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Equality vs. Entitlement: Is there a difference?

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Matthew Doyle73 Matthew Doyle73 Active Member
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#61 ·
strider2 said:Oh, come on, Matthew Doyle73... if we're talking about women, they aren't scientists—they're just thieves who've been looting their husbands' pockets the whole time. 😲 At least, that's what an alien would say, and he’s got some pretty reliable sources.

Oh, absolutely. And the husbands? They're just sitting there at home, totally clueless, until one day they tune into the Nobel Prize ceremony and suddenly realize: "Holy crap... my suit... my coat... my tie... IT'S ALL GONE!!!" Seriously, those Europeans can't be trusted; they must all be colorblind or something. It's a total disaster. 😛 🙂
Thomas Ramirez2 Thomas Ramirez2 Newcomer
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#62 ·
strider2 said:Oh, please, Watashi... if we're talking about women in this field, they aren't actual scientists; they're just thieves who've been swiping everything from their husbands. 😲 Just like Thomas Ramirez2 would say—and believe me, he knows, because he has his sources.

Who could possibly compete with real scientists?

It is an established fact that this particular pursuit requires absolutely zero genius or creative spark.

In the exact same way, the skill of forging a document isn't considered the art of painting.

Shooting blanks is clearly someone's favorite pastime. 🙂
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#63 ·
And how does that actually relate to the equality of those very same rights? Who exactly should have fewer rights just so everyone else can be protected from their potential abuse?

Watashi!i!i!i
Your question is honestly so layered that I’m struggling to even find the right words to scribble down a response here. It’s one of those questions people have been banging their heads against for centuries, so it’s naturally difficult to pin down. Once you start meddling with the idea of granting or stripping rights from other living beings, you’re essentially walking into a minefield where nobody ever walks away satisfied. Nothing in this world is ever going to be perfect, mostly because humans are just fundamentally wired the way they are. But, if you hand out every single right to absolutely everyone, someone is inevitably going to end up getting the short end of the stick. It’s a paradox, really, but unfortunately, it feels like an unavoidable necessity. So, beyond just the formal legal rights—even if we could somehow ensure everyone remembered everything perfectly—there are also those unwritten social rules, customs, and general etiquette. Those two things don't always have to align. And when we look at different demographic groups, they might technically hold all the same legal rights, yet they aren't necessarily identical in practice. People aren't all the same, even if we all share the exact same legal rights or obligations under the Constitution. A minority group will organize itself, and frankly, I couldn't care less; I don't have anything to do with them. I have my own views, obviously, but I tend to keep my distance because I grew out of those adolescent arguments a long time ago, and life has taught me to be decent and not go pointing fingers at people. You just learn to accept certain things because they simply exist. Suddenly, I find myself surrounded by it all on every side. Just imagine, others don't follow the same set of rules that I do. On paper, before the law, we are all equal, but those other informal rules are much more fluid. You might play around with them a little bit, but you shouldn't take it too far.
Personally, I wouldn't focus on women or homicide; I'd rather talk about the disabled, the sick, the elderly, or the impoverished. Those are the groups I find much more compelling to discuss.
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#64 ·
If we’re talking about groups that are inherently disadvantaged—people living with disabilities, the sick, the elderly, and so on—then yes, shouldn't we be working to grant them rights and aiming for at least a semblance of equality? And I’m not talking about gay people, lesbians, pedophiles, or any of those other groups. Shouldn't the granting of formal rights follow the actual nature of things? These folks can't exactly parade through the streets. They are quiet, and they don't have the option of being loud. They don't infringe upon my privacy; if anything, they enrich it because they make me realize just how lucky I am, and I find myself feeling incredibly grateful to God. Aren't they our brothers who deserve us reaching out a hand to help them through laws, practical support, our attitudes, and by changing the way society views them?
I.L. — I actually took the exact opposite stance when it comes to those other groups.
Matthew Doyle73 Matthew Doyle73 Active Member
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#65 ·
Blaise said:Matthew Doyle73
Your question is so incredibly convoluted that I'm struggling to even put a coherent thought down on paper.

I didn't bother asking you because whenever you weigh in on this thread, it’s basically like watching a monologue where someone just argues with themselves 😛 🙂.

