Would you get your kids vaccinated against COVID?

Nancy Williams58 said:Looks like you’re the only one who hasn't caught on. Quit flexing your English skills so hard; I’ll break this down for you in plain American English since you're struggling.

Basically, here's the deal—you've manufactured a massive headache here through vaccination that wouldn't have even been an issue if things had stayed minor. But then, in some stroke of genius, you wrap up your sentence by basically saying, "Oh well, at least it's not a real problem because it only affects the unvaccinated."

In short: you created a problem that didn't exist in the first place, and then you just shrug and say, "Whatever, it's fine, only the unvaccinated will die anyway."

If we apply that logic to actual people, it’s like saying, "Yeah, we created a mess with the vaccines, but it's no biggie because it'll only kill the people who aren't vaccinated" (and god forbid, there's a huge chunk of the population who physically can't or shouldn't get shots for various reasons).

Real humanitarian and empathetic of you. Truly.

#newnormal

Also, love how you jump straight from "thank goodness" to your own twisted conclusions. Real smooth.

It’s reached a point where being wrong feels almost impressive. My observations stem from how people are applying that specific article about livestock—where the only way to manage the situation is to cull the entire herd—to human beings, assuming that wiping out the population is a viable alternative to vaccination.

If we’re going to broaden this discussion to the general mechanics of how contagious mutations arise, we first have to establish whether they are being driven exclusively by vaccination rather than the natural circulation of the virus itself. It is impossible to reach such a conclusion, because it couldn't be more fundamentally flawed if it tried.

So we find ourselves circling back to this strange inversion of reality where the vaccine—designed specifically to halt infection and transmission—ends up acting as a primary driver for mutation itself. It’s quite a spectacle to witness, especially when we're expected to sit through endless moral lectures from people who seem to have their entire worldview turned upside down.

My wife and I just got our first dose of the modern stuff, and we'll be heading back soon for the second one.

As for the kids, we aren't planning on vaccinating them.

Why? It’s an easy call for me and my wife—we're halfway through life, so to speak—but I have no interest in giving the little ones something that hasn't been sufficiently studied yet.

Jason Kern63 said:The vaccine is finally here—something people have been clamoring for months. People are getting their shots, and honestly, that’s fine. But as for kids? I’m not an advocate for vaccinating them, nor would I personally do it. The only exception, obviously, would be if they were facing severe underlying health issues that made them vulnerable to COVID, the flu, or similar threats.
I’ve taken my shot myself. If this doesn't get me, something else will eventually. People died in wars by the thousands, yet nobody's out there screaming about it. Death is a reality; it always has been and always will be. For now, vaccination remains optional, and the trend seems to be that older folks—specifically those over 40—are the ones opting in, mostly because that's when health issues actually start creeping in. Look, aging is a natural process; you can't expect a 60-year-old's immune system to perform like a 20-year-old's.
Vaccinating healthy children won't even be an issue here since it isn't going to be standard practice. However, I do support vaccinating children who are already battling serious illnesses, as it could protect them from much harsher complications due to their compromised immunity.

The flu????🙏

We pretty much wiped out the flu. Nobody actually knows how we pulled it off, but it’s gone.
You are seriously out of the loop.😁

Rachel Barrett8 said:The flu????🙏

We pretty much wiped out the flu. Nobody actually knows how we pulled it off, but it’s gone.
You are seriously out of the loop.😁

It's pretty obvious this person is living in a total bubble. I mean, they clearly didn't catch that medical staff, cruise ship workers, and other tourism employees all over the world have already been sidelined because they refused to get vaccinated.

Jason Kern63 said:If everyone shared your mindset, we wouldn't have airplanes, advanced technology, or even bicycles. Someone had to step up, invent things, and get moving; otherwise, our streets would still be covered in dust instead of paved with asphalt. Vaccine efficacy was tested for a period of time, and it proved they work at preventing the most severe outcomes. As for the fact that they haven't been studied on millions of people yet—well, there simply wasn't enough time, so they left it to voluntary participation. You either take the shot or you don't. Who is going to wait five years to test a vaccine when the need is IMMEDIATE??? Did you write a letter to the troops during a war saying, "Please, don't attack us right away; wait five years until we can arm ourselves properly so we can fight better"? Look, brother, the war has already started. You go out to fight with a hundred-year-old relic, knowing full well your chances of hitting anything are slim. If we all thought like you, we’d currently be living in a version of the Republic of Mexico that stretched all the way to the Adriatic Sea.
History will eventually reveal whether it was smart to vaccinate or not. Personally, I know at least ten people who would have jumped at the chance to take the vaccine if they had known the reality of COVID—people who ended up on oxygen for ten days, barely able to breathe, and heaven knows what the long-term effects on their bodies might be. Of course, someone who merely sneezed twice during an infection is going to downplay the severity; after all, they were lucky enough to avoid the worst of it.

