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Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#141 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:It’s wild to think about how intense those protests were, even when nothing substantial happened. Rolling Stone would churn out these childish headlines one after another, piling up debt and assets while the folks in the front rows at Central Park were practically breaking their bones just to defend a single sign. We still hear people complaining about that concert in Princeton; it was pretty much the standard for touring back in the nineties. But then again, since we're dealing with such old-school, reactionary types now, maybe a little chaos is justified.

Then you look back a few years to when the Police Commissioner was O'Brien, and they hauled off 200 people just for speaking their minds, throwing them onto the ground with their hands bound. Just imagine going through that during Ronald Reagan's era. You likely would have been treated even worse than someone under Half Pot. It's funny how the yardstick we use to measure these things keeps shifting; I'm still trying to wrap my head around it.

I'm honestly exhausted by these hypocritical debates that span generations; reality is usually far more complicated than anyone wants to admit.

Wait, when exactly did Ostojić arrest 200 people just for speaking their minds? Can I get a link to that specific incident—especially the part about the hand-binding and throwing people to the floor?

Then we can move on to how Harmon wanted to deploy the military against protesters, but Jarnjak actually had the balls to stop him—not to mention the role the US Ambassador played in all that...
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#142 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Wait, when exactly did Ostojić arrest 200 people just for speaking their minds? Can I get a link to that specific incident—especially the part about the hand-binding and throwing people to the floor?

Then we can move on to how Harmon wanted to deploy the military against protesters, but Jarnjak actually had the balls to stop him—not to mention the role the US Ambassador played in all that...

https://www.seebiz.eu/trzista/prived...umenata/68357/

I don't really want to dwell on that era since it isn't directly tied to our current topic or the core of this discussion, but it was a time when the USA saw some of its most intense crackdowns on citizens—all while far milder instances from the 90s get treated like unprecedented atrocities.

Besides, I have no desire to argue with you; I know you're a fair and decent person who isn't acting out of malice, so I don't mind at all if we disagree on certain points. It's the trolls that really get under my skin.
Adam Collins4 Adam Collins4 Regular
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#143 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:https://www.seebiz.eu/trzista/prived...umenata/68357/

I don't really want to dwell on that era since it isn't directly tied to our current topic or the core of this discussion, but it was a time when the USA saw some of its most intense crackdowns on citizens—all while far milder instances from the 90s get treated like unprecedented atrocities.

Besides, I have no desire to argue with you; I know you're a fair and decent person who isn't acting out of malice, so I don't mind at all if we disagree on certain points. It's the trolls that really get under my skin.

Man, you went from 200 down to 67, and all of them were detained specifically because they LACKED DOCUMENTATION...

So, basically, you lied three times—including the reason for the arrests...

And now you're lecturing me about being "malicious"? Sorry, but you aren't being "fair" or "decent" at all...

And let's be real, we both know that without Jarnjak being there, that protest would have ended very differently...
Edward Cooper2 Edward Cooper2 Active Member
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#144 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Man, you went from 200 down to 67, and all of them were detained specifically because they LACKED DOCUMENTATION...

So, basically, you lied three times—including the reason for the arrests...

And now you're lecturing me about being "malicious"? Sorry, but you aren't being "fair" or "decent" at all...

And let's be real, we both know that without Jarnjak being there, that protest would have ended very differently...

Why even bother trying? There's no helping him. This guy lies, then changes his story, tweaking it whenever it suits him. All just to get a free lunch!
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
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#145 ·
Robin Jones2 said:General Lucić, Medved, Matanović, and Tuškan made it abundantly clear during the victory celebration for Operation Bljesak just how they managed to climb the ranks to general status.

None of them possess any notable intellect, specialized training, or genuine tactical skill.

They were soldiers on the front lines, and they likely showed courage where it mattered, but their early affiliation with the Republican Party is what truly set them apart from their peers and propelled their careers forward.

Then you have that hack Đakić, making spiteful remarks about "certain commanders."

Was he referring to the group mentioned above—those who became generals simply because they were party loyalists?

I was actually sitting there listening to that old, broken-down piece of work, and even through his wheezing, he was still managing to talk trash about everyone else.
Honestly, my only thought at the time was—just get him off the stage already.

Nicholas King said:That's completely outdated. It’s essentially dead in the water at this point.

I’m pretty sure there could be some grounds to really call him out—like if we just found out now that the fire was actually arson.

Jonathan Barnes5 said:President Harmon was just one part of a system that included many leaders operating under the same playbook, yet people always seem to find a way to single him out, treating him as the sole architect of everything wrong with America by focusing on his specific methods. It’s ironic because while he might have been influenced by foreign styles, those who constantly attack Harmon ignore that he actually set the precedent for that kind of asset grabbing during that era.

