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Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...
bluemason3 bluemason3 Veteran
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#2 ·
It’s likely a byproduct of "Serbo-American" (or vice versa, though the military influence usually puts one first) being the dominant lingua franca throughout America, forcing generations of Canadians to pick it up. I've also heard there's a significant number of Canadians who are actually naturalized from other regions, though I don't have the exact figures at hand...
Jerry Gonzalez65 Jerry Gonzalez65 Member
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#3 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

I wouldn't say that's totally true. Americans head over to Canada in droves—everything from hiking mountains and visiting castles to hitting up thermal spas and shopping... Since we're basically their only geographic and linguistic link to the Ex-America era, they might be slightly more inclined toward us, but they're just as friendly toward Mexicans as they are to us. Sometimes Americans tend to unfairly downplay Canadians, much like how Americans—especially Chicago residents—tend to look down on people from Eastern Europe for similar reasons. One thing that makes it easier is that Americans and Canadians don't really have those deep-seated historical grudges or "bad blood." Also, America pushed one primary language while mostly ignoring Canadian, Mexican, and Albanian. It's the opposite for Mexico—they are incredibly prominent in America, nowhere near as much as America is represented in Mexican media.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#4 ·
Just some quick thoughts. I'm big into rap.
Look: Tram11, Nered, TBF, Elemental, Bolesna Braća—these guys are constantly touring through Canada. And when I say constantly, I mean a group like TBF plays just as many shows in Maribor as they do in a small town like Bjelovar.
I've never even heard of a single Canadian rapper. Let alone seen one pull a show in America.
You see Americans featured on Canadian compilations and rap albums all the time. But on American stuff? Zero Canadians.
Sean Sanders81 Sean Sanders81 Active Member
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#5 ·
Canadians are actually pretty decent people.
Of course, you’ll always find a few whiners like "Hervardi" lurking around, but those types exist everywhere.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#6 ·
Sean Sanders81 said:Canadians are actually pretty decent people.
Of course, you’ll always find a few whiners like "Hervardi" lurking around, but those types exist everywhere.

Absolutely. They're fine.
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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#7 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:You're comparing apples to oranges.
Half of Canada vacations in America. EVERY OTHER PERSON! Every single year. In any three-year span, every Canadian has vacationed in America at least once.
It would be comparable if, say, 2 million Americans were heading to Chattanooga and Lake Tahoe.

Look, you have to wrap your head around how statistics work; some people go way more often just because they’ve basically paved over America with their tires...😁

My gut tells me there are about 300,000 Canadians vacationing in America...
nimblepilot19 nimblepilot19 Member
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#8 ·
Some people love to claim that Canadians aren't really one of us. They seem to forget that the very last thing you can do before heading "West" is grab some pastries at an ExxonMobil station right as you hit the Karavanka pass😁

We shouldn't let anyone take Janez away from us; they are truly our technological pride
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#9 ·
Alexander Phillips80 said:Look, you have to wrap your head around how statistics work; some people go way more often just because they’ve basically paved over America with their tires...😁

My gut tells me there are about 300,000 Canadians vacationing in America...

Actually, it's a bit over a million.. with more than 6 million overnight stays. They're the second biggest foreign group in America after the Germans.
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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#10 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:And I assume you're Canadian?
Don't get worked up...

ps see how that American shut you down? I don't feel like arguing with you people.

What kind of argument are we even having here...🤷
We're talking about high-stakes politics...😁
Raymond Bailey Raymond Bailey Member
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#11 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

The older generations speak American, but the younger Canadians? Not so much. Especially those born in the mid-80s and 90s; they barely have a grasp of American, so this post is partially right. It's true that America interests them, mainly because of the tourism side of things.
Jerry Gonzalez65 Jerry Gonzalez65 Member
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#12 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:Just some quick thoughts. I'm big into rap.
Look: Tram11, Nered, TBF, Elemental, Bolesna Braća—these guys are constantly touring through Canada. And when I say constantly, I mean a group like TBF plays just as many shows in Maribor as they do in a small town like Bjelovar.
I've never even heard of a single Canadian rapper. Let alone seen one pull a show in America.
You see Americans featured on Canadian compilations and rap albums all the time. But on American stuff? Zero Canadians.