And those aren't even really comparable. It's not like people were being forced to ride bikes or fly planes the second they stepped out of the workshop.

Plus, military service isn't mandatory anymore—much to the joy of many.

slyfox43 said:It’s reached a point where being wrong feels almost impressive. My observations stem from how people are applying that specific article about livestock—where the only way to manage the situation is to cull the entire herd—to human beings, assuming that wiping out the population is a viable alternative to vaccination.

If we’re going to broaden this discussion to the general mechanics of how contagious mutations arise, we first have to establish whether they are being driven exclusively by vaccination rather than the natural circulation of the virus itself. It is impossible to reach such a conclusion, because it couldn't be more fundamentally flawed if it tried.

So we find ourselves circling back to this strange inversion of reality where the vaccine—designed specifically to halt infection and transmission—ends up acting as a primary driver for mutation itself. It’s quite a spectacle to witness, especially when we're expected to sit through endless moral lectures from people who seem to have their entire worldview turned upside down.

Honestly, I don't think you've grasped a single thing I'm saying...
The whole issue is the fact that it is entirely POSSIBLE for certain LEAKY vaccines to speed up or even facilitate the mutation of a virus into more dangerous variants.
The COVID-19 vaccines are LEAKY vaccines; if they weren't, you'd have 100% protection and wouldn't even be able to act as a potential carrier. So, yeah, that possibility definitely exists.
You want to argue otherwise? Fine. Do you have any actual peer-reviewed studies on this topic that prove me wrong?

It’s entirely plausible, much like how immunity gained through a LEAKY infection often results in a vast array of viral strains, some of which inevitably turn out to be more aggressive or contagious than their predecessors. Are you suggesting otherwise? Do you happen to have any peer-reviewed studies on hand that actually refute that?

Even SARS-CoV-2 itself evolved from something that wasn't even capable of human-to-human transmission, much like countless other viruses that preceded it.

Megan Green72 said:Your logic is honestly fascinating. Every vaccine works by training the body to fight an enemy so that when it actually shows up, the system knows how to crush it immediately. And that—right there—is why we say it protects against infection.
So yeah, vaccines protect you. Maybe what you were trying to get at is that they aren't 100% foolproof, or that some people won't build immunity or will only get partial protection and end up getting sick regardless.
Also, you clearly don't grasp how percentages work—0.1% of a billion is way more than 90% of a hundred, even if 90% sounds scarier to people who don't do math.

No, I am simply sticking to my original point. Even a perfectly effective vaccine won't stop the virus from physically entering your body; it just ensures your immune system handles the encounter much faster and more efficiently. Or were you under the impression that a vaccine creates some kind of mystical protective aura around you that prevents a virus from ever touching you?

slyfox43 said:It’s entirely plausible, much like how immunity gained through a LEAKY infection often results in a vast array of viral strains, some of which inevitably turn out to be more aggressive or contagious than their predecessors. Are you suggesting otherwise? Do you happen to have any peer-reviewed studies on hand that actually refute that?

Even SARS-CoV-2 itself evolved from something that wasn't even capable of human-to-human transmission, much like countless other viruses that preceded it.

Is "LEAKY immunity" some kind of brand new buzzword now? 🤦

Ronald Chavez2 said:No, I am simply sticking to my original point. Even a perfectly effective vaccine won't stop the virus from physically entering your body; it just ensures your immune system handles the encounter much faster and more efficiently. Or were you under the impression that a vaccine creates some kind of mystical protective aura around you that prevents a virus from ever touching you?

“When a vaccine works perfectly, as do the childhood vaccines for smallpox, polio, mumps, rubella and measles, it prevents vaccinated individuals from being sickened by the disease, and it also prevents them from transmitting the virus to others”

The problem is, because of the specific way this virus behaves and the type of vaccines we've been using, that just isn't how things work with COVID-19.

If anyone actually feels like reading this:

EPIDEMIOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES OF IMPERFECT VACCINES FOR IMMUNIZING INFECTIONS

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4394665/

The gist of it:

So, looking at the data, it seems like both LEAKY and waning immunity models show this weird "honeymoon period" right after people start getting vaccinated—something you don't see at all in the old "all-or-nothing" models. Even though these shifts are just temporary, they could seriously mess with how we design vaccination programs. Plus, this gives us a totally different way to look at why certain diseases, like whooping cough, seem to be "rebounding" even in places where vaccination rates stay super high. That spike in cases might not be what everyone thinks; it could just be what happens when that honeymoon period ends. Those massive outbreaks? They might just be temporary swings as things settle into a new normal for the vaccine era.

