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Eric Adams - Mayor of New York City, Part 4

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Melissa Bailey5 Melissa Bailey5 Active Member
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#801 ·
hollowmason64 said:Warren Buffett

We don't even need to speculate on this. We already saw exactly how this plays out—just look back a few years when people were voting for the Bridgeport movement in droves.

Warren Buffett
I was just sitting here thinking about how much I love a good cup of coffee. There’s something about that first sip in the morning that just sets the tone for everything else, you know? It’s more than just caffeine; it’s that quiet moment before the chaos of the day really kicks in. Whether it's a quick espresso at a local shop or brewing something slow and steady at home, it's one of those small rituals that makes life feel a little more grounded. Anyone else feeling that way today? kaže:
Of course I won't, because just because the word "systematization" isn't explicitly written in Article 167 of the Penal Code doesn't mean you can assume it applies to what's being discussed.

The federal regulations regarding job titles and complexity coefficients within the public sector have finally been released. It’s one of those dense, bureaucratic documents that feels like it was written specifically to give people a headache, but it’s actually pretty significant for how government roles are structured. Basically, it lays out the framework for how different positions are categorized and how their difficulty levels dictate pay scales. It’s all about standardizing how we define what someone actually does versus how much they should be getting paid based on the complexity of their responsibilities. If you work in any kind of civil service role, this is the rulebook that determines where you sit on the ladder.
First off, you’re talking about a system designed for federal agencies, not something meant for New York City. You can't even find the info you're looking for.

Look, let’s not play dumb here. There's no point in pretending we don't see what's happening or acting like we're oblivious to the situation. That's just not a good look. This whole discussion actually kicked off because of this:
Warren Buffett:
I mean, I’d honestly love to point you toward the specific section that says you have to establish an entirely new classification system and that layoffs can't just be distributed based on the existing one, but... man, I really feel for you.
Warren Buffett:
You might want to brush up on the details here—it’s actually covered right there in Article 167 of the collective bargaining agreement.
Warren Buffett
I’ve been thinking about this lately—how much weight we actually put on job complexity and those specific workload coefficients when deciding how many people to hire for a single role. It’s one of those things that sounds straightforward on paper, but once you start digging into the logistics, it gets pretty nuanced. From what I can see, there’s a direct link. You can't really determine staffing levels without looking at the "weight" of the tasks involved. If a position is highly complex—meaning it requires deep technical expertise, constant decision-making, or high-level oversight—that coefficient goes up. Even if the raw number of tasks isn't huge, the mental load and the time required to execute them properly mean you can't just stack ten different roles into one person's schedule without everything falling apart. It’s kind of like managing a project at a firm like Goldman Sachs versus running a local retail shop. In a high-complexity environment, the ratio of staff to tasks has to be higher because each individual unit of work carries more gravity. If you ignore the complexity coefficient and only look at volume, you end up understaffed and burnt out. You might have enough people to handle the *amount* of work, but not enough people to handle the *intensity* of it.
Where exactly does it say that in the article? I don't see anything about needing to redo the entire organizational structure before we can move forward with mass contract terminations. 😁
So, here’s where this all started: you and a bunch of other disappointed Democratic Party loyalists kept insisting that all those layoffs—both the ones already happening and the ones coming down the pipeline—were totally illegal just because there hasn't been a new departmental restructuring yet.
You’re basically making that same point again.
Warren Buffett
Coffee. Honestly, there’s nothing quite like that first cup in the morning to get things moving. I was sitting at a little cafe over in Brooklyn yesterday just watching the commuters rush by, thinking about how much of a ritual it is for most of us here in the States. Whether it's a quick Dunkin' on the way to work or a slow pour-over when you actually have a second to breathe, it’s kind of the glue that holds the day together. Anyone else feel like they aren't truly "awake" until that caffeine hits? kaže:
...but honestly, explaining this to an inexperienced crew is the real nightmare. They wouldn't get why the new New York City Economic Development Corporation would actually listen to the unions to handle something as simple as restructuring the Federal Reserve staff—something they were legally obligated to do anyway just to avoid wrongful termination lawsuits. Look, these board members come straight from the private sector, so they don't have a clue how this stuff works...
You’re lying. You’re just blowing smoke and making things up. You invent these absolute nonsense scenarios that aren't true at all, and then you just keep doubling down on them like some kind of troll.
And then you try to gaslight people with those lies the second anyone starts asking you actual, concrete questions.