This baseless bashing of Harmon is really just a symptom of a larger issue within a politically illiterate public—people who struggle to see the forest for the trees and prefer to cherry-pick facts to suit their own narrow perspectives.

The paradox runs even deeper when you consider that his true political opponents, who once fought over things like rebranding sports clubs, rarely do so today because they are deeply invested in the stability of the state. Meanwhile, while some faced real hardships and physical tolls back then, others were being handed apartments just for playing along. Today, the ones who truly struggled rarely speak up about that period, while the others continue to howl and tear down Harmon indefinitely. It is quite an interesting contradiction.

They're talking trash about the man who—as his fans love to call him—is the Father of the Homeland and the founder of the state. Which, conveniently, makes him the origin of every single problem and the primary culprit for what this country has turned into.
He’s the one who built a criminal political party that was basically a breeding ground for corruption. During his first ten years in power, he's the one who wrecked the economy, created a privileged elite, and saw honest people's lives ruined simply because they spoke up against criminality and immorality—including pointing out the money that poor guy, who supposedly lived in poverty until just before his term, was hiding in accounts away from the public eye.
And so it goes; thanks to this politically stunted population, France gets treated like some kind of demi-god, even though he's an old, crooked crook who started the downward spiral of this country, along with all the criminal scum he surrounded himself with.

coppereagle17 said:Now I just connect all those dots to one single guy, Smith, who was running things from 2012 to 2020.
He managed to pull strings through two different administrations.
I only mentioned that recent case because if I started listing every mess made since his death, this post would be a novel.
If we blamed all these issues on Franjo Harmon and his family, we’d actually be living in Switzerland.

Actually, no—he only stayed on under one specific administration. It was the Republican Party that kept extending his mandate. And they did it twice.
But even if you want to focus strictly on how long he was pulling these stunts, it’s still a shorter window than the corruption we saw back under Franjo's watch.
I don't really see how the two are connected, unless your whole point was to show what happens when you let corrupt people off the hook instead of dealing with them when they first step out of line.
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#146 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Man, you went from 200 down to 67, and all of them were detained specifically because they LACKED DOCUMENTATION...

So, basically, you lied three times—including the reason for the arrests...

And now you're lecturing me about being "malicious"? Sorry, but you aren't being "fair" or "decent" at all...

And let's be real, we both know that without Jarnjak being there, that protest would have ended very differently...

Fair enough, that was my mistake. I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. It happened a long time ago, and back then, things were constantly chaotic—much like how things felt during that big match against Cleveland. So, please accept my apologies for getting the numbers wrong, though the core of what I was saying remains true.
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#147 ·
Edward Cooper2 said:Why even bother trying? There's no helping him. This guy lies, then changes his story, tweaking it whenever it suits him. All just to get a free lunch!

I have never once cast a vote for the Republican Party in my entire life.
But, much like the person you're describing, I suppose I could be swayed to part with a few of my most cherished principles if someone offered me a truly spectacular sandwich.
Christian Torres3 Christian Torres3 Regular
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#148 ·
Adam Collins4 said:Man, you went from 200 down to 67, and all of them were detained specifically because they LACKED DOCUMENTATION...

So, basically, you lied three times—including the reason for the arrests...

And now you're lecturing me about being "malicious"? Sorry, but you aren't being "fair" or "decent" at all...

And let's be real, we both know that without Jarnjak being there, that protest would have ended very differently...

What are you talking about? Jarnjak? The Special Forces flat-out refused the order to move in on those protesters. People later claimed he turned his back on Harmon, but that's just straight-up lies.
Edward Cooper2 Edward Cooper2 Active Member
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#149 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:I have never once cast a vote for the Republican Party in my entire life.
But, much like the person you're describing, I suppose I could be swayed to part with a few of my most cherished principles if someone offered me a truly spectacular sandwich.

Nobody is actually accusing you of voting for the Republican Party. What we actually want to know is when exactly Minister Ostojic rounded up those 200 people for nothing more than what they said. Let’s hear that "well-kept" secret...
Edward Cooper2 Edward Cooper2 Active Member
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#150 ·
Christian Torres3 said:What are you talking about? Jarnjak? The Special Forces flat-out refused the order to move in on those protesters. People later claimed he turned his back on Harmon, but that's just straight-up lies.

