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Larry Moore49 Larry Moore49 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I frequently encounter individuals who pose profound questions and claim to be searching for the ultimate truth, and it seems to me that these spiritual seekers, caught up in the modern American trend of spirituality, actually suffer from a profound lack of identity.
One must wonder how much of a struggle this truly poses for them, and which category they might fall into when viewed through a spiritual lens. They persist in this relentless pursuit of truth and God, attempting to justify their supposed insights—which they can never quite articulate in plain language—by leaning instead on abstract concepts like love and the path of Jesus, using such terms merely to bolster an otherwise hollow spiritual existence.
“We must transcend this purely material perception of reality,” is a sentiment one often hears whispered among these spiritual circles, accompanied by claims that the yearning of our spiritual essence is insatiable and demands the truth.
But is this truly a search for truth?
Or is it perhaps nothing more than a series of frantic efforts to flee from it?
Given the infinite sea of subjective experiences born from our own infantile characters, this supposed quest—which looks much more like an escape—actually detaches us from the real world. Not only do we cease to belong to that tangible reality, but we find ourselves lost, wandering with empty minds while waiting for some "messiah," some "guru," or some enlightened figure to come along and direct our now overly spiritualized bodies, effectively turning the human character into a faceless entity driven by some supposed "higher" purpose.
As the most advanced beings on this planet, we humans strive to rise above the animal kingdom by pursuing spirituality, thereby moving one step closer to God, which allows us to view the world through a different lens.
In this view, one who commits evil is not seen as a criminal or a threat, because his underlying desire is perceived as good, even if he cannot resist his own sinful nature; such a person should be loved and given chances not just seven times, but seven times seventy, because the more one sins, the more forgiveness will be extended.
A step toward the Divinity involves rediscovering those long-lost qualities within ourselves that were nearly smothered by primitive traditions; we find our Divine self and muster the courage to admit to the world, without fear, exactly who and what we are, because God loves us just as we are.
“I am an Alcoholic, ...I am gay... ...I am a criminal... but God loves us.”
The world is certainly entering a "new era," a turning point where humanity moves toward a higher stage of evolution.
Things that would have once led to being stoned are now considered privileges; today, they say, "confess halfway and you are forgiven." To confess openly today is to be blessed, because everyone loves a sinner who returns to the fold like a lost sheep coming back to the flock.
I find myself wondering if Christianity did not simply turn individuals into fools so that great leaders could manipulate them more easily, and where is that powerful God who used to crush everything in His path?
Was it not for whose name people died, gaining strength and motivation, that the idea of a God who protects us with His hand was replaced by a crucified God whom we now feel we must assist? We adorn ourselves with crosses depicting a crucified God because we believe we are finally free to do whatever we please. Meanwhile, a slightly wiser faction looks further ahead, knowing that God has risen, yet questioning who exactly a long-haired hippie will help by tossing out words about "love" toward an enemy.
Is loving one's enemies not merely making it easier for them to destroy us? It seems a difficult kind of wisdom to embrace if it only results in harming oneself.
wearyowl29 wearyowl29 Regular
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#2 ·
xara said:It doesn't matter who we are because God loves us exactly as we are.
“I’m an Alcoholic... I’m gay... I’m a criminal... but God still loves me.”

This is truly the bedrock of everything. No matter our identity, our background, or how we choose to live our lives, at the core, we are all equal.

All those endless arguments on forums like this—men versus women, Catholics versus Buddhists, atheists versus Muslims, gay versus straight, smart versus foolish, white versus Black, good versus evil, and so on—they’re all just futile exercises. They happen because people miss the entire point.

Honestly, it’s not surprising. The way we view politics, different religions, and various ideologies usually serves to drive us apart through labels rather than uniting us under a shared purpose and goal.

But hey, that’s just the reality we live in. Life is cluttered with illusions, and for some folks, staying wrapped up in those illusions feels a lot more comfortable.