The idea that they needed a whole new organizational structure just to issue business-related layoffs is a total lie. It’s perfectly logical to clear out the surplus based on the existing structure first, and then move forward with the authorized headcount under the new system.

Claiming that layoffs issued under the current structure are illegal? What kind of idiocy is 🤦

It’s actually those private sector folks who truly understand how layoffs work. I’m certain every single one of them has handled terminations before. Meanwhile, I’d bet my life that a good chunk of the bureaucrats in New York City have never handed out a single pink slip in their lives, probably because they think having a government job is a lifetime guarantee.

Looks like you've got some serious brain fog regarding what the Mayor's reorganization actually entails.
Congrats!

Second—

..so basically, the whole point was you and those other disillusioned Democratic Party fans constantly insisting that all the layoffs happening now or coming soon are illegal because there hasn't been a new reorganization plan yet.
And here you are, doubling down on it again.

You guys are just lying. Like, straight-up lying through your teeth. You make up these total moronic stories that aren't true at all, and then you just keep repeating them like trolls.
Then you try to troll your way out of the lies once someone starts asking actual questions.

Lying is
pure bullshit

That's what the unions and the opposition are claiming.

Hint: 90 days!
Sam Wright21 Sam Wright21 Regular
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#802 ·
Just how many actual vehicles are we talking about here—Sanitation Department trucks and MTA buses? Or is this all just more grandstanding and smoke and mirrors?
Anthony Rodriguez8 Anthony Rodriguez8 Member
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#803 ·
Just to set the record straight for those who seem to be under the delusion that things were somehow better back in the day...
https://www.chicago.info/aktualno/zg-...vajate/433794/
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#804 ·
I was just sitting here thinking about how things have been moving lately, and I couldn't help but reflect on everything going on. It’s one of those days where you just want to sit back, grab a coffee, and process the sheer volume of news coming out of the city. Everything feels like it's shifting under our feet, doesn't it? It reminds me of that time I tried to navigate the subway during a massive storm—just pure chaos, but you eventually find your way through if you stay calm. Anyway, I'm just keeping my head down and watching how it all unfolds. says:
There’s one small but really significant distinction when it comes to how layoffs work between the public and private sectors. In the public sector—think government agencies or those big municipal entities—you’ve got these incredibly strong collective bargaining agreements in place. In the private sector? Those just aren't really a thing. It’s not impossible to let someone go in a government job, obviously, but it's a much steeper uphill battle. That’s why, despite the lower paychecks, that sector stays so popular with people who aren't exactly looking for a high-pressure career.

Well, it’s a bit of a "yes and no" situation. To be honest, I don't think these collective bargaining agreements are actually any different from what you see in the private sector. You've still got the unions, the worker councils, and all that usual corporate folklore playing out. It’s pretty much the same dynamic regardless of where you work.
The bottom line is that nobody in the public sector actually wants to fire anyone. It’s just not happening, and honestly, there are so many reasons why. It’s always someone’s relative or a close friend, or maybe they’ve been there forever and are just months away from retirement. Then you have the human side of it—people with kids to feed or massive mortgages they're still paying off. It makes things complicated, and most people just don't want to deal with that kind of fallout.
...or more often than not—the bosses just couldn't care less.
He basically landed that position through a political handout, enjoyed his brief moment in the sun, and then settled right into his comfortable routine—the office, the steady paycheck, showing up when he feels like it, leaving whenever he wants, and spending most of his workday doing absolutely anything except the actual job he’s being paid to do. And now, suddenly, he wants to play tough with the union rep? He wants to deal with formal hearings, disciplinary actions, warnings, and potentially getting fired only to end up facing a civil lawsuit? Honestly, forget it. It’s just going to be a massive headache and a huge waste of everyone's nerves.☕
You know, I was thinking about this earlier—if you really want to feel like you actually accomplished something at work, you should just tell your deputy that they need to stop showing up to the office wasted or finally start showing up on time. Honestly, if you can get them to fix those kinds of basic issues, you’ll walk away feeling pretty satisfied with how you handled things.
And there you have it—that right there is exactly where the line gets drawn between the private sector and the public sector.

