Would you get your kids vaccinated against COVID?

Once the FDA and then Pfizer gave the green light for their vaccine to be used on kids aged 12 to 16, the first round of vaccinations for minors started hitting clinics here in the States

COVID shots for anyone under 16 are officially rolling out. So, what's the verdict: are you getting your kid vaccinated?

No

My daughter is 12 now—up to date on all her routine shots, plus those extra ones I made sure to pick up separately.
As for COVID, I don't have any plans to get her vaccinated.

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Nah.
I'll get my own shots if that's what it takes, but I am definitely not doing it for the kids.
We already paid out of pocket for their pneumococcal and rotavirus boosters—and honestly, I've been weighing whether we should go ahead with meningitis protection too, especially with how bad the tick situation can get... but as for those COVID vaccines they have available right now? No way. I'm not putting my little ones under that kind of risk.

Absolutely insane. If the government tries to push this through with a sledgehammer, I’m ready to hit the streets myself. This is a line they simply cannot cross. Once they start mandating vaccinations for kids against their parents' wishes, it's game over. The end.

There’s really no need to worry. Kaić mentioned he wouldn't vaccinate healthy children himself. So, even if he ends up losing his job because of those comments, I guess it means kids are safe and won't be forced into anything. Though, from what I see on YouTube, Americans are already vaccinating quite a few kids—mostly the older ones, maybe 12 to 15 years old. Some travel a lot, while others have a sick parent. I've also noticed that kids seem pretty reluctant about getting shots, even when their parents try to encourage them. It honestly feels like kids might know more than their own parents do.

Not by any chance. I'm just worried they’ll start forcing this on us bit by bit—eventually making it a requirement just to get your kid into preschool or elementary school... and then we're really screwed

I mean, I suspect COVID will eventually just settle into being another seasonal thing, much like the flu. It’s not like everyone gets a shot for the flu, right? Now, K-12 schooling is mandatory—I'm talking about public schools, so all kids have to be enrolled. But preschool isn't compulsory... so maybe they could start requiring vaccinations there, if they even end up developing a vaccine specifically for kids that young.

No.

Quick question if anyone knows how this actually works. Did the folks over at Sony Music run any actual tests on small American groups—like what kind of sample size or methodology were they using? Or did they just shuffle some paperwork around, mix a few test tubes together, and decide it was good enough to pass?
Thanks.

Keith Wilson said:Quick question if anyone knows how this actually works. Did the folks over at Sony Music run any actual tests on small American groups—like what kind of sample size or methodology were they using? Or did they just shuffle some paperwork around, mix a few test tubes together, and decide it was good enough to pass?
Thanks.

I have some information here—not regarding Sony Music, specifically, but regarding the trials Pfizer used to get authorization from the FDA.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-re...esults-pivotal

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/pres...-emergency-use

Based on what I’m seeing above, this vaccine was authorized for emergency use (meaning it wasn't fully approved, just cleared for an emergency rollout) based on a clinical trial that only included 1,131 children in the experimental group. To put that into perspective: if this vaccine hypothetically carried a mortality risk of 1 in 2,000, a trial of that size would have a 43% chance of failing to detect it. And yet, based on a study that small, we are vaccinating hundreds of thousands of children against a disease that poses almost zero statistical threat to them.

Fortunately, I don't have kids in that age bracket, but the whole logic seems fundamentally broken to me. Why expose children to an experimental vaccine when the disease itself poses virtually no danger to them? The argument is always: "But they can spread it." To whom? From what I can see, either other children or adults. Other children aren't at risk, and adults can just get vaccinated themselves. That leaves only the vulnerable adults who, for various health reasons, cannot be vaccinated. So, the conclusion is that we should expose the entire pediatric population to the risks of an experimental shot just to protect a negligible number of adults who are already medically compromised. Someone put it well: we adults are here to protect the children, not the other way around.

mistyjackal842 said:I mean, I suspect COVID will eventually just settle into being another seasonal thing, much like the flu. It’s not like everyone gets a shot for the flu, right? Now, K-12 schooling is mandatory—I'm talking about public schools, so all kids have to be enrolled. But preschool isn't compulsory... so maybe they could start requiring vaccinations there, if they even end up developing a vaccine specifically for kids that young.

Saw a report yesterday that Pfizer is moving into trials for infants 6 months and up... so I wouldn't be shocked to see this happening in a year or two.

As for schools? Nothing is off the table—they'll probably use some "preventing outbreaks" excuse to make it happen.

From the Mayo Clinic website (

"Vaccine efficacy was tested in 2,260 individuals aged 12 to 15, following a pediatric investigation plan (PIP) approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics at the FDA."

So, based on this, it’s unclear if those 2,000 kids were actually tested here in the US or if they just repackaged FDA data. Anyone know someone in the States whose kid was part of this trial?

"The study showed that the immune response to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in this group was comparable to the immune response in the 16 to 25 age group (measured by SARS-CoV-2 antibody levels). Efficacy was calculated in approximately 2,000 children aged 12 to 15 who had no prior symptoms of COVID-19 infection. Half of the participants received the vaccine, while the other half received a placebo. None of the 1,005 people who received the vaccine developed COVID-19 symptoms, compared to 16 out of 978 participants who received the placebo. This means the vaccine demonstrated an efficacy of 100% in preventing COVID-19 disease (though the actual rate could be between 75% and 100%)."