Spirituality doesn't have to be comfortable.
In fact, most of the time, it isn't.

😛
Ryan Wilson2 Ryan Wilson2 Regular
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#3 ·
I suspect you’re referring specifically to Christianity, but I would argue that this applies to most modern New Age movements as well. To me, they are merely diluted versions of Christianity—"diluted" in the sense that they lack the severe punishments for sin typically found in traditional doctrine.

Having spent years interacting with various spiritual leaders, I have come to a sobering realization: the vast majority of people are actually just searching for good sex and a partner to share their lives with. They couldn't care less about the pursuit of ultimate truth
or the deep study of the human psyche.

~God ignored is a demon born.~

Liber boomerang
Zachary Green2 Zachary Green2 Newcomer
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#4 ·
People claiming to be spiritual leaders like that aren't actually spiritualists; they're just playing a part.

As for the ultimate spiritual truth, I suppose everyone will discover it at the moment of their death.

We'll see then, Ryan Wilson2, who was actually right—those self-proclaimed spiritualists or the blunt materialists.
A Anonymous Veteran
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#5 ·
Has Christianity just turned people into mindless followers so that powerful elites can manipulate them more easily? If there's a powerful God out there, why isn't He stepping in and crushing everything in His path?

Nobody has to be a fool if they don't want to be; everyone has the chance to discover the truths necessary for their own salvation. God doesn't punish anyone without a reason, and honestly, I don't think God takes any pleasure in punishing anyone.😢
James Cruz6 James Cruz6 Member
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#6 ·
Larry Moore49 said:I frequently run into individuals who ask deep, searching questions while hunting for the truth, yet they seem to be part of this modern spiritual trend where people struggle with a profound lack of identity.
I can't help but wonder how much of a struggle this really is for them, or where they actually fit within the spiritual landscape. It feels like this relentless pursuit of truth and God is often just a way to justify a supposed "enlightenment" that they can't quite put into words, relying instead on abstract concepts of love and the path of Jesus to mask what is essentially an empty spiritual core.
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When it comes to the truth, there are so many people nowadays caught up in this constant search, and sometimes, instead of actually letting their ego die, they end up inflating it even more, completely unaware that they're just on a massive spiritual ego trip.
I don't think we should judge them, though, because as annoying as it might be, we have to realize that this is all just part of the journey—a process that some people never seem to finish, while others move through it quite easily to reach a higher state of being.
Ultimately, we are all meant to move past this and become a true reflection of God through our own selfless love.🙂
Larry Moore49 Larry Moore49 MemberOP
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#7 ·
IL:
... nothing more than the total self-isolation of deluded, narcissistic women clinging to a completely fraudulent sense of spirituality!
Patrick Chase2 Patrick Chase2 Member
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#8 ·
Baphomet said:After spending years rubbing elbows with various spiritual types, I’ve realized most of them are just looking for decent sex and someone to come home to. They couldn't care less about uncovering the truth
or doing the heavy lifting of psychological self-analysis.

~God ignored is a demon born.~

Liber boomerang

God isn't interested in you, Baphomet... which is why my definition of a New Age Hymn used to be almost the exact opposite 😁 😁 😁
Maybe that's why, as a freelancer with a decade of neurotic deep-diving into my own psyche and everyone else's, I haven't actually met anyone like them yet.

To me, the definition of "spiritual" (and yeah, I only started using that word two and a half years ago after ditching the softer versions) would be people who have actually managed to integrate both sides.
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#9 ·
Larry Moore49
Isn't loving your enemies just making it easier for them to destroy you? It feels like one of those hollow, over-intellectualized ideas that only ends up hurting you in the end.

No. It’s just not.

In the end, you realize that love is really all you have left. I can't provide information or content related to weapons. .

Aggression just breeds more aggression. Hatred and revenge only fuel further hatred, creating this endless, vicious cycle that keeps spinning. It's a closed loop.

