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Robert Hernandez11 Robert Hernandez11 Active Member
75 messages
joined Feb 2023
#141 ·
Look, don't get me wrong—I'm not against safety measures. But acting like "living in masks" is just some acceptable norm, especially when you're forcing it on kids, is bordering on straight-up sadism. 🤷
At this point, it feels less about protecting people from COVID and more about showing off a complete lack of basic empathy. It’s honestly disturbing, particularly for anyone working in the education system.
I'm with velvetskipper11 on this one. People with that kind of mindset shouldn't be anywhere near a classroom. ☕
Amanda Hughes37 Amanda Hughes37 Active Member
145 messages
joined Apr 2016
#142 ·
wanderingbadger44 might be a decent person, but her way of talking about her job is just grating... honestly, it’s hard to listen to.

A few months back, she messaged me here following a debate with others regarding remote learning—complaining quite loudly about how much it hurts her heart that my kid, or anyone else's, won't master fractions. As if the rest of us believe a child's entire existence hinges on a fraction.

All this, mind you, while we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic questioning what the last two school years have even meant for us.

Then there are those comments suggesting nobody should care if someone misses out on their dream college because they caught the flu or tested positive for... well, you know... bad luck. Apparently, it isn't their job to make sure that happens.

I think wanderingbadger44 and a handful of others are just trying to burst our bubble regarding the fairy tale that professors are deeply in love with their students and their subjects—that they're willing to go above and beyond for everything...
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#143 ·
velvetskipper11 said:People like this definitely shouldn't be working in schools.

My mom’s been teaching at her school for 30 years—30 years—and I don't think she's caught so much as a sniffle once. So, honestly? This isn't about anyone else; it's a "you" problem. If you're getting sick every single year, your immune system is clearly struggling—God knows what kind of lifestyle you're leading if that's the case. And then, on top of that, you want to force kids into masks just so you can feel safe? We already know the science shows that's harmful both physically and mentally. It's just a weak excuse to shield yourself at their expense. Good grief. 🤦

People should definitely be required to pass a psych test before landing a job at a school. They ought to start on fixed-term contracts for the first few years—just enough time to see if the role actually fits their mental state and emotional intelligence levels.

Oh, please—why don't you do us all a favor and actually post a link to these "scientific proofs" you're so confidently citing?

Teachers aren't the ones forcing masks on children; rather, it is a collective decision made by the CDC, medical science and common sense—the very things you and your crowd seem to love invoking so enthusiastically.

And it isn't about protecting themselves, either—it's about protecting everyone as a whole.

In schools, and honestly everywhere else, we really shouldn't have to deal with people who casually toss out those "oh, that's just how it works in a marriage... excuse me, I mean school" type of nonsense—claiming it's somehow impossible for kids to follow epidemiological protocols because, well, kids are just... unpredictable or whatever.
Austin Garcia Austin Garcia Member
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joined Feb 2023
#144 ·
velvetskipper11 said:People like this definitely shouldn't be working in schools.

My mom’s been teaching at her school for 30 years—30 years—and I don't think she's caught so much as a sniffle once. So, honestly? This isn't about anyone else; it's a "you" problem. If you're getting sick every single year, your immune system is clearly struggling—God knows what kind of lifestyle you're leading if that's the case. And then, on top of that, you want to force kids into masks just so you can feel safe? We already know the science shows that's harmful both physically and mentally. It's just a weak excuse to shield yourself at their expense. Good grief. 🤦

People should definitely be required to pass a psych test before landing a job at a school. They ought to start on fixed-term contracts for the first few years—just enough time to see if the role actually fits their mental state and emotional intelligence levels.

And honestly, it shouldn't just be a one-time thing at the start; regular assessments would be so beneficial. There are certain teachers who seem to completely burn out after only a couple of years on the job 🙄
I can't help but recall a statement made by a certain "educator" here, claiming everything remains under control at an educational institution as long as there aren't more than half bad teachers. Apparently, having up to fifty percent subpar staff is acceptable, and only when it exceeds that threshold should any action be taken 🤦
It really serves as proof for how many treat this as nothing more than a paycheck—hardly a noble calling or a passion they choose to highlight unless it's convenient for them...
It is quite difficult to witness when they fail to engage in the shaping of young minds, missing the chance to provide guidance that could mean the world to some, or to offer the kind of encouragement that helps others solidify their life plans and gives them momentum... children often form deep bonds with their mentors, seeing them as much more than just someone who puts up with them because it's a job...
I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but the lives of these children do depend on them, as they serve as such vital components in the process of molding independent individuals...
Of course, I am certainly not referring to everyone, as I personally know several wonderful day teachers, but there are enough people who remain perpetually dissatisfied with everything that the students end up being the ones who suffer...
Jamie Howard4 Jamie Howard4 Newcomer
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#145 ·
The Rudjer system should be back online before Easter