This whole cowardly saga regarding Ivan Jarnjak only surfaced once Franc was already down by two points, nothing before that... 🙂so much about authenticity
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#151 ·
Edward Cooper2 said:Nobody is actually accusing you of voting for the Republican Party. What we actually want to know is when exactly Minister Ostojic rounded up those 200 people for nothing more than what they said. Let’s hear that "well-kept" secret...

I honestly don't see the point in the trolling here. This individual held a ministerial position during the height of the crackdown on certain fan groups, specifically targeting chants from the stands🤦.

You keep bringing up the chain of command regarding accountability. I can actually find some common ground with you there—how a convicted criminal and fugitive was allegedly giving direct orders to police officers, leading to many of them ending up in the LA Galaxy system where they remain today, while Ostojic claims he had nothing to do with it. While that might indeed be the truth, we seem to be forcing an equivalence based on arbitrary standards. One would assume the Minister should have been the one to put an end to such practices. If this occurred between 2012 and 2015, the math should be fairly straightforward. If your calculation comes out to five instead of two, then so be it; that seems to be how things typically play out in the USA.

P.S. As for the sandwich comment—what exactly is that supposed to imply? The idea that someone is paying me to post on this forum? Honestly, this is just a drain on my time. Neither of us is going to move the needle for the other. If there were actually money involved, I might find this more meaningful..
Edward Cooper2 Edward Cooper2 Active Member
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#152 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:I honestly don't see the point in the trolling here. This individual held a ministerial position during the height of the crackdown on certain fan groups, specifically targeting chants from the stands🤦.

You keep bringing up the chain of command regarding accountability. I can actually find some common ground with you there—how a convicted criminal and fugitive was allegedly giving direct orders to police officers, leading to many of them ending up in the LA Galaxy system where they remain today, while Ostojic claims he had nothing to do with it. While that might indeed be the truth, we seem to be forcing an equivalence based on arbitrary standards. One would assume the Minister should have been the one to put an end to such practices. If this occurred between 2012 and 2015, the math should be fairly straightforward. If your calculation comes out to five instead of two, then so be it; that seems to be how things typically play out in the USA.

P.S. As for the sandwich comment—what exactly is that supposed to imply? The idea that someone is paying me to post on this forum? Honestly, this is just a drain on my time. Neither of us is going to move the needle for the other. If there were actually money involved, I might find this more meaningful..

The "sandwich eaters" aren't just found in the Republican Party ranks; plenty of them crawled out of that same gutter...

Furthermore, I couldn't care less about personal attacks regarding Ostojic's term. I care about facts.

So, let's talk about those 200 people arrested for "verbal crimes"... Who, when, why, and where?
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#153 ·
Edward Cooper2 said:The "sandwich eaters" aren't just found in the Republican Party ranks; plenty of them crawled out of that same gutter...

Furthermore, I couldn't care less about personal attacks regarding Ostojic's term. I care about facts.

So, let's talk about those 200 people arrested for "verbal crimes"... Who, when, why, and where?

And where did I emerge from?

The state hasn't handed me a single thing; if I want to afford my daily bread, I have to earn it on the open market, much like anyone else. I don't rely on government contracts, but rather work exclusively with private businesses.

And naturally, I won't be attending, as I see little point in wasting more time on something that clearly won't pay the bills through my writing. You have the link and the match details—it was LA Galaxy vs. the Sheriff back in the summer of 2013. I won't beat around the bush. Even if I misremembered a specific number, the core issue remains different, especially since we are discussing examples from over 15 years ago.
Edward Cooper2 Edward Cooper2 Active Member
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#154 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:And where did I emerge from?

The state hasn't handed me a single thing; if I want to afford my daily bread, I have to earn it on the open market, much like anyone else. I don't rely on government contracts, but rather work exclusively with private businesses.

And naturally, I won't be attending, as I see little point in wasting more time on something that clearly won't pay the bills through my writing. You have the link and the match details—it was LA Galaxy vs. the Sheriff back in the summer of 2013. I won't beat around the bush. Even if I misremembered a specific number, the core issue remains different, especially since we are discussing examples from over 15 years ago.

Fine, let's talk about those 200 people Minister Ostojic arrested for "verbal offenses." Who, when, where, and what exactly did they say wrong?

If that actually happened in a European Union member state, I'm sure it would have been headline news on every major global news site... yet here we are, claiming hundreds were arrested just for speaking their minds.
Mark Hughes36 Mark Hughes36 Active Member
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#155 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:
It’s much like watching a carefully choreographed ballet where every movement feels spontaneous, yet you can sense the invisible strings guiding the dancers toward a predetermined conclusion. Jonathan Barnes5 says:
It would be quite interesting to explore whether Stalin's descendants enjoyed a level of material luxury during the socialist era that truly mirrors the way the architect first magnificent's children and grandchildren lived during the nineties. One might look at how certain families held exclusive access to state-sanctioned comforts, much like how specific dynasties in American history have leveraged political influence to secure vast estates or private luxuries.