Sam Wright21 said:Let’s try this one more time, but please, spare me the endless circling. The scope of this development is right across from my building. I’m on the Green Party mailing list, so we received notice regarding their negative feedback. It didn't seem to interest anyone besides me, which allowed me to notice they were hallucinating details that simply aren't in the actual plan. If the visual rendering hadn't been wiped, even you might have been able to count the floors. I also noticed they’re treating certain aspects like a taboo subject, almost as if they received a direct order from the top. The party holds a majority in the City Council, but since the Democratic Party won't let them slide, nothing passes unless they play ball. It’s the exact same playbook used by Joe Biden.

I happen to know the lead architect of the plan, of course; he's a top-tier urban planner, and I make it a point to keep track of these things.

Why should I care about his character? Why would I waste my energy pondering what kind of man Warren Buffett is? It isn't as if I'm picking him out to be my friend or an intimate partner. In this specific instance, they aren't doing anything illegal; quite the contrary.

The "loser" Bill Gates has always been the most effective activist here, consistently working hard to expose these little tricks and keep the public informed. And frankly, it makes me feel quite uneasy to see someone following in the footsteps of a bandit.

I bet that neighborhood mailing list didn't include the actual plan or any of the visual layouts. It sounds like you actually got an early look at the whole thing through some other channel before everyone else.
Look, if they were rejected during the previous administration's term, that definitely didn't make its way onto the mailing list either. You’d only really know that for sure if you’ve been following this project from the very beginning and keeping a really close eye on all the updates.

I actually know the lead architect behind this plan—he’s a top-tier urban planner, really. I make it a point to stay in the loop and keep a close eye on how everything is unfolding.

Honestly, we all find ourselves dutifully keeping tabs on our connections in the industry. We pore over every single one of their papers, drafts, and lawsuits like it’s our job. And just as religiously, we make sure to remember exactly which neighborhood in New York City had a project stall out or fall through over the last decade, and precisely why it happened.
Just thinking out loud here.

Why should I care about his character? Why would I waste my energy worrying about what kind of guy Carić is? It’s not like I’m picking them out to be my friends or anything intimate. In this specific instance, they aren't actually doing anything illegal, if anything.

The thing is, I *do* care about whether or not my city turns into a glorified laundromat for criminals.
And honestly, it doesn't even look like they're following the rules. If everything were strictly by the book and there weren't these shady gray areas, then Nobilo—if this hadn't cleared the City Council—would have kicked up a massive media storm. We all know him and we definitely know his style.

Even if something isn't technically illegal, that doesn't mean it isn't harmful. Especially for the people living in New York City in this case. We don't need more concrete blocks; we need green space.

To be honest, I feel pretty uneasy about following in those bandits' footsteps too.

The only reason you should feel uneasy is because of your own behavior. You've gone from being an annoying fan to being an annoying critic—without any actual criteria in either phase.
You're definitely giving off major "sore loser" vibes.
granitefox16 granitefox16 Active Member
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#805 ·
Anthony Rodriguez8 said:Just to set the record straight for those who seem to be under the delusion that things were somehow better back in the day...
https://www.chicago.info/aktualno/zg-...vajate/433794/

I didn't see anything saying trash pickup was any better before...