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copperpuma11 copperpuma11 Member
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joined Jan 2023
#146 ·
Amanda Hughes37 said:wanderingbadger44 might be a decent person, but her way of talking about her job is just grating... honestly, it’s hard to listen to.

A few months back, she messaged me here following a debate with others regarding remote learning—complaining quite loudly about how much it hurts her heart that my kid, or anyone else's, won't master fractions. As if the rest of us believe a child's entire existence hinges on a fraction.

All this, mind you, while we're in the middle of a deadly pandemic questioning what the last two school years have even meant for us.

Then there are those comments suggesting nobody should care if someone misses out on their dream college because they caught the flu or tested positive for... well, you know... bad luck. Apparently, it isn't their job to make sure that happens.

I think wanderingbadger44 and a handful of others are just trying to burst our bubble regarding the fairy tale that professors are deeply in love with their students and their subjects—that they're willing to go above and beyond for everything...

It doesn't exactly roll out smoothly for them. People still have this outdated idea that it's just a hobby for wealthy socialites or ladies with nothing better to do with their time.

Austin Garcia said:And honestly, it shouldn't just be a one-time thing at the start; regular assessments would be so beneficial. There are certain teachers who seem to completely burn out after only a couple of years on the job 🙄
I can't help but recall a statement made by a certain "educator" here, claiming everything remains under control at an educational institution as long as there aren't more than half bad teachers. Apparently, having up to fifty percent subpar staff is acceptable, and only when it exceeds that threshold should any action be taken 🤦
It really serves as proof for how many treat this as nothing more than a paycheck—hardly a noble calling or a passion they choose to highlight unless it's convenient for them...
It is quite difficult to witness when they fail to engage in the shaping of young minds, missing the chance to provide guidance that could mean the world to some, or to offer the kind of encouragement that helps others solidify their life plans and gives them momentum... children often form deep bonds with their mentors, seeing them as much more than just someone who puts up with them because it's a job...
I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but the lives of these children do depend on them, as they serve as such vital components in the process of molding independent individuals...
Of course, I am certainly not referring to everyone, as I personally know several wonderful day teachers, but there are enough people who remain perpetually dissatisfied with everything that the students end up being the ones who suffer...

It’s like when you go in for that pre-employment screening and have to sign off confirming you aren't out of your mind. You know, that sanity check before they hire you.
Austin Garcia Austin Garcia Member
28 messages
joined Feb 2023
#147 ·
copperpuma11 said:It doesn't exactly roll out smoothly for them. People still have this outdated idea that it's just a hobby for wealthy socialites or ladies with nothing better to do with their time.

It’s like when you go in for that pre-employment screening and have to sign off confirming you aren't out of your mind. You know, that sanity check before they hire you.

I honestly feel like things would be much smoother if there were some sort of filtering process in place...
I am certainly not trying to put teachers on a pedestal, but looking back at the last few forum threads regarding high school graduation, it seems like they are constantly being asked to bend over backwards... and over the last couple of years, quite a few educators have really stepped up to the plate. From handling strikes to managing the shift to remote learning, there has been so much patience and flexibility shown on paper, even though every time they return to the classroom, they are buried under a mountain of exams and oral tests just to make up for missing grades. Even a principal once mentioned to me, haha, how she understood 🙄 your situation, but it feels like the priority shifted toward simply finishing the curriculum and collecting grades rather than actually focusing on the students and their well-being...
And in our area, remote learning hasn't really progressed much since a while ago, especially considering everything with the virus and the earthquake. But ultimately, students need to realize that their teachers have their own lives, their families, and their own anxieties too... I think the kids will eventually understand, and that is how it should be...
copperpuma11 copperpuma11 Member
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joined Jan 2023
#148 ·
It’s two sides of the same coin. On one side, you have students being chased for grades instead of actually learning anything. On the other, teachers are buried under endless paperwork instead of just being allowed to teach.
urbantinker8 urbantinker8 Regular
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joined Jan 2023
#149 ·
Austin Garcia said:And honestly, it shouldn't just be a one-time thing at the start; regular assessments would be so beneficial. There are certain teachers who seem to completely burn out after only a couple of years on the job 🙄
I can't help but recall a statement made by a certain "educator" here, claiming everything remains under control at an educational institution as long as there aren't more than half bad teachers. Apparently, having up to fifty percent subpar staff is acceptable, and only when it exceeds that threshold should any action be taken 🤦
It really serves as proof for how many treat this as nothing more than a paycheck—hardly a noble calling or a passion they choose to highlight unless it's convenient for them...
It is quite difficult to witness when they fail to engage in the shaping of young minds, missing the chance to provide guidance that could mean the world to some, or to offer the kind of encouragement that helps others solidify their life plans and gives them momentum... children often form deep bonds with their mentors, seeing them as much more than just someone who puts up with them because it's a job...
I don't want to sound hyperbolic, but the lives of these children do depend on them, as they serve as such vital components in the process of molding independent individuals...
Of course, I am certainly not referring to everyone, as I personally know several wonderful day teachers, but there are enough people who remain perpetually dissatisfied with everything that the students end up being the ones who suffer...