In any other case, I don't see any reason why a person with a disability should be granted more rights than I have. They might get certain benefits, but let's not confuse those with actual rights.

I have no desire to live in a society where a retiree or anyone else is allowed to do something that I am prohibited from doing.😳
Kevin Baker23 Kevin Baker23 Newcomer
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#66 ·
Dosljak said:Who on earth is conflating scientists?

Well, you clearly don't... though perhaps one day you might 😉

Dosljak said:It is a well-established fact that this particular field of human endeavor does not inherently reflect genius or inventiveness.

I find myself unable to agree with you there; while you may be partially correct regarding genius, as for inventiveness... well, that is where we diverge, and I fail to see how one could possibly group genius and inventiveness into the same category 😕

Dosljak said:Similarly, the skill of forgery is not the art of painting.

Regrettably... yet I concur, or at least, they represent entirely different forms of art. 😛
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#67 ·
me!i!i!i- said:Just like a century ago: Scientists 😛


What kind of "scientists" are we talking about?

Jews (a female nation that hates masculinity) are infiltrating science! And they're bringing their—demons!

That's why the world is becoming more and more corrupted!😲
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#68 ·
I.L. said:Jews (a people who just can't stand masculinity) are infiltrating science! And they’re bringing their little demons right along for the ride!


And just when you think there's no way I.L. could sink any lower...
you realize deep down that Jews are just fundamentally different.

You see it right here on my screen, laid out in plain English:
that on Fridays, Jews actually hold "feminine gatherings."

Apparently, the average Jew just doesn't have much love for masculinity.
That's the truth he reads straight from the Torah every Friday.

MY BEST WISHES TO ALL THE HONORABLE JEWS!

SHABBAT SHALOM

As for you, Lukas, you've got a guaranteed seat waiting for you at the psych ward.

🙂
Matthew Doyle73 Matthew Doyle73 Active Member
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#69 ·
Rebecca Miller2 said:What kind of "scientists" are we even talking about?
Jews

Anyone with half a brain can become a scientist, and honestly, it’s despite being Jewish, not because of it.

Throughout history, Jews have consistently been leading scientists and doctors—you probably know this since you're constantly quoting their brilliant, if intense, writings. Genetics has played its part in everything else.

If you really think you're somehow superior to any Jew, why don't you go out there and prove it by becoming a scientist yourself?
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#70 ·
Matthew Doyle73 said:Smart people become scientists—not because they are Jewish, but despite being Jewish.

Jews have always been great scientists and doctors; you'd know that if you didn't just quote their intense, wise writings. Genetics did the rest.

Why don't you try being a scientist if you think you could do better than some Jews?


So, what am I then—a scientist? Oh, Matthew Doyle73?

What is all this I'm writing... these massive truths that you, or anyone else, can't even answer one out of ten of?

Since Jews are so brilliant, come on, step up and debate me publicly... but not here (too shallow!😁 ) but on bigger, more powerful media! Like 'CNN'! Let's discuss based on history, the Bible, the Talmud, the Kabbalah, and who the Jews actually are... because today's group has nothing to do with the biblical Jews... those from Palestine!

Besides, even the Encyclopedia Britannica wrote about the Khazar people!

And I recently saw an interesting book... right there in the bookstore!

Don't you know that, "distinguished" Matthew Doyle73?😛 😛

Just keep wagging your tail!🙂

Jews were never great scientists; they were just great deceivers hiding behind science! The better you tell fairy tales, the more useful you are to the Masons!

One example: Biblical Jews tracked lineage through the father!

And the Bible says a MAN BEGETS! Not a woman... because a woman is merely the vessel... for male will... a man creates life... because Jehovah gave him that power on earth... that's why he is the IMAGE OF GOD! Through the woman, he brings forth a child!

Yet today's Jews exalt women! And when the conversation turns to Abraham, they... praise Sara! But wasn't it Sara who was chosen... no, it was Abraham! And that's a hard truth for Jews to swallow!

Is that normal?

Why do today's Jews hate and deny the Old Testament, even though they hypocritically claim it when it suits them politically?

Come on, Matthew Doyle73, you're all over the place, in every single thread... surely you can handle this too, right?😛 🙂
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#71 ·
Nemruth Dag said:Just when you think there’s no way for Rebecca Miller2 to sink any lower...
you realize deep down that Jews are just inherently flawed.