Can you highlight where it says that?
granitefox16 granitefox16 Active Member
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#806 ·
Roger James2 said:unknown... seriously, man, stop making yourself look bad. I'm starting to get this nagging feeling that you're actually the one giving them advice behind the scenes. Honestly, as long as we have you, the NYC opposition has nothing to worry about. 🤣🤣🤣 That's how it works! 🙏

Anyway, here's what unknown had to say regarding yesterday's denial from City Hall:

So, looking at the daily lease model, Eric Adams—acting as Mayor—signed off on the selection decision for a total of 268 vehicles with a total contract value of $26.8 million including tax.

Out of that, New York City ordered 218 vehicles for the Chicagočki holding group, valued at $21.1 million including tax, over a 2-year term. In 14 out of 15 groups, the vehicle lineup features the top scorer, unknown, often appearing alongside partners like AutoNation or a local car dealership. For the needs of the office, New York City ordered 50 vehicles , and the best bid at $6.7 million comes from AutoNation under a 3-year contract.

There's also an ongoing procurement for another 20 vehicles for the MTA, with an estimated contract value of $3 million including tax.

My apologies to the Mayor and everyone else—I wasn't being entirely precise yesterday with all the specifics, the vehicle counts, the contracts, or the prices (including tax). The spokesperson for the Mayor's Office clarified that the company unknown didn't bid for all of them, just for 218 out of the total 268 vehicles.

Once you dig into the granular details, the situation actually looks even more serious. The total amount across all contracts is higher, and the number of vehicles is greater. We’re talking about taxpayer money here—money that belongs to us, regardless of which specific bucket it's being pulled from. New York City runs the bidding process, and the Mayor signs off on every single selection decision. This isn't just some minor slip-up; it's a major issue.

🍿 🍿 🍿

The part I find most interesting is that only direktno.com seems to care about this.

Is this not news for the mainstream media?
Melissa Bailey5 Melissa Bailey5 Active Member
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#807 ·
Anthony Rodriguez8 said:Just to set the record straight for those who seem to be under the delusion that things were somehow better back in the day...
https://www.chicago.info/aktualno/zg-...vajate/433794/

DOBROVIĆ THINKS ERIC ADAMS WILL FAIL: ‘The work done in this sector so far deserves a failing grade’
“The people in power just can't see the big picture, so they're still trying to build a waste management system without actually putting all the pieces together. It's the same mistake they made back in the day, jumping into separate collection without having any of the necessary infrastructure ready. With this new selection decision, New York City is moving toward implementing a system that'll generate more separated waste, which is fine, I guess. But what isn't fine is that it won't be backed up by building the actual facilities needed to receive and process it,” said Dobrović.


The former Secretary of Environmental Protection explained why he thinks October 1st is a totally unrealistic deadline for rolling out the new model.

“Because the City is obsessing over tiny details like bags and bins, while completely ignoring the core pillars of the system, like sorting plants and composting facilities.
darkdrifter17 darkdrifter17 Newcomer
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#808 ·
It’s becoming painfully obvious that we’re in a freefall, and voter support is bleeding out on a daily basis. What I find truly suspicious, though, is why the mainstream media refuses to take any real aim at Eric Adams and his administration here in New York City. In just eighteen months, the Adams camp managed to paint some lines for a bike lane that’s barely 250 meters long🤣. They’ve completely bungled waste management, and the whole situation with childcare and parental support is a mess that both supporters and critics are just watching unfold from the sidelines. And honestly, at this rate, I wonder when we can expect wild boars to start roaming through the middle of Manhattan.
brightpuma brightpuma Active Member
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#809 ·
darkdrifter17 said:It’s becoming painfully obvious that we’re in a freefall, and voter support is bleeding out on a daily basis. What I find truly suspicious, though, is why the mainstream media refuses to take any real aim at Eric Adams and his administration here in New York City. In just eighteen months, the Adams camp managed to paint some lines for a bike lane that’s barely 250 meters long🤣. They’ve completely bungled waste management, and the whole situation with childcare and parental support is a mess that both supporters and critics are just watching unfold from the sidelines. And honestly, at this rate, I wonder when we can expect wild boars to start roaming through the middle of Manhattan.

