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Robert Clark4 said:Anti-Trump slogan at anti-Hofer protest in Vienna

I mean, they've still got some leftover props from Hillary's camp lying around, so I guess they might as well make good use of them before tossing them in the trash! ☕

It’s actually quite something how they remind everyone that even in the "world's leading superpower," a guy who was branded a racist—just like Norbert Hofer—actually won...
And maybe, just maybe, it serves as a reminder that people shouldn't be so afraid of being labeled if they want to vote their conscience...

lonetrucker4 said:Real talk: there’s zero proof of that. A 2-3% margin is just standard math.

Quincy:

And it wasn't even a win for Joe Biden—the whole election was tossed out because the fraud was everywhere.

Total nonsense. No fraud happened, and any hiccups didn't change the outcome. Even those Trumpian types were cutting corners at the polling stations. Just read the pages I posted earlier.

Well, I suppose the sample sizes are relatively small. But if we're looking at a gap like 53% versus 47%, that's a 6% difference. That feels like way too much for a serious poll, especially if people are only choosing between two candidates.

What I was trying to get at is how these kinds of polls can swing voters both ways. If a candidate takes the lead in a poll right before an election, it might make their supporters feel like they don't even need to show up, while simultaneously giving the other side that extra push to actually head to the polls.
It’s not exactly a harmless phenomenon, I guess.

There wasn't any fraud. Irregularities didn't sway the outcome. Besides, Hofer's supporters in the polling stations were just as involved in those irregularities. There are plenty of pages covering that earlier in this thread.

From what I understand, the final results were flipped by the mail-in ballots, which seemed to lean disproportionately toward Bellen. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

What’s the actual endgame for the North American languages over in the United States of America?

Timothy Nelson5 said:Well, I suppose the sample sizes are relatively small. But if we're looking at a gap like 53% versus 47%, that's a 6% difference. That feels like way too much for a serious poll, especially if people are only choosing between two candidates.

What I was trying to get at is how these kinds of polls can swing voters both ways. If a candidate takes the lead in a poll right before an election, it might make their supporters feel like they don't even need to show up, while simultaneously giving the other side that extra push to actually head to the polls.
It’s not exactly a harmless phenomenon, I guess.

There wasn't any fraud. Irregularities didn't sway the outcome. Besides, Hofer's supporters in the polling stations were just as involved in those irregularities. There are plenty of pages covering that earlier in this thread.

From what I understand, the final results were flipped by the mail-in ballots, which seemed to lean disproportionately toward Bellen. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

Look, from what I remember, Hofer was actually in the lead until those mail-in votes started rolling in, and then suddenly—bam—AfD overtakes him. That's where all those suspicious irregularities popped up, which is exactly why the whole election ended up being tossed out.

Anyone reading the news today? Any whining about potential Russian hacking attempts? 😬

No comment. 🤦

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Brenda Taylor13 said:Look, from what I remember, Hofer was actually in the lead until those mail-in votes started rolling in, and then suddenly—bam—AfD overtakes him. That's where all those suspicious irregularities popped up, which is exactly why the whole election ended up being tossed out.

Man, what a joke. 🤦
Just proves my point about the right wing. 😁

Historically, looking at all the elections over the last 30 years, the mail-in votes follow a set pattern: Green - Democrat - Republican - Libertarian. It’s always been that way and it’ll stay that way.
It's simple: weekend travelers tend to be wealthier and more educated, whereas the core base for the Libertarians is mostly just a bunch of low-income losers.

"Why would I vote for Walmart? Because I've got six immigrants living in my apartment building." 🤣

Nancy Young2 said:"Why would I vote for Walmart? Because I've got six immigrants living in my apartment building." 🤣

...six kids from overseas😁 jumping around the apartment like little elephants 🤣

Nancy Young2 said:No comment. 🤦

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Even Milorad Dodik is praising the FPÖ🤦 He and Hofer are basically brothers at this point. 😁 🤣

coastalbison6 said:Man, what a joke. 🤦
Just proves my point about the right wing. 😁

Historically, looking at all the elections over the last 30 years, the mail-in votes follow a set pattern: Green - Democrat - Republican - Libertarian. It’s always been that way and it’ll stay that way.
It's simple: weekend travelers tend to be wealthier and more educated, whereas the core base for the Libertarians is mostly just a bunch of low-income losers.

