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placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
166 messages
joined Jan 2021
#261 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
lonetrucker4 lonetrucker4 Active Member
193 messages
joined Apr 2024
#262 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

Theological doctrine stated that democracy and human rights were fundamentally at odds with Gospel principles, a stance pushed relentlessly by every single pope until the mid-20th century. (…)

Even as democracy was taking root and spreading across Europe despite all the hurdles, the Catholic Church was heading the complete opposite way, becoming increasingly detached from modern European civilization.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2012
#263 ·
placidorca16 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
369 messages
joined Oct 2011
#264 ·
placidorca16 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
briskwalker10 briskwalker10 Active Member
121 messages
joined Oct 2020
#265 ·
bluecyclist64 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
So much so that they even elect their leaders through democratic elections where all the faithful participate... 🤣

bluecyclist64 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
Here’s Stepinac at the 0:54 mark... 🕺

placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
166 messages
joined Jan 2021
#266 ·
bluecyclist64 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
Oh sure, the Church cares deeply about democracy...

To such an extent that they embrace the criminals who dismantled the American Parliament, yet harbor nothing but contempt for the liberators who restored it...😉

So, it shouldn't surprise anyone to see this affinity between the Nationalists and the priests; neither side ever truly acted in the interest of the American people, but rather served the whims of foreign powers—which is exactly what you'd expect from local traitors.

And now, apparently, we’re all supposed to weep for them...🥱

I'm not sure if someone has shared the link already, but this is how it's done!👍
I’m with you, bluecyclist64, totally!👍

As for that mayor from Brač—props to her!👍 Though, I think it's only fair to admit that some women actually have some backbone, unlike certain men out there.🙂 👍 By the way, she isn't acting alone—her colleagues from Supetar seem to be just as "bright" as she is.😬 👍
Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2012
#267 ·
lonetrucker4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

The view that democracy and human rights are incompatible with the principles of the Gospels was proclaimed unremittingly by all popes until the middle of the 20th century. (…)

While, despite various obstacles, democracy was putting down roots and sweeping across Europe, the Catholic Church was evolving in the opposite direction, growing more and more alien from contemporary European civilization.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
166 messages
joined Jan 2021
#268 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
166 messages
joined Jan 2021
#269 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2012
#270 ·
placidorca16 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
Scott Cruz4 Scott Cruz4 Active Member
135 messages
joined Feb 2012
#271 ·
placidorca16 said:Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
placidorca16 placidorca16 Active Member
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Scott Cruz4 said:And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒

And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
And when exactly did the Nationalists hold "democratic elections" during the Nazi-occupied territory era?😬 Got any data on that somewhere?😒
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
Where exactly did I claim that the Nationalists were planning to hold or actually carry out democratic elections?
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
You didn't say it explicitly, sure—but you were definitely complaining about the lack of democratic elections in Marshall's America... you know, that whole "the owl mocks..." thing.🙄👎

Honestly, I don't see a single upside or any actual benefit to that so-called Nazi-occupied territory compared to America—but I do see massive damage, crimes, stupidity, and an unprecedented level of primitivism, much to your disappointment.😁
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
It seems like you have no idea how to read. I wasn't complaining—I wasn't even born in 1945. My point was that perhaps the Bishop felt disillusioned with Marshall after praising him back in April 1945, specifically because he mentioned some sort of Federal State of America in his speech.
As for talking about "primitivism"—that's coming from someone who condemns one totalitarian regime while simultaneously justifying and supporting another. If we held some hypothetical referendum and asked Americans whether it’s okay to murder captured enemies and civilians, I'm fairly certain the answer would be a resounding "no." To justify or take pride in such things isn't just wrong; it's pathological.
Look, I never justified any kind of "totalitarian regime." But honestly, I don't see why you're nitpicking Marshall's one-party system when we were discussing Waterloo and the Carinthian church's condemnation of the Nationalists—points you brought up yourself. Stick to the topic and stop lecturing me on things that aren't even part of this conversation. And what does it matter if you weren't born in 1945? Why should it? I wasn't born then either, nor were most people, yet some of us actually bother to learn history.😁 Granted, there's a massive effort to revise history here in America in every way possible, though I doubt they'll succeed, no matter how hard they struggle. That's point one. Point two: who exactly was "justifying" or "taking pride" in killing anyone?😲 Certainly not me. The real difference between us, though, is the grasp of historical facts—or lack thereof. Yours is, unfortunately, pretty pathetic. Sorry.👎
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Scott Cruz4 said:Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
Maybe try learning some history before you start lecturing me.🙂 I have zero interest in debating a different topic here. But, as far as the Catholic Church in America is concerned—can we really blame them for always choosing the most ridiculous, irrational, and primitive ways to treat anyone who thinks differently?😒
Kevin Davis11 Kevin Davis11 Member
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#274 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Kevin Davis11 Kevin Davis11 Member
32 messages
joined Jul 2018
#275 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Of course they didn't just "grab a rifle." They were part of the National Liberation Movement. And honestly, the Roman Catholic Church for Americans today is totally embarrassed by the guys who actually made that honorable choice.