First, they claim efficacy was measured via antibody levels, then they say they selected a sample of those without symptoms—shouldn't they have measured antibodies before the shot too?—only to conclude efficacy based on symptoms that, in kids, feel just like a common cold...

If that's not how it works, why aren't they being more precise? Are we just supposed to assume we're too dim to grasp scientific research, so they give us these oversimplified versions...

Keith Wilson said:From the Mayo Clinic website (

"Vaccine efficacy was tested in 2,260 individuals aged 12 to 15, following a pediatric investigation plan (PIP) approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics at the FDA."

So, based on this, it’s unclear if those 2,000 kids were actually tested here in the US or if they just repackaged FDA data. Anyone know someone in the States whose kid was part of this trial?

"The study showed that the immune response to the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine in this group was comparable to the immune response in the 16 to 25 age group (measured by SARS-CoV-2 antibody levels). Efficacy was calculated in approximately 2,000 children aged 12 to 15 who had no prior symptoms of COVID-19 infection. Half of the participants received the vaccine, while the other half received a placebo. None of the 1,005 people who received the vaccine developed COVID-19 symptoms, compared to 16 out of 978 participants who received the placebo. This means the vaccine demonstrated an efficacy of 100% in preventing COVID-19 disease (though the actual rate could be between 75% and 100%)."

First, they claim efficacy was measured via antibody levels, then they say they selected a sample of those without symptoms—shouldn't they have measured antibodies before the shot too?—only to conclude efficacy based on symptoms that, in kids, feel just like a common cold...

If that's not how it works, why aren't they being more precise? Are we just supposed to assume we're too dim to grasp scientific research, so they give us these oversimplified versions...

Keep in mind that 2,260 is the total number of participants, which includes both the experimental group and the control group. The actual experimental group consisted of only 1,131 people; the rest made up the control group, who receive a placebo instead of the vaccine itself.

It’s not like actual Americans were part of the adult vaccine trials either; we just ended up looking at data from somewhere else. 🤷

Topic - For now, I'm staying out of it. They seem a bit too young for me to be pushing this new shot on them.

Coco_Nut said:And why does that even matter? Is it just specific to this one vaccine? Does that logic apply to every other drug, medical supply, vaccine, or pesticide out there, or is it just this one? You honestly think they run full-blown clinical trials in the US before the FDA gives the green light for every single little thing?

The reason it matters is because the drug agencies themselves are basically admitting, indirectly, that it’s a totally valid concern:

just look at the absolute mess of conflicting rules coming out of various public health institutions and drug agencies across Europe regarding the AZ vaccine. It was a total circus:

• AZ is for everyone (Germany)
• not for anyone (Germany)
• not for those over 65 (Germany)
• not for those over 60 (Germany)
• only for those over 60 (again—Germany 🙂 🙂 🙂 )
• stopping administration permanently (Denmark)
• stopping administration permanently (Norway)
• great for everybody, they love it (United Kingdom)

and so on and so forth

Man, give me a break. This is supposed to be the "experts," the agencies, and the politicians we're meant to trust? When are we supposed to believe them—today, tomorrow, next week, next month, or six months from now, after they've done a complete 360 and every new decision completely contradicts the last one?

Once the administration changes, boom, there goes the policy again.

All of this combined has absolutely zero to do with expertise, health, or medicine. It’s purely, exclusively politics. And if you actually trust politicians, that’s on you. You clearly didn't learn a damn thing from history.

mellownomad7 said:Once the FDA and then Pfizer gave the green light for their vaccine to be used on kids aged 12 to 16, the first round of vaccinations for minors started hitting clinics here in the States

COVID shots for anyone under 16 are officially rolling out. So, what's the verdict: are you getting your kid vaccinated?

My idiot kids already went ahead and got their shots.
I mean, they aren't exactly 12 or 16 yet—they're a bit older—but whatever...

I don't have kids myself, but honestly, seeing responses like this makes me feel a whole lot better about where things are heading. I’ve spent plenty of time lurking on forums over in the States, and while you rarely find deep dives specifically centered on childcare, there are always groups of moms who are practically sprinting to get their kids vaccinated! 👎

ruggedmarlin18 said:I don't have kids myself, but honestly, seeing responses like this makes me feel a whole lot better about where things are heading. I’ve spent plenty of time lurking on forums over in the States, and while you rarely find deep dives specifically centered on childcare, there are always groups of moms who are practically sprinting to get their kids vaccinated! 👎

Look, that's all just noise. Pure hearsay. You can take any forum, news outlet, or social media platform and realize that anyone with enough cash in their pocket can manufacture whatever vibe they want. It's a setup. You've got mainstream media outlets that basically hand 90% of the airtime to one side and then toss in a measly 10% to the other just to pretend they're being objective. And don't even get me started on the comment sections or social media feeds—you're looking at thousands upon thousands of fake profiles. They're bots, plain and simple, run by just a handful of people trying to trick you into thinking "everyone" feels a certain way. It's all a manufactured illusion.

ruggedmarlin18 said:I don't have kids myself, but honestly, seeing responses like this makes me feel a whole lot better about where things are heading. I’ve spent plenty of time lurking on forums over in the States, and while you rarely find deep dives specifically centered on childcare, there are always groups of moms who are practically sprinting to get their kids vaccinated! 👎

We shouldn't judge people just because they're acting out of ignorance.
I mean, they've been feeding us nothing but fear and death for nearly two years now.

Is it even possible? It feels like more people have died from pure panic than from COVID-19 itself.