Hey! Listen to the self-proclaimed Jewish "defense attorney" telling you how it is!

I don't see where I ever wrote that... or anyone else did, except for you...

Does that ring a bell?

It looks like you finally just stepped out of the psych ward...👎
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#72 ·
Nemruth Dag said:WISHING ALL HONEST JEWS

SHABBAT SHALOM

And Lukić, you're definitely getting a one-way ticket to the psych ward.


Wait, is Shabbat the only day Jews observe?😲
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#73 ·
Calling all "philosophers" out there! Let me know what you think. Is this the same thing?

I've been chatting with a few people lately... just looking for some clarity on definitions.

For example: the whole idea of women's "equality." Does "having rights" mean the exact same thing as "equality"? Based on how I see language and logic—it doesn't!

To clarify: do women have all the rights? They do!

But when certain groups—feminists and activists—use the term "equality," their constant political bickering makes it seem like they aren't actually talking about *that* kind of equality.

So, what are they actually after?

Are they seeking some kind of superiority under the guise of "equality"?

Hmm... put you guys on the spot, didn't I?
Thanks🙂


Just a reminder of what we're discussing here. Some people have avoided giving a straight answer!

The moderator certainly helped keep this thread high quality!
🙂
Matthew Doyle73 Matthew Doyle73 Active Member
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#74 ·
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Rebecca Miller2 said:So, what am I, if not a scientist? Oh, Matthew Doyle73?

Look, let's be clear: I'm speaking as a scientist here. Those conspiracy theories claiming nobody ever set foot on the moon? Those are the kind of fringe ideas you only see being peddled by self-proclaimed "experts" who wouldn't know a peer-reviewed study if it hit them in the face. 😉

What exactly am I even doing here... laying out these massive truths that neither you, nor any of you, can manage to answer even one out of ten?

That’s still a massive improvement over you ignoring ten out of my ten points. I’m picking this debate right back up where we left off, since you clearly didn't have the guts to follow through. Claiming you "don't have time for my questions" while simultaneously insisting you "won the argument" is a total contradiction—assuming, of course, you actually understand what that means.

If Jews are truly as brilliant as everyone claims, then by all means, let's have a public debate... just not here. It’s way too much effort!😁 We need to move this conversation beyond small forums and onto the major networks—think CNN or Fox News. We should be having deep, serious discussions based on history, the Bible, the Talmud, and the Kabbalah to really understand who the Jews are today. There is a massive disconnect between modern groups and the actual biblical Jews from Palestine.

Up until now, they’ve only been calling you out for that nightmare stage. I hope that tells you something.

Besides, even JBE wrote about the Khazar people!

Whatever. 🙂

I actually stumbled upon an interesting book at the bookstore the other day!

Hmm, I’ve been looking into some solid technical analysis myself, and honestly, it all ties directly back to everything we've been discussing here. 😛

Don't tell me you aren't aware of that, "distinguished" Matthew Doyle73? 😛

I have no idea how often you find yourself staring through the library windows. 🙄

Keep wagging that tail, buddy!🙂

🙂

Jews have never actually been great scientists; they’re just master deceivers hiding behind a scientific veneer. The better you spin those fairy tales, the more useful you become to the Masons.

To you, "always" just means "whenever I need a convenient excuse to quote them." You keep clinging to those saints who wrote all that nonsense about gay people like it’s gospel truth. It’s funny, really—I should have realized you were only interested in the "great deceivers" all along. I’ll be sure to remind you of that next time you try to pull some heavy-handed authority from the Old Testament.

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To give you an idea: Biblical Jews used to track their lineage through... I want it. !
Even the Bible says that a man fathers children! It’s not the woman who does the creating—she serves as the vessel for a man's will. A man is the one who brings life into being because Jehovah granted him that power here on Earth. He is made in God's image, and through the woman, he delivers his child.
Go ahead and quote those frauds who wrote it.
a) men giving birth
b) what if women just didn't have children?

Or better yet, try actually having a kid and then let me know if you managed to pull that off.

