% = $347. That difference over those 3 months would be $0.67... not happening.

If the annual interest rate is 3.80%, and you deposit for 3 months, the monthly multiplier is 1,000 * 1.003112817, and for the full 3-month term, it's 1000 * 1.003112817^3.

1 + annual rate = 1.0380
The monthly rate is the 12th root of 1.0380 = 1.003112817
For three months, it's either 1.003112817 raised to the third power, or the 4th root of 1.0380 = 1.00936755
Your principal is $333 * 1.00936755 = 1009.36755.
The interest after 3 months is $3.00.
Robin Rodriguez5 Robin Rodriguez5 Active Member
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#17 ·
Scott Turner said:interest = ((1 + rate)^(3/12) - 1) * principal.

Bottom line:

The interest factor is 1.038^0.25 = 1.009367

Spot on, except what you calculated isn't the pure interest rate. You have to subtract that 1 inside the parentheses first.😉
dustybadger9 dustybadger9 Newcomer
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#18 ·
I’m not entirely sure this fits perfectly under this category—so bear with me—but I have a quick question that might make anyone with even a shred of financial knowledge chuckle... If the annual interest rate on something, say a personal loan from Chase, is 15%, what would the interest rate be for a 6-month period? I’m getting a little turned around here—it was just an example I saw somewhere, and the math isn't quite clicking for me... Should I even mention that I have absolutely zero background in economics, accounting, or anything remotely related to finance?
Anyway, thanks so much for the help!
analogeagle52 analogeagle52 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Yeah, dropping a question like this right out of the gate is a total killer move. But hey...

Look, interest is quoted annually—let’s say it’s 15%. So, on an amount of $33, you're looking at $5.00 in interest after a full year. If you hit the 6-month mark, you've basically earned half of $5.00, which comes out to $2.50.
If we're talking just one month, you'd get 1/12 of $5.00, so $0.42.
Getting the picture now?
dustybadger9 dustybadger9 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Thanks a million—everything clicks now!

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