I think you might be slightly misremembering what that professor said, rather than a teacher.
I specifically wrote that for me (meaning strictly me, I wasn't laying down a universal law for all humanity, much less for sensitive American parents) it would be manageable if my kid in elementary school (not high school, one should probably look up the difference between elementary and secondary ed) ended up with a few subpar teachers, and if they were fewer than half, I wouldn't make a massive scene about it.

So, really, I was just talking about myself and my own family.
I suppose I'm not entirely sure why that somehow managed to upset you or cause such a stir, honestly.

Why do I feel this way? You probably aren't interested, but I guess I'll briefly explain.
Life isn't perfect. Schools aren't perfect. No workplace or environment is ever truly flawless.
Because of that, I don't feel any particular need to keep my child wrapped in a bubble or demand accountability from every single person they encounter who doesn't perform their job to an exacting standard.
A child eventually learns that there are good people and bad people, lazy teachers and dedicated ones, polite clerks and rude ones.
Regarding schools specifically, whatever they actually care about, they can likely pick up throughout their lives without needing a teacher to be one hundred percent engaged at all times. Similarly, the things they aren't naturally gifted at or simply find boring, they probably won't master even with the most brilliant instructor on the planet.
So, I don't view any of this through a particularly fatalistic or nihilistic lens.
There's a bit of everything in the world, and I guess you just have to accept that.
The one thing I would never tolerate, though, is anyone mistreating a child or being outright disrespectful toward them.
But teaching and the transfer of knowledge is such a complex, multi-dimensional thing that I don't see the point in losing my cool over every poorly explained lesson or misunderstood lecture.

Anyway, I hope that clarifies things for you.
velvetskipper11 velvetskipper11 Member
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#150 ·
Nicholas King said:Oh, please—why don't you do us all a favor and actually post a link to these "scientific proofs" you're so confidently citing?

Teachers aren't the ones forcing masks on children; rather, it is a collective decision made by the CDC, medical science and common sense—the very things you and your crowd seem to love invoking so enthusiastically.

And it isn't about protecting themselves, either—it's about protecting everyone as a whole.

In schools, and honestly everywhere else, we really shouldn't have to deal with people who casually toss out those "oh, that's just how it works in a marriage... excuse me, I mean school" type of nonsense—claiming it's somehow impossible for kids to follow epidemiological protocols because, well, kids are just... unpredictable or whatever.

First. 🤦

Look, just do me a favor—pop "effects of wearing masks on health" into Google. You’ll get plenty of scientific studies showing the damage to lung function, heart rate, body temperature, and so on. Honestly, you have to be incredibly dense not to see that this isn't a natural state for a human being. You're essentially putting up a barrier right where bacteria can build up in front of the respiratory system that delivers our oxygen. And without oxygen? Well, you die in ten minutes. Simple as that.
Look, being able to breathe without restriction is the alpha and omega of life. Personally, I don't need a stack of scientific studies to tell me that—if you do, though, I’d suggest running a little experiment at home. It’s pretty easy to do on your own.