Samuel Turner2 said:Is "LEAKY immunity" some kind of brand new buzzword now? 🤦

It seems like there are plenty of armchair experts out there who find an entire spectrum of concepts far too complicated to grasp.

Rather than actually addressing a single, straightforward question, they much prefer to sit back and throw shade: where exactly do these new viruses come from, and where do these emerging viral strains originate?

I suppose the answer must be exclusively through vaccination.

Samuel Turner2 said:If anyone actually feels like reading this:

EPIDEMIOLOGICAL CONSEQUENCES OF IMPERFECT VACCINES FOR IMMUNIZING INFECTIONS

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4394665/

The gist of it:

So, looking at the data, it seems like both LEAKY and waning immunity models show this weird "honeymoon period" right after people start getting vaccinated—something you don't see at all in the old "all-or-nothing" models. Even though these shifts are just temporary, they could seriously mess with how we design vaccination programs. Plus, this gives us a totally different way to look at why certain diseases, like whooping cough, seem to be "rebounding" even in places where vaccination rates stay super high. That spike in cases might not be what everyone thinks; it could just be what happens when that honeymoon period ends. Those massive outbreaks? They might just be temporary swings as things settle into a new normal for the vaccine era.

It is quite telling how the authors touch upon these critical epidemiological shifts while carefully avoiding any suggestion that "imperfect vaccines" shouldn't be administered at all—it’s a curious omission. Still, it might be worth looking through the study yourself, if only to gain a clearer perspective on what we might expect to see unfolding in the near future, preventing that sudden mental stall when people inevitably claim "vaccines don't work," or more pointedly, that "they do more harm than good."

slyfox43 said:It is quite telling how the authors touch upon these critical epidemiological shifts while carefully avoiding any suggestion that "imperfect vaccines" shouldn't be administered at all—it’s a curious omission. Still, it might be worth looking through the study yourself, if only to gain a clearer perspective on what we might expect to see unfolding in the near future, preventing that sudden mental stall when people inevitably claim "vaccines don't work," or more pointedly, that "they do more harm than good."

What is even your deal? Why the sudden aggression and the insults? 👎
Is my questioning the efficacy, quality, or safety of current COVID-19 vaccines actually bothering you that much?
If it is, why?

Samuel Turner2 said:What is even your deal? Why the sudden aggression and the insults? 👎
Is my questioning the efficacy, quality, or safety of current COVID-19 vaccines actually bothering you that much?
If it is, why?

He's just upset that people aren't willing to sacrifice their children's future just to serve his own interests.☕

Rachel Barrett8 said:The COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop you from catching the virus; it stops you from getting deathly ill. Like Beroš would put it, it keeps you from ending up in the ICU.
But sure, you can still get infected, and you can still pass it on to others... so calling it "protection from infection" isn't quite right.

Am I missing something here?

Yeah, you're wrong. It actually does protect against infection, and if you do end up getting hit, it'll likely be a mild case instead of the heavy stuff.☕
Plus, plenty of studies show vaccinated people slow down the spread.

Ronald Chavez2 said:No, I am simply sticking to my original point. Even a perfectly effective vaccine won't stop the virus from physically entering your body; it just ensures your immune system handles the encounter much faster and more efficiently. Or were you under the impression that a vaccine creates some kind of mystical protective aura around you that prevents a virus from ever touching you?

Maybe try actually learning how vaccines and viruses work first?
There isn't a single vaccine out there that prevents a virus from entering your system—that's just not how biology works. That goes for COVID-19, too, and pretty much every other vaccine on the planet.

Samuel Turner2 said:What is even your deal? Why the sudden aggression and the insults? 👎
Is my questioning the efficacy, quality, or safety of current COVID-19 vaccines actually bothering you that much?
If it is, why?

Questioning things? Not at all. I'm doing plenty of my own questioning.

The answers you provide when questioning yourself seem heavily steeped in ideology, running quite contrary to the actual data available.

Megan Green72 said:Yeah, you're wrong. It actually does protect against infection, and if you do end up getting hit, it'll likely be a mild case instead of the heavy stuff.☕
Plus, plenty of studies show vaccinated people slow down the spread.

So, what exactly is going on over in England then?

neonfox11 said:So, what exactly is going on over in England then?

So, what exactly is going on over in England then?
Maybe try to actually proući the material before weighing in. There’s plenty of documentation out there, and it isn't quite the scenario you're implying.