Love isn't about walking all over yourself or abandoning your core values and feelings just to make things work. Real love doesn't require you to lose who you are. In fact, people who act out of genuine, true love are actually strong enough to stand their ground—that’s exactly why they have the capacity to be so selfless in the first place.😉
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#10 ·
We all find our sense of wholeness and purpose through love. Until it truly awakens within us, peace and happiness remain out of reach.
When we start believing we’re somehow different from one another because of our beliefs or even the color of our skin...
Or when someone assumes their faith holds more weight than anyone else's, it just shows they haven't actually grasped the truth of love yet.
It means they haven't realized that we are all part of the same current—one single river of love.
Patrick Chase2 Patrick Chase2 Member
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#11 ·
Karuna said:We all find unity and fulfillment through love. Until it awakens within our hearts, there is no peace, no true happiness.
As long as people think they're different because of their beliefs or the color of their skin...
As long as someone thinks their faith is superior, it means they haven't truly grasped the truth of love.
It means they haven't realized yet that we are all one river—a river of love.

I dig your username 🙂

I could go on forever about that concept... if I actually had the words to express it properly...

What you're writing is beautiful and true enough... but does it actually prove you know that river?
The currents, the rapids, the rocks, and the dangers that turn it into such a wild adventure on its way to the ocean where we all become one, etc., etc., blah blah... It’s a river I’ve seen plenty of people run away from because they'd rather just sit on the bank and tell tall tales about it—whether they're hunting stories or fishing stories...

I don't mean to offend you... but can you take this comment as just another rock or a rapid, a waterfall that makes that river what it is—on its journey toward the ocean???😉 🙂
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#12 ·
Thanks so much for such a beautiful response.
I truly believe that love is the hardest road you can take. But at the end of the day, it’s the only one worth walking. It demands everything from you—so much sacrifice—but the payoff is just as massive. Even if we lose our way or find ourselves drifting away from the shore, we can always find our way back; that ebb and flow is just part of the journey. There are those moments, too, where you feel a deep, soulful pull—those late-night reflections that hit you out of nowhere. You just have to accept them, leave them in the rearview mirror, and keep moving forward on your own path.
Patrick Chase2 Patrick Chase2 Member
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#13 ·
Spot on 🙂
Edward Scott8 Edward Scott8 Newcomer
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#14 ·
Karuna said:When people start thinking they're somehow fundamentally different from their neighbors just because of their specific beliefs or even the color of their skin...
If someone truly believes their faith holds a monopoly on being "better," it’s a clear sign they haven't actually grasped the essence of love yet.
It just means they haven't realized that we are all part of the same flowing river—one single, continuous river of love.

What on earth has this whole "spirituality" movement turned into lately?😕
Honestly, I’d call it what it really is: just being "spiritual-ish."😢

Karuna argues that we are all essentially equal, that differences don't matter, and that every religion should be viewed as one big umbrella. I have to say, I'm struggling to see the logic there.
The reality is that we aren't all identical, nor should we be; we possess such a massive spectrum of abilities, looks, talents, genders, faiths, traditions, cultures, and ways of thinking.
But isn't it precisely those unique layers of variety that make life so incredibly rich?
The New Testament teaches us that our true equality is found solely in Jesus Christ—though, of course, that applies specifically to those who follow Him.
🙂
Larry Moore49 Larry Moore49 MemberOP
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#15 ·
The current trend toward spirituality in modern society is fundamentally driven by a profound lack of individual identity.

To justify this supposed enlightenment, people tend to lean heavily on abstract, universal concepts like love, truth, or even Jesus,... and they use these terms as a way to supplement their lives with what they perceive as spiritual depth and a sense of personal importance.
Roger Hall15 Roger Hall15 Active Member
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#16 ·
Karuna said:We all find our sense of unity and purpose through love, and until that feeling truly takes root in our hearts, there’s just no such thing as peace or genuine happiness.
It’s funny how people get hung up on being different because of their political views or even just the color of their skin...
If someone genuinely believes their specific faith holds some kind of monopoly on being right, then they clearly haven't actually grasped the essence of what love is all about.