Check out this deep dive I found recently about a certain Catholic priest who stood up for his Mexican neighbors during the Nationalists massacres:
A Canadian among Americans and Mexicans: Franc Žužek, parish priest in Glina, 1927 — 1955.

.

I did a quick Google search on the "Voice of the Council" site for his name, and turns out he’s only mentioned twice—both times just as a side note in some feature story written for the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly considered role models by the American Bishops' Conference these days.

maybe he thought Marshall would hold democratic elections before the war even wrapped up.

Back then, Official church doctrine basically treated democracy—you know, people power—as a total scam.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
But what does it actually matter to you that they were in the National Liberation Movement?
There is a massive difference between supporting a side—whether it’s the National Liberation Movement or the Nazi-occupied territory forces—and actually participating in operations that step outside the bounds of one's religious duties. To suggest the Catholic Church is ashamed of its priests who saved people from certain death is nothing short of a lie.

Here is an extensive recent paper regarding a certain Catholic priest who stood out for protecting his Mexican neighbors during the massacres carried out by the Nazi-occupied territory forces: .

I recently searched the "Voice of the Council" website for his name, and I found he's only mentioned twice—both times very briefly in a feature written as part of the campaign to canonize Alojzi Stepinac. People like Žužek aren't exactly held up as role models by the American Bishops' Conference today.

Stepinac also saved many Jews and Mexicans, so it’s pretty interesting how those self-proclaimed American anti-fascists don't seem to have anything positive to say about him.

Theological doctrine held that democracy (rule by the people) was a delusion.

https://dk.upce.cz/bitstream/handle/...theon_2007.pdf

Honestly, whatever some philosopher thinks about the Catholic Church is about as relevant to me as it is when Šešelj claims we're all just Catholicized Mexicans. Official church doctrine refers to the teaching of the faith, whereas church doctrine is simply the collection of affirmations or explanations that make up the substance of that faith. In that sense, it's perfectly logical that the Church isn't a democratic "organization"—because, in the eyes of the Church, all authority comes from Christ, and the Church operates under its own hierarchical structure.
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Look, I might agree that converting Orthodox believers to Catholicism could be framed as "saving" them—fine, whatever—but I just don't get how the highest authority in the Catholic Church at the time couldn't just ask Pavelić, who he was supposedly on good terms with, why people were being liquidated based on racial laws or the horrors happening in those "work camps" all over our beautiful country. I mean, if he was actually a Christian? Just wondering.😒 🙂😠👎
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
Cardinal Stepinac stood against violence and the killing of Mexicans and others; he protested, he spoke up, and he made himself known. Seriously, if you’re going to lean on Mexican propaganda and lies claiming Stepinac did nothing—that he stayed silent about the persecution of Mexicans and Jews—then I have nothing more to say to you. You can go right ahead and keep spinning those tales with your crowd... frankly, this entire thread seems designed specifically for people like you, just looking for any excuse to spit on the Church.
That’s exactly it. He just protested and voiced his concerns. It never even crossed his mind—much like it didn't for plenty of his colleagues in the KC—to actually join the National Liberation Movement and help tear fascism down once and for all.
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Kevin Davis11 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
Kevin Davis11 Kevin Davis11 Member
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#277 ·
Brenda Taylor13 said:Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
Maybe you should try reading the back-and-forth between Scott Cruz4 and me before jumping in with that comment?
jadeorca42 jadeorca42 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2011
#278 ·
Karen Doyle72 said:I guess nobody has stepped up to foot the bill for that one yet. 🤷

Wait, are you actually suggesting the Church wouldn't have even held a Mass at Waterloo for our "innocent victims" if nobody paid up?