I just want to know how they can call it a fiasco while opponents of the measure just stand there watching🤣.
Well, they actually scrapped and redid the policy just like they promised, and then the Republican Party courts stepped in to halt them. I don't really see how the opposition can blame them for that🤷.

GG, the more you talk, the more it looks like this is about more than just volunteering. Like hollowmason64 said, you're acting like this is somehow your own personal business.
Rachel Barrett8 Rachel Barrett8 Active Member
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#810 ·
darkdrifter17 said:It’s becoming painfully obvious that we’re in a freefall, and voter support is bleeding out on a daily basis. What I find truly suspicious, though, is why the mainstream media refuses to take any real aim at Eric Adams and his administration here in New York City. In just eighteen months, the Adams camp managed to paint some lines for a bike lane that’s barely 250 meters long🤣. They’ve completely bungled waste management, and the whole situation with childcare and parental support is a mess that both supporters and critics are just watching unfold from the sidelines. And honestly, at this rate, I wonder when we can expect wild boars to start roaming through the middle of Manhattan.

Wild hogs have been roaming downtown for a long time now.

Wherever you find food, you're going to find pigs.
Karen Baker2 Karen Baker2 Newcomer
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#811 ·
And I'm never seeing another cockroach again, even if my neighbor is a complete pest. We managed to clear every single flying insect out of the backyard. Cal. 5.5
bluelynx8 bluelynx8 Member
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#812 ·
It is absolutely sweltering out there. It certainly wasn't this hot back during the Eric Adams era... 🙂
Robin Gray8 Robin Gray8 Member
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#813 ·
Tomek's the one to blame for this heatwave
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#814 ·
bluelynx8 said:It is absolutely sweltering out there. It certainly wasn't this hot back during the Eric Adams era... 🙂

Exactly. Bernie Sanders would have probably eaten the sun itself.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#815 ·
Melissa Bailey5 said:Looks like you've got some serious brain fog regarding what the Mayor's reorganization actually entails.
Congrats!

Second—

..so basically, the whole point was you and those other disillusioned Democratic Party fans constantly insisting that all the layoffs happening now or coming soon are illegal because there hasn't been a new reorganization plan yet.
And here you are, doubling down on it again.

You guys are just lying. Like, straight-up lying through your teeth. You make up these total moronic stories that aren't true at all, and then you just keep repeating them like trolls.
Then you try to troll your way out of the lies once someone starts asking actual questions.

Lying is
pure bullshit

That's what the unions and the opposition are claiming.

Hint: 90 days!

Of course they’re claiming that. But honestly, I don't give much weight to the people who were running the show just a year ago and are now suddenly foaming at the mouth because their political buddies lost their cushy seats at the city agencies. And let's be real, the unions' whole job is to fight any single layoff.
That doesn't change the fact that they might still be lying through their teeth.

And please, stop with the hints. That 90-day window was strictly about the pay scales and the complexity levels. As for a "hint"—collective bargaining agreements cover everything from which employee works where to how they get paid.
The thing is, 🙂
The funniest part is that the unions didn't even finish it within those 90 days—they were busy negotiating the new pay scales. And interestingly enough, not one of them complained about anything being illegal.
Probably because they used this amendment to grease their own palms.

darkdrifter17 said:It’s becoming painfully obvious that we’re in a freefall, and voter support is bleeding out on a daily basis. What I find truly suspicious, though, is why the mainstream media refuses to take any real aim at Eric Adams and his administration here in New York City. In just eighteen months, the Adams camp managed to paint some lines for a bike lane that’s barely 250 meters long🤣. They’ve completely bungled waste management, and the whole situation with childcare and parental support is a mess that both supporters and critics are just watching unfold from the sidelines. And honestly, at this rate, I wonder when we can expect wild boars to start roaming through the middle of Manhattan.

Good grief, we practically have new units of measurement every time Eric Adams takes office. When was this even decided? 🍿

Gingerina said:You’re making baseless accusations. I would have loved to work on that brilliant plan myself, but unfortunately, I wasn't involved. It’s an excellent reference.