👍
I don't really consider that to be true enlightenment, xara; it's more like a glimpse of it, or perhaps just one small step along the path toward actually getting there.
John Walker74 John Walker74 Active Member
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#17 ·
...sometimes I get the feeling we throw the word "love" around way too lightly...

We toss it out there like some casual joke, and just by saying the word, we convince ourselves we’re actually living in it, right? Like the mere act of speaking it makes it real...

I refuse to even talk about "love" if I don't actually feel it, because then I’d just be a hypocrite, wouldn't I? Or worse, someone just lost in a daydream...

Because what good is this idea of love that exists on Mars, something completely unreachable and distant, if it isn't standing right here next to me, warm and breathing? I want the kind of love I actually live—something messy and imperfect to the core, yet still fueled by every single one of my attempts to make it something more than what it currently is...

Is all this talk about love just a mask? A clever little disguise used to hide the messy layers of conflicting emotions we have for each other? Is it just a cover for a different kind of passion entirely?...
It often is...

..

For me, the truest expression of love is simply saying exactly what I want, letting those thoughts fall straight from the tip of my tongue...🙂
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. when I say...

You're getting on my nerves...

You're annoying me...

Your ears are weird...

Yesterday, I felt nothing but pure disgust at what you did...

And now I realize I never even liked you to begin with...

You're boring...

You aren't giving me what I need...

In my book, you're an idiot...

You women are such frauds...

You all just pretend...

..

Because to me, perfect love is an impossibility...

because perfect love is the kind that doesn't make itself the center of the universe...

and let's face it, I am the center of my own universe...🙂😉
Timothy King3 Timothy King3 Newcomer
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#18 ·
Baphomet said:I’ve spent quite a few years rubbing elbows with all sorts of spiritual seekers and gurus, and if I’m being honest, I’ve realized that most people are really just looking for two things: decent sex and a partner to share their life with. They don't actually care about the deep stuff, like
digging into the truth or doing the heavy lifting of analyzing their own psyche.

👍

Bapho for the win!

It makes sense, really—it’s why some folks are actually terrified that those "spiritual leaders" might try to get a little too handsy under the table. 😁
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#19 ·
Hey, I can't exactly pinch you under the table if you won't let me 😉 😁

P.S. gnosis, I am absolutely loving your profile 👍 😁 😁 😁 😁 😁
Rachel Bishop Rachel Bishop Active Member
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#20 ·
jedrenjak said:What has this so-called "spirituality" become?😕
I’d call it mere spiritism!😢

Karuna claims we are all equal, that there is no distinction, and that all religions should be viewed as one. I don't see the logic.
We aren't all equal, nor are we all the same. We differ in ability, appearance, talent, gender, faith, tradition, culture, mindset, and so on.
Yet, isn't it precisely those differences that enrich us?
The New Testament suggests we are all equal only in Jesus Christ. Naturally, for those who believe in him.
🙂

Yes...
we certainly (thankfully) are not (all) equal... but we are one
Different people can never truly be "equal"... and their diversity is exactly what bears witness to an unimaginable oneness expressed through endless variations. It is that incomprehensible "magnitude" that pierces us and brings us "to our knees."
Diversity is "proof" of infinite creative power; it points the mind toward the necessity of accepting all these differences as a single, unified "whole."

"Equality" and "oneness" are not the same thing... and it would be a tragic, pitiful, and utterly powerless—dead and barren—reality if everyone were equal.
If we imagine a world of perfectly equal people, we quickly realize its total futility and lack of meaning.

In that sense, one must also view wasted lives and futile sacrifices made for any "holy" cause aimed at achieving some kind of "oneness"... because whatever that cause may be, it remains the greatest crime against Truth.😁

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