Even today, you see Jews elevating women above everything else! The moment a conversation shifts toward Abraham, they immediately start... praising Sara?! Look, it wasn't Sara who was chosen; it was Abraham! But for Jews, that’s just too much to swallow.

For crying out loud, they know their own book better than you do. Or maybe you think you're the one with all the answers now, especially after you started claiming the entire Bible is just packed with perverts because everyone was just as obsessed with it as you are. 😛

Is this even normal?

Look, let’s be real here—your theories are getting a bit out there. You keep bringing up God mentioning the bondage of sin, but you're twisting it to claim that being a sinner makes one a slave. If that’s how you plan to interpret the entire Bible, then honestly, I’d sooner take a Jew's word for it than listen to yours.

Why is it that modern Jews seem to reject the Old Testament, even though they hypocritically cling to it whenever it serves their political agenda?

Look, you’re doing the same thing again. You know exactly how this goes. Whenever I bring up Jesus saying "love your enemies," you immediately jump in to tell me that can't be right because it contradicts something written in the Old Testament. Or even better, when I mention his line about "letting him who is without sin cast the first stone," you hit me with this whole highly reasoned argument about how those were just Pharisaic setups and why we shouldn't take his words at face value.

Come on, Matthew Doyle73, you’re all over the place—showing up in every single thread around here. You can definitely handle this one, right?

Oh, sure, whatever you say. I honestly thought you’d just sit there through this whole thread, dodging my points and talking in circles, hoping my questions would get buried so deep that nobody would even notice them. Well, newsflash: I managed to pull our actual discussion back out of the gutter, so feel free to jump back in whenever you actually find the courage. Or, better yet, look right here—there’s plenty of substance for you to chew on. Try actually responding to something instead of hiding behind that tired old excuse of "I don't have time to reply, therefore I win." We aren't competing for some trophy here. 😛.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#75 ·
Rebecca Miller2 said:Wait, is the Sabbath—you know, SHABBAT—something only Jews observe?😲

Shalom, Lukić Shala!🙂
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#76 ·
wearyowl29 said:Shalom, Lukić Shala🙂


Shalom to you too!🙂
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#77 ·
Rebecca Miller2 said:Shalom to you too!🙂

Honestly, when Lukić Shala says # shalom #, it feels less like a greeting and more like...
reopening the wounds of the Holocaust.😁
Rebecca Miller2 Rebecca Miller2 Active MemberOP
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#78 ·
wearyowl29 said:Whenever you say # shalom # to Lukić Shala, it sounds like an attempt to revive
the Holocaust.😁


That's just your opinion!

You're entitled to your views, but you don't have the right to swing them around like a weapon on this forum, okay?

Americans have faced immense tragedies, yet they don't go around trying to settle scores by forcing their trauma onto other nations.

There's an attempt here to manufacture a twisted religion built on dark magic elements. So... just keep that to yourself!

In the end... that religion will expose its creators, causing every nation on earth to loathe and reject them even more.

Anyone can lie...

but everyone eventually pays the price.
shadowjackal88 shadowjackal88 Active Member
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#79 ·
Matthew Doyle73 says:
Trust me, you really don't want to look at the physical differences here. Because if we actually went by those metrics, every single woman would be running for office and every man would be stuck working in a coal mine.
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An expert says:

And just like that—boom—the government collapses. To hell with it!

_____________________

So where did it all go?
Sam Wood4 Sam Wood4 Newcomer
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#80 ·
rambi said:me!i!i!i- says:
Believe me, you don't want to look at the physical differences. If we did, every woman would be in Washington and every man would be working in a coal mine.
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Sam Wood4 says:

And just like that, the country goes to hell!

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Where is it now?


Just take a look at your REAL homeland, where it is...> Israel, bloody Israel!

Everything is perfectly clear!!

It’s there, where women join the military and men have become mere hollow shells. It's there, where "feminine influence" is held up as the highest value... 😁
...there, where black magic politics reigns supreme, and where the primary enemy of mankind resides...

A nation devoid of masculinity, a nation of idolaters and false religion!

Rebels against God, outcasts, thugs, "bankers," hypocrites, thieves, and liars... to put it bluntly > THE MOST GREEDY PLUNDERERS OF MATERIAL WEALTH BELONGING TO OTHER NATIONS !!

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