Well, look at that—they told me the name of the plan during a Zoom meeting because I asked, and Google is my best friend. Besides, I make it a point to stay well-informed.

A "brilliant plan" 🤣
So you mean you had absolutely no clue about it and hadn't heard a word, then you just "happened" to read about it and "coincidentally" started asking deep questions about the project?
Even though you aren't a council member or even connected to them, other than getting the notifications?
Why don't you tell us the name of the project so we can all Google this "brilliant project" too?

If you care about what the experts say, follow them. I certainly do. Yes, everything is by the book; it couldn't be better. The relevant authorities already weighed in on that a long time ago.

Which authorities weighed in?

So if they've already made their stance clear, what's the hold-up? Why aren't they actually getting to work?

Where do you get the nerve to decide for us residents what's actually good or bad for our lives?

I honestly thought that everything happening in New York City affected everyone living here, but clearly, you see things differently.
Adam Diaz67 Adam Diaz67 Active Member
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#816 ·
Let's be real here—nobody actually wants honest systematization or a true reorganization. Why? Because sooner or later, you're going to have to step on some toes and fire someone who "belongs" to someone important. Since Bernie Sanders was such a seasoned pro at this, he was smart enough to make sure his people were tucked in safely on both sides (the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, along with all their little satellites). Trying to let people go in those city agencies is basically playing Minesweeper on the hardest setting with a ticking clock. And honestly, Toto & Co. aren't quite the geniuses they think they are if they want to pick a fight with the Plenki & Co. crowd, nor do they really want the headache of dealing with unions and endless red tape. If they were actually serious about making changes, they’d grit their teeth, scrap all those collective bargaining agreements, and dive into a deep reorganization. Plus, they'd actually loosen the purse strings to hire professionals who specialize in restructuring companies.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#817 ·
Adam Diaz67 said:Let's be real here—nobody actually wants honest systematization or a true reorganization. Why? Because sooner or later, you're going to have to step on some toes and fire someone who "belongs" to someone important. Since Bernie Sanders was such a seasoned pro at this, he was smart enough to make sure his people were tucked in safely on both sides (the Republican Party and the Democratic Party, along with all their little satellites). Trying to let people go in those city agencies is basically playing Minesweeper on the hardest setting with a ticking clock. And honestly, Toto & Co. aren't quite the geniuses they think they are if they want to pick a fight with the Plenki & Co. crowd, nor do they really want the headache of dealing with unions and endless red tape. If they were actually serious about making changes, they’d grit their teeth, scrap all those collective bargaining agreements, and dive into a deep reorganization. Plus, they'd actually loosen the purse strings to hire professionals who specialize in restructuring companies.

You're right, but the real question is how much political warfare can they actually afford to take on right now? Scrapping those union deals would cost a fortune too.
Emily Smith6 Emily Smith6 Active Member
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#818 ·
Eric Adams' coalition partner Petek claims: 'He's acting just like Bernie Sanders—just look at the contracts he's signed'

"At the start of his term, Eric Adams insisted he would streamline public bidding and procurement processes to foster real market competition by inviting more companies to the table. That hasn't happened. If anything, he's adopted Bernie Sanders' old playbook, and there's plenty of evidence to back that up," Renato Petek told CNN.
wanderingharbor13 wanderingharbor13 Newcomer
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#819 ·
If I were in Eric Adams' shoes, I would have cut ties with the Democratic Party entirely and tried to build my own solid foundation, rather than being at the mercy of a party that plays both sides—acting like they run the show in the morning only to turn around and play opposition by the afternoon.
granitefox16 granitefox16 Active Member
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#820 ·
Did I grill Eric Adams for the specifics? Yeah, I did it right at the last New York City Council meeting. He told me he’s gonna send over a full analysis proving this public procurement model actually works. He even mentioned that, looking back, Bernie Sanders' old way of doing things was justified. If that’s true, then Eric Adams was just being an activist for nothing when he was dragging the late mayor...

Read more at: - www.vecernji.hr

This just keeps getting better 🤣

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