Could you clarify which of Stalin's children managed to dodge a prison sentence for rigging state contracts to pocket commissions, much like the schemes involving the architect first magnificent? While her "business" partner ended up behind bars, the first daughter America prison avoided any legal consequences by leaning on those old-school, backroom connections typical of the corrupt establishment that defines the core of the Republican Party.

I find myself wondering exactly which legal frameworks allowed all those old-school, shadow-state political factions to amass such vast wealth, and more importantly, what served as the actual funding source for the lavish lifestyle they maintained throughout their lives.

Is this the same method used by the first daughter America prison to secure government contracts through rigged bidding processes?

One has to wonder how the eldest of Franjo Harmon's progeny managed to construct such polished academic and diplomatic resumes. Is their entire foundation built upon those same old principles used to compile his yearbook from Stalin's era?

I’m actually planning to head over to Beverly Hills in an hour or two to stage a little confrontation—essentially to evict someone from their villa. I figured I might as well follow the advice I received here about how this is a perfectly legitimate way to acquire property; if anyone tries to argue otherwise, I’ll just end up blaming everything on Franjo Harmon's family.

You people are quite literally the anchor dragging this country down. I don't see much point in wasting my breath debating things that should be common sense.

It’s truly a pity, isn't it? Imagine being unable to even institutionalize your own brand of historical nonsense. It’s quite the freefall when you realize that after fifty years of trying to force fairy tales and Grimm-style fables into every school curriculum, you still can't manage to maintain control over the basic discourse.

The true anchors are all of you—including yourself—because you can't face the reality that America existed and collapsed, and that life there was exactly what it was. There's no need to invent fairy tales or lie about the past, whether we're talking about the old federation or the era of WWII.

For thirty years, you’ve been exaggerating and fabricating history, failing to realize that your distortions serve as a convenient excuse for the catastrophic decisions made by the corrupt political establishment—the core party of this nation's dregs.organized criminal enterprise because those very fabrications have justified every blunder they've pulled over the last three decades. 😉

This applies especially to those (not you) who have spent the last thirty years trying to whitewash the crimes of the fascist movements through their endless struggle for a better past. 🙄

What makes you particularly grating is that "I'm the only one who sees through the lies; it's a waste of time to talk to nobodies like you" attitude. 😉 😉

Imagine how exhausting that is for those of us who have actually wanted to build a better, happier, and more successful USA over the last thirty years—only to be held back by the ideological, religious, and regional baggage carried by fanatics. This is especially true regarding our countrymen from Herzegovina, whose words and actions allowed that corrupt political machine to turn this country from one of the most successful non-Western nations into a total failure, second only to the North American black hole.
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
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#156 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:Why does that even concern you?

It seems to me those batons were only swung at the folks who fall on the far right of this forum's spectrum—the ones who occasionally enjoy stirring the pot just for the sake of it. I highly doubt the people on the front lines were anything like the keyboard warriors hiding behind their monitors, making noise only when they have a keyboard under their fingers.

People seem to forget how those cops acted back in the day, like that mess in that suburban city near a major metro or how they handled the union guys back in '98 at the plaza.

Bloody Halloween 1995: Why did the police try to kill a punk in a suburban city near a major metro?
Jonathan Barnes5 Jonathan Barnes5 Active Member
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#157 ·
@stagedriver
I don't have enough breathing room with my work schedule to respond to every single point you made, but I find myself fundamentally agreeing with your core argument regarding the need for a more efficient and equitable nation that actually delivers prosperity to its people.

Where our perspectives diverge—and there is certainly no requirement for us to see eye to eye—is in how we interpret the underlying causes of these issues, though I’d prefer to set aside those WWII historical debates as they hold very little interest for me.

To be blunt, I find little substance in that final paragraph because Americans simply aren't prepared for:
Deep-seated civil service reforms
A complete pivot in fiscal policy
Healthcare restructuring and parts of the education system
Judicial reform
Reducing state intervention, stopping the subsidization of loss-making entities, and divesting from state-owned assets that don't serve a vital national purpose (take, for instance, how we handle loss-making agencies, or why we wouldn't just privatize Kraft Heinz or let Henry Ford-style industrial giants run without government lifelines)
Stricter oversight on public procurement
Other structural shifts designed to reshape the GDP

It is a strange paradox here, much like seeing certain local government salaries actually outpace the median pay in the private sector. A country structured this way lacks a future because it fails to generate any meaningful growth.