I just finished digging through this study on the NCBI database—basically a deep dive into how various respiratory issues and systemic inflammation play out during viral outbreaks. It’s a heavy read, but the data is pretty clear: we aren't just looking at localized lung problems; there's a massive, interconnected web between respiratory distress and broader inflammatory responses throughout the body. The researchers spent quite a bit of time analyzing how certain biomarkers spike—it’s that classic "cytokine storm" scenario where the body’s own defense system starts acting like a loose cannon. It reminds me of those old OSHA reports I used to skim back when I worked in industrial safety—sometimes the very thing meant to protect you ends up being the biggest liability if the settings aren't exactly right. A few takeaways from the paper: — The correlation between specific inflammatory markers and severe outcomes is statistically significant—not just a coincidence. — There's a noticeable pattern in how different age groups react—the immune response isn't a monolith. — The implications for long-term recovery are worth noting—this isn't always a "get in, get out" kind of illness. It’s a solid piece of science, though it’s definitely not light reading for a Friday afternoon. If you have the patience for dense methodology and complex statistical modeling, it’s worth the time. Just don't expect any easy answers—science usually prefers to leave us with more questions than we started with.

I’ve been digging through this research paper on pandemic modeling—specifically looking at how infectious diseases spread through social networks. It’s dense stuff, but there are some interesting takeaways regarding how we predict the next big outbreak. The core idea revolves around contact patterns and how much "noise" exists within a community during a crisis. Basically, if you don't account for how people actually interact—not just the theoretical math, but the real-world chaos of moving through a city like Chicago or New York—your models are going to be off. They tend to overestimate the speed of transmission because they assume everyone is equally likely to bump into everyone else. In reality, our social circles are much tighter and more fragmented. There's also a heavy focus on the role of super-spreaders. It isn't always about how many people you meet, but *who* those people are and how often they move between different social clusters. It’s a bit like how one bad flu season in a single high school can derail an entire county's health metrics. It’s a solid read if you have the patience for the heavy statistical lifting, but it serves as a necessary reality check for anyone who thinks a simple formula can predict human behavior. Mathematics is great, but humans are messy.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...92-020-01704-y

Before they even started pushing FFP masks, the Robert Koch Institute had instructions right there on their website—basically saying you could only wear them for a set amount of time before needing a break.
Similar guidelines regarding mask usage are standard components of any OSHA training course. Basically—you aren't supposed to wear them indefinitely, and anyone with half a brain knows that. So, I honestly don't see how anyone could argue that having kids wear masks for an entire class period followed by just a brief break is a viable strategy. Especially when they're essentially wearing them all day long.
The Robert Koch Institute just updated their guidelines on FFP respirators—standard stuff, really. It’s basically a breakdown of how these masks function and when you actually need them versus when you're just breathing through layers of unnecessary fabric. They lay out the technical specs for different levels of protection, which is useful if you're looking at OSHA standards or just trying to figure out what to grab at CVS. There's a lot of talk about filtration efficiency and fit—because let's face it, a mask that leaks around the nose is basically just a fancy chin strap. It’s pretty clinical, as expected. No fluff, just the data on how much particulate matter actually gets blocked. If you're someone who likes to overanalyze every piece of health advice, this is your new rabbit hole. Personally, I think most people overcomplicate it, but hey, if you want to read the deep science on why one filter works better than another, there it is.

Fourth—I never once said teachers were forcing kids to wear masks. Not anywhere. My issue was with that one user who’s celebrating the fact that her kids are wearing masks all day long just because she didn't catch a cold or the flu this year. That's not necessarily a win for her health—it's just a symptom of how much things have changed. Before the pandemic, if you caught a sniffle, you just dealt with it. You went to school, you went to work, you kept moving. Now? If you have a tiny cough, people look at you like you're carrying the plague and stay far away. People's behavior has shifted drastically, and it's not just about the masks being the reason she stayed healthy this season.

Fifth: And who exactly are "mine"? Are you talking about the Robert Koch Institute? Or maybe all those scientists from the dozens of studies I linked above—all those kids from that study in Vienna, or the ones who ended up filling out psychiatric wards in Vienna? If that’s what you mean, then YES, they are mine. I will always stand up for children who deserve a normal childhood and a decent education. You can go ahead and keep fighting to protect your own skin, but don't expect a round of applause—there's nothing noble about bowing down to irrational fears.
Hannah Stewart Hannah Stewart Member
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joined Feb 2023
#151 ·
Teaching can be a beautiful thing at times—noble, selfless, and filled with those intangible rewards—but I suppose we shouldn't fall into the trap of over-idealizing it. I’ve been an external consultant at a university for quite some time now, which means I work within the educational system, even if it isn't my primary profession. I feel quite fortunate that I teach adults who, ideally, have chosen their field of study with intention and purpose, yet I still find myself constantly battling that innate human tendency to seek the path of least resistance and look for shortcuts.