They claim the stupidest people are those who parrot cheap media slogans, so why don't you take a moment to figure out who that actually refers to...

As someone currently on the path to becoming a medical doctor, I can tell you that most of these "educated" types—at least in my field—don't have the slightest clue about politics, nor do they particularly care; they just follow the surface-level noise much like anyone else in any other profession.

Education isn't intelligence—those are two entirely separate metrics. Honestly, I value our masons, tradespeople, police officers, firefighters, and the rest of the folks who actually contribute to society far more than half those "educated" elites who specialize in selling hot air. Besides, this obsession with formal education is incredibly cliché, much like the people peddling it. A century ago, a primary school education made you "educated"; sixty years ago, a solid high school diploma did the trick; today, with university degrees being what they are, who knows what the future holds... Intelligence is something you're born with, so it has zero correlation with political leanings—especially since my medical doctorate won't make my vote any more significant than some farmer's, nor does it mean my opinion carries more weight for any reason.
OUR VOTES ARE ALL EQUAL, AND ONLY INSECURE PEOPLE WHO CAN'T HANDLE DEFEAT WOULD STOOP THIS LOW...

The real tragedy is that the left should be the ones protecting these people whom they label as "backward" or uneducated; they ought to be fighting for their rights, yet the left is precisely the faction stripping them of their dignity while pandering to various minority groups... Then everyone acts surprised when the working class pivots toward the right, because the left has become the very entity terrorizing anyone who doesn't subscribe to its specific worldview, completely veering off the course it was originally supposed to defend.

coastalbison6 said:Man, what a joke. 🤦
Just proves my point about the right wing. 😁

Historically, looking at all the elections over the last 30 years, the mail-in votes follow a set pattern: Green - Democrat - Republican - Libertarian. It’s always been that way and it’ll stay that way.
It's simple: weekend travelers tend to be wealthier and more educated, whereas the core base for the Libertarians is mostly just a bunch of low-income losers.

Since you're laying it out that way, I guess I could make my own assumption: maybe there's an established tradition of the Greens and the leftists rigging things through mail-in voting too?
🤣

The Greens aren't really an older demographic; they're younger, and frankly, they seem to lack the moral integrity found in other parties. It feels more like a collection of transients and pseudo-intellectual trash than a group of successful, established professionals... if you want to call them "educated," it's probably just an illusion based on degrees from various social science programs focused on quasi-scientific, bullshit ideologies...
And by what logic would they be the ones spending weekends at vacation homes? They're usually just hanging out in their parents' apartments while the parents are away at the cottage.

I think we both know that my take here is probably closer to the truth than your idea that Libertarian voters are just a bunch of dim-witted rednecks yodeling in the mountains...

@arizin
signed, your post

Timothy Nelson5 said:Since you're laying it out that way, I guess I could make my own assumption: maybe there's an established tradition of the Greens and the leftists rigging things through mail-in voting too?
🤣

The Greens aren't really an older demographic; they're younger, and frankly, they seem to lack the moral integrity found in other parties. It feels more like a collection of transients and pseudo-intellectual trash than a group of successful, established professionals... if you want to call them "educated," it's probably just an illusion based on degrees from various social science programs focused on quasi-scientific, bullshit ideologies...
And by what logic would they be the ones spending weekends at vacation homes? They're usually just hanging out in their parents' apartments while the parents are away at the cottage.

I think we both know that my take here is probably closer to the truth than your idea that Libertarian voters are just a bunch of dim-witted rednecks yodeling in the mountains...