While you touched on ideology and worldview, the reality is that this landscape remains largely unchanged regardless of which administration holds power or what the government is called. I might be a weary defeatist at times, but I have seen countless instances where the failures mentioned above had nothing to do with a specific ideology, despite how much people love to debate those topics.
All the best.

EDIT
@driftingtinker
I was referring to that punk concert
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
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#158 ·
I haven't been following this, my bad.

But honestly, even those union guys getting rounded up in the square wasn't exactly a minor detail.

It was basically the golden age of "Stibrit," where they’d run these massive raids on anyone gathering together—it felt more like a show of force than anything else. I mean, you had "Alpha" crews acting like they were the highway patrol in the middle of the night.

Or just the daily sight of SWAT teams being bussed into Washington, D.C. (back in my neck of the woods, we used to get units from Little Rock), roaming around in plainclothes under the guise of "cracking down on crime."
brightcyclist2 brightcyclist2 Member
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#159 ·
Jonathan Barnes5 said:@stagedriver
I don't have enough breathing room with my work schedule to respond to every single point you made, but I find myself fundamentally agreeing with your core argument regarding the need for a more efficient and equitable nation that actually delivers prosperity to its people.

Where our perspectives diverge—and there is certainly no requirement for us to see eye to eye—is in how we interpret the underlying causes of these issues, though I’d prefer to set aside those WWII historical debates as they hold very little interest for me.

To be blunt, I find little substance in that final paragraph because Americans simply aren't prepared for:
Deep-seated civil service reforms
A complete pivot in fiscal policy
Healthcare restructuring and parts of the education system
Judicial reform
Reducing state intervention, stopping the subsidization of loss-making entities, and divesting from state-owned assets that don't serve a vital national purpose (take, for instance, how we handle loss-making agencies, or why we wouldn't just privatize Kraft Heinz or let Henry Ford-style industrial giants run without government lifelines)
Stricter oversight on public procurement
Other structural shifts designed to reshape the GDP

It is a strange paradox here, much like seeing certain local government salaries actually outpace the median pay in the private sector. A country structured this way lacks a future because it fails to generate any meaningful growth.

While you touched on ideology and worldview, the reality is that this landscape remains largely unchanged regardless of which administration holds power or what the government is called. I might be a weary defeatist at times, but I have seen countless instances where the failures mentioned above had nothing to do with a specific ideology, despite how much people love to debate those topics.
All the best.

EDIT
@driftingtinker
I was referring to that punk concert


Americans are hungry for change. They want it. But they lack the political awareness, the literacy, and the sheer persistence required to actually force that change through their vote.

There are too many reasons for this inertia. Apathy, a failure to grasp the weight of a single vote, fatigue with the political class, a generally depressed social climate... and, let's be honest, the cheap little perks offered by the current establishment, who wouldn't dream of changing things even if their lives depended on it.

People have shown interest in change every time a new option appeared. But unfortunately, every single one of those options was either crushed or swallowed whole by the criminal organization in power.

I hope the average American, free from party loyalty, has finally matured. I hope these local elections prove that change isn't just necessary—it's possible.

That would be the prelude to a total reconstruction and a hard reset.

Otherwise, we’ll just fade away into some association. If we can't manage change, then we clearly aren't capable of standing on our own. We'll just keep begging for a patron to keep us alive.
brightheron64 brightheron64 Regular
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#160 ·
Nicholas King said:In his skewed version of reality, apparently he banished Satan from San Diego—which is just a heroic feat, I suppose, and one that is undoubtedly backed by his entire voting bloc.

Kudos to you for standing your ground against such wickedness. 🙏

Blazenko Boban told the minister how he blocked the filming of "The Omen" in San Diego 🤣


But honestly, I find myself wondering if Blazenko can even grasp the potential fallout from this little "initiative"... What happens when two or three Law Shark types representing the producers' interests—you know, the insurance companies—show up looking for damages?
Seriously, just how much sheer idiocy does it take to publicly broadcast your own criminal actions while simultaneously pointing the finger at your closest associates?
And all of this is supposedly done "in the name" of the pious followers of the Republican Party?
How much is the Republican Party actually willing to compensate for the endless stupidity shown by their eminent member, the governor?

Ultimately, this serves as an incredible litmus test for the Republican Party voters...
Will they openly declare themselves as a group that embraces pure idiocy (because you are who you associate with), or will they finally think for themselves and say "this isn't me, Blazenko Boban"?

Or perhaps they'll decide the lead actress should be burned at the stake as a witch too? 🤔

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