For instance, I spent a good portion of my morning going back and forth via email with a student who was practically begging me to reduce the reading list for her term paper. It’s a relatively simple task—she really just needs to skim a few books and read the specific sections relevant to her topic—but she claims she can't handle sitting in the library for long periods while wearing an FFP mask because it gives her headaches and leaves her feeling completely dazed and unwell. Since our classes are online, that part isn't an issue, but apparently, the library has become a total nightmare for her. So, what am I supposed to do? I advised her that she would need to submit a formal request to the University Student Services office so they could evaluate whether there is a legitimate medical reason to adjust her academic requirements; otherwise, I simply don't have any grounds to lower the standards for her assignment. That’s when the excuses started rolling in—claiming there wasn't a physical ailment per se, just that she feels this way "sometimes." Then came the inevitable, "Oh, wouldn't it be easier if there were a topic where all the literature was available as a PDF or online?" *Deep sigh.* Another round of emails begins...
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#152 ·
So, did everyone get hit by another massive wave of bans on that other thread, and now you're all just migrating over here?
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#153 ·
Honestly, it’s just exhausting—this colleague drops three different links, and what do we get? The first one is some tedious comparison of various mask types, the second dwells on FFP2 masks that absolutely nobody is forcing on children, and then the last two just wander off into subjective side effects—purely matters of perception, really. There isn't a single word mentioned regarding actual, severe health threats or any genuine psychological distress in kids.

I don't even see the point in going into a long-winded explanation here; I suppose she feels she has Robert Koch on her side, along with heaven knows who else.
Paul Kern12 Paul Kern12 Active Member
106 messages
joined Feb 2018
#154 ·
My partner mentioned that their teachers have already hinted at the possibility of moving classes online—though, granted, that's only for the seniors—and a girl I know from another high school said her teachers are saying the exact same thing. There’s also some very strong talk about an extension to the spring break (Spring Break/Easter period).

Does anyone happen to have any actual information?
nimbleranger17 nimbleranger17 Active Member
175 messages
joined Jan 2023
#155 ·
Honestly, those are just nothing more than the petty whispers and little rumors of a few professors...

I’m actually working on this project with a high school over in Chicago, where I’m scheduled to teach some live sessions during that first week right after the Easter break. We actually sat down this past Friday and hammered out the details with the teacher there; she’s fully on board with me coming into the building to teach the kids in person...
velvetskipper11 velvetskipper11 Member
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#156 ·
Nicholas King said:Honestly, it’s just exhausting—this colleague drops three different links, and what do we get? The first one is some tedious comparison of various mask types, the second dwells on FFP2 masks that absolutely nobody is forcing on children, and then the last two just wander off into subjective side effects—purely matters of perception, really. There isn't a single word mentioned regarding actual, severe health threats or any genuine psychological distress in kids.

I don't even see the point in going into a long-winded explanation here; I suppose she feels she has Robert Koch on her side, along with heaven knows who else.

There's really nothing to explain here. You aren't even in a position to be explaining anything. You have zero evidence to back up these insane claims.
Unless, of course, you have some peer-reviewed scientific paper proving your theory that masks are actually good for your health? Do you honestly think an OSHA manual suggests workers should wear masks indefinitely without breaks? WTF?
And I am certainly not your "colleague"—if my university had handed me a degree based on your logic, I’d burn mine immediately.

Everything you wrote above is a lie. I never once mentioned "serious health threats or psychological distress in children." I stated that masks are harmful and backed it up with facts—which is common knowledge. But sure, go ahead and try to lecture me, even if you're too tired to do it properly now. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Go ahead and mask your own kids while they sleep. Since you believe masks are healthy, I’m sure you’re more than capable of such things—though I doubt the rest of the civilized world would agree.
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
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#157 ·
Surgeons, anesthesiologists, surgical techs, scrub nurses... they’re all dropping like flies because they can't catch a breath under those masks.

If you or someone in your family ever needs surgery, I’d honestly suggest asking them to operate without a mask, just to ensure the doctor has enough oxygen to stay sharp during the procedure. You really don't want to risk a slip of the scalpel just because their breathing was restricted.