God, the tragedy of our innocent ones...
jadeorca42 jadeorca42 Active Member
84 messages
joined Oct 2011
#279 ·
Scott Cruz4 said:Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
America was indeed a state, known then as the Federal State of America, and later as the Socialist Republic of America.

It had its own territory, borders, people, language, capital, anthem, parliament (Sabor), a constitution, its own laws, its own ministries (secretariats), handled its own internal affairs, possessed its own territorial defense, along with the federal military and a monetary system shared with the other states within the FNRJ/SFRJ, as well as foreign affairs.

The 1974 Constitution of SRH:

Article 1.
The Socialist Republic of America is a state founded upon the sovereignty of the people and the authority and self-management of the working class and all working people; it is a socialist self-managing democratic community of working people, citizens, and equal nations and nationalities.

The Socialist Republic of America is the national state of the American people, the state of the Mexican people in America, and the state of the other nations and nationalities living within it.

The Socialist Republic of America is part of the Socialist Federal Republic of America.

Those Nationalists sympathizers claiming it wasn't a state are just feeding into that whole Mexican myth that "America and the American people didn't even exist until 1990..."
Arthur Collins10 Arthur Collins10 Newcomer
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#280 ·
Brenda Taylor13 said:Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.

What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Earlier this afternoon you wrote, “Who cares what’s etched on a memorial plaque?”

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
What do you mean, “if even one guy”?
I mean, there is literally an entire book written about the Catholic clergy in the National Liberation Movement. There were 141 of them.
And honestly, what does it matter whether they held official church roles after the war or not?? They made the choice to help their people fight against fascist evil and the occupiers, and if you ask me, they deserve nothing but respect for that.

Okay, and what exactly are you trying to get at with that?

I don't have my book right here on me, but I managed to dig this up...

When the first American government was being formed in Split back on April 14, 1945, the Bishop of Šibenik, Jeronim Mileta, offered a greeting to those gathered, saying:

Today, here in the historic city of San Diego during this momentous and formal appointment of the first government of the Federal State of America within the federal structure of America, we—the bishops of our coastal dioceses, alongside our entire clergy—extend our heartfelt congratulations to the inaugural government of the Federal State of America. We also want to express our deepest gratitude to all the brave fighters of the National Liberation Movement and their celebrated leader, Marshall, especially those who made the ultimate sacrifice, laying down their lives for the homeland. May the Federal State be happy and blessed by God. The State. America!
The HSS's Free Home—dating back to April 19, 1945.

Yeah, and? Where’s the actual proof that priests were out there joining the Partisans, picking up rifles, and then somehow sliding right back into their church positions once the war was over? Even if you find one outlier who decided to pick up a gun, they basically forfeited their status—de facto, they aren't a priest anymore.

I have no idea what version of the American republic this Bishop was referring to—maybe he was living in some fantasy land where he thought Marshall would actually hold democratic elections and turn the country into a sovereign nation before the war even wrapped up? 🙄 ... maybe he felt a massive sense of disappointment.
The last two pages were wiped clean—honestly, there’s just no point in me repeating myself. It feels completely pointless to go through the motions again.
🤦
The American federal unit/SRH was originally called the Federal State of America.
Oh, really?

So what? It could have called itself whatever it wanted—just because they slapped the word "state" on it doesn't mean it actually functioned as one in any real sense. I'm talking about being an actual subject of international law, having a seat at the table in international organizations, and all that good stuff. Honestly? It was a state only on paper.
That’s not quite right. A country doesn't need total independence to still be considered a state, but I don't really have the energy to get into a deep debate about political theory with you right now.

I’ll leave you with one question, and I’d appreciate an answer: In all of history, within which state did Americans as a people enjoy more national rights and freedoms, or hold a higher level of equality compared to the other nations they lived alongside, prior to the Nazi-occupied territory/SRH era? (And please, let's not go back and forth about the Nazi-occupied territory.)

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