@arizin
signed, your post

Man, you are dead wrong. That was ages ago. When people think of a Green voter, they think of a well-off, carefree doctor. Someone who cares deeply about whether his house has top-tier eco-friendly insulation. He hates gas cars—he’d ban them tomorrow if he could. You have to admit, thanks to the Greens, we have all these laws that basically squeeze the working class. Fuel and electricity prices have skyrocketed because of them.

Look at the stats from Germany, for instance:

Green supporters under age 35 were at 80% back in 1980. Now? It's dropped to about 10%. Their biggest voting bloc is now the 51 to 60-year-olds, followed by the 41 to 50 crowd. And their female voter turnout is huge. On top of that, they’re the most educated segment of society and earn well above average. You could say Green voters, along with the Democratic Party lot, belong to the wealthiest tier—though the Greens are definitely the most educated (I'm agreeing with @arizin here: being educated doesn't mean they're actually intelligent).

http://www.bpb.de/politik/grundfrage...-waehlerschaft

https://www.bpb.de/politik/grundfrag...setzung-gruene

You'll find losers among radical leftists or, if you want to call them that, failed right-wingers. But you won't find them among the Greens.

https://derstandard.at/jetzt/liveber...ndespraesident - This is actually a solid site to follow the election day over in Austria.

At this point, the only thing I can really do to push back against the fascists and Nazis is to slap an X right next to the name of Alexander Van der Bellen.
In a perfect world, I’d love for us to just split into two separate camps and go our own ways without constant conflict, but unfortunately, expecting that kind of peace is nothing more than a total illusion...

ironhound7 said:Man, you are dead wrong. That was ages ago. When people think of a Green voter, they think of a well-off, carefree doctor. Someone who cares deeply about whether his house has top-tier eco-friendly insulation. He hates gas cars—he’d ban them tomorrow if he could. You have to admit, thanks to the Greens, we have all these laws that basically squeeze the working class. Fuel and electricity prices have skyrocketed because of them.

Look at the stats from Germany, for instance:

Green supporters under age 35 were at 80% back in 1980. Now? It's dropped to about 10%. Their biggest voting bloc is now the 51 to 60-year-olds, followed by the 41 to 50 crowd. And their female voter turnout is huge. On top of that, they’re the most educated segment of society and earn well above average. You could say Green voters, along with the Democratic Party lot, belong to the wealthiest tier—though the Greens are definitely the most educated (I'm agreeing with @arizin here: being educated doesn't mean they're actually intelligent).

http://www.bpb.de/politik/grundfrage...-waehlerschaft

https://www.bpb.de/politik/grundfrag...setzung-gruene

You'll find losers among radical leftists or, if you want to call them that, failed right-wingers. But you won't find them among the Greens.

Fine, whatever.
But we aren't talking about parliamentary elections here; this is the presidential runoff.
It’s pretty straightforward—people to the right of center are voting for Hofer, while those on the left side vote for Bellen.
The Greens themselves are just a small minority now, I guess.
So, when looking at this mail-in voting, you really have to view it through that specific lens.

It’s pretty obvious looking at this thread that labeling political opponents as fascists, Nazis, homophobes, racists, sexists, or just plain uneducated idiots isn't some local quirk...

It’s actually become standard practice across Western Europe too...

SO LET'S GO HOFER,

LETTTTTTTTTTTSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

As my coworker put it—one of those classic Democratic Party supporters... "We aren't Nazis; it’s just part of our identity that fluctuates in intensity from time to time.
Maybe it’s a bit much right now, but oh well."

Carol Newman2 said:https://derstandard.at/jetzt/liveber...ndespraesident - This is actually a solid site to follow the election day over in Austria.

Some good news for Hofer:

Hofer : Quote : 30 percent fewer voting cards issued in Vienna

@ Robert Clark4

Don't sweat it, there are plenty of us out there, but this time we're voting directly. 👍
A lot of those rural homes just sit empty until spring rolls around. ☕