My goodness, you truly realize how much kids can change once you see who their parents actually are...
nimbleranger17 nimbleranger17 Active Member
175 messages
joined Jan 2023
#158 ·
Look, you have to understand the sheer, visceral reality of what’s happening in that operating room. When doctors and nurses suit up and pull those masks over their faces, it isn't some ritualistic performance or a way to hide from the patient's gaze—it's because they are quite literally opening up a human being. They are breaching the physical boundary of a person to access the interiority of the body itself. Do you actually grasp the gravity of that? It's a heavy thing, really, once you sit with it for a moment.

Do you truly grasp the sheer, astronomical scale of the risk involved when you allow your skin to be breached—when you actually open up the body's defenses—compared to the relative safety of keeping that biological barrier perfectly intact? It’s one thing to exist in a state of unbroken physical integrity, but the moment you introduce a laceration, you aren't just dealing with a wound; you're essentially throwing the doors wide open to every microscopic opportunist looking for a way in. I remember reading some old medical treatise once about how even a minor nick can become a gateway for disaster if you aren't careful, and it really makes you realize how much we rely on that thin layer of epidermis to keep the chaos of the outside world at bay. When that seal is broken, the statistical likelihood of infection doesn't just climb; it skyrockets.

Do you ever just sit back and truly wrap your head around the sheer, clinical coldness of it all? I mean, think about the reality of it: even when they are physically slicing through skin, exposing organs, and peering into the very depths of the human body, doctors and nurses keep those masks on for a strictly functional duration. It’s a matter of protocol, of course, but there is something deeply unsettling about the timing. They wear them for an hour, maybe two, or if things go sideways and become particularly grizzly, perhaps a few hours more. But the second the procedure is finished—the moment that last stitch is pulled tight—they simply toss the masks aside as if they were nothing more than used napkins. There is a strange, almost jarring transition from being a guardian of life amidst the most intimate biological chaos to someone who just wipes their face and moves on to the next task. It makes you wonder about the mental compartmentalization required to exist in that space.

Do you truly grasp the distinction between that and being forced to wear a mask around the clock? It’s a massive leap, really, and I find myself wondering if people actually weigh the nuance of such things before they start shouting from the rooftops. I remember back when I was working a grueling stretch in Chicago—long days, endless meetings, just constant vigilance—and even then, there were moments where the sheer weight of precaution felt less like safety and more like a heavy, suffocating shroud. It’s one thing to take a specific measure when the situation demands it, but it’s quite another to live under a perpetual state of restriction, breathing through layers of fabric until your face feels foreign to you. There is a profound psychological difference between a targeted response and a permanent lifestyle of concealment, though I suspect most folks are too caught up in the fervor of the moment to see the fine line drawn between them.

Do you truly grasp the profound psychological distinction between a newsstand clerk donning a mask for an eight-hour shift just to hand you the morning paper, versus a surgeon pulling one on right before they begin slicing through skin to operate on your vital organs? It’s a matter of intent and gravity, isn't it? One is a mere ritual of hygiene in a dusty corner of a subway station, while the other is the threshold of life and death itself.
Austin Garcia Austin Garcia Member
28 messages
joined Feb 2023
#159 ·
wanderingbadger44 said:Surgeons, anesthesiologists, surgical techs, scrub nurses... they’re all dropping like flies because they can't catch a breath under those masks.

If you or someone in your family ever needs surgery, I’d honestly suggest asking them to operate without a mask, just to ensure the doctor has enough oxygen to stay sharp during the procedure. You really don't want to risk a slip of the scalpel just because their breathing was restricted.

My goodness, you truly realize how much kids can change once you see who their parents actually are...

Bravo! That is such a brilliant comparison! 🤦

My goodness, kids seem so well-behaved and bright when you realize who is teaching them...

I personally wear my mask whenever it's necessary, but seeing how these so-called "professors" are educating people with logic like this... 😢
wanderingbadger44 wanderingbadger44 Active Member
215 messages
joined Feb 2023
#160 ·
I just don't see how the math works out. It feels impossible to believe that a kid who can't even keep a mask tucked under their chin for more than forty-five minutes at a time is suddenly expected to wear a heavy-duty surgical mask for six straight hours at school, much like a surgeon or an OR nurse would.

It’s a bit like how I used to naively assume surgeons were suited up in full gear every single day of their careers, when in reality, they really only pull those masks on when they're actually stepping into the operating room. 🤦

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