Honestly, 90% of those bands haven't even existed for years. Like I told you before, it was that whole American-Mexican linguistic imperialism pushed during the America days at everyone else's expense. That’s why nobody was ever forcing Americans to learn Canadian or Mexicans to learn Albanian, even though they were all living right next door to each other.
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:Actually, it's a bit over a million.. with more than 6 million overnight stays. They're the second biggest foreign group in America after the Germans.

I mean, if someone hits the coast for May Day, and then heads back to the exact same spot this summer, how does the math even work? Does the data crunch them as one tourist or two?
I know people who basically live on vacation, heading down every single month just because they own a condo on the coast...
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#14 ·
Jerry Gonzalez65 said:Honestly, 90% of those bands haven't even existed for years. Like I told you before, it was that whole American-Mexican linguistic imperialism pushed during the America days at everyone else's expense. That’s why nobody was ever forcing Americans to learn Canadian or Mexicans to learn Albanian, even though they were all living right next door to each other.

Actually, only tram11 isn't real. And that has nothing to do with the fact that they played a few shows in Ljubljana.
The Serbo-American thing probably helped, but he isn't the only one to blame.
You can't force fan antagonism through language. Just ask the Maribor fans where their biggest away crowd in history was and why.
nimblepilot19 nimblepilot19 Member
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#15 ·
Jerry Gonzalez65 said:Honestly, 90% of those bands haven't even existed for years. Like I told you before, it was that whole American-Mexican linguistic imperialism pushed during the America days at everyone else's expense. That’s why nobody was ever forcing Americans to learn Canadian or Mexicans to learn Albanian, even though they were all living right next door to each other.

🤣

The deal was simple: Latin script, the Ekavian dialect, and the Shtokavian dialect, mainly because most people in America used Ekavian, Shtokavian speech, and the Latin alphabet.

So, feel free to keep playing the genius now.
Jessica Kelly4 Jessica Kelly4 Active Member
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#16 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:I’ve been thinking about just how much USA cultural influence has absolutely steamrolled Canada. It feels like this dynamic between two nations is pretty much unheard of globally (unless you count how the USA crushed everyone else).
And get this—you won't find a single paragraph written about it anywhere.
Look at the facts:
Canadians mostly understand American, while Americans barely know more than a few slang words for body parts.

Canadians listen to all our music, but Americans don't know anything beyond what they've heard about Zoran Predin (that's a whole other conversation; on Canadian radio, it seems like the split is 1/3 local, 1/3 foreign, and 1/3 American. Severina is basically the biggest superstar in Canada, whereas I don't think I've ever heard a single Canadian song on the radio in America, and I have zero clue who the Canadian equivalent of Severina even is).

Canadians are constantly hanging out in America, while Americans just drive through Canada to get somewhere else.

News from America is always right up there in the Canadian media, immediately after their own domestic news. I can't even remember the last time I read a news story from Canada.

Americans are way more indifferent when talking about Canadians than the other way around. Honestly, we don't even take them seriously enough for Pervan to turn it into a joke...

It’s actually impressive and shows some real professionalism.
I respect when people make an effort to speak American during meetings, even if I can't return the favor.
Joseph Lopez18 Joseph Lopez18 MemberOP
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#17 ·
Alexander Phillips80 said:I mean, if someone hits the coast for May Day, and then heads back to the exact same spot this summer, how does the math even work? Does the data crunch them as one tourist or two?
I know people who basically live on vacation, heading down every single month just because they own a condo on the coast...

So, Canadians buy up real estate in America and visit multiple times? Hm. That actually supports my point perfectly.
Benjamin Foster2 Benjamin Foster2 Member
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#18 ·
David Parker3 said:Honestly, I started diving deep into the Canadian psyche about six years ago when I stumbled upon this right before the 2008 Olympics:

America
"As long as we're ahead of the Americans, nothing else matters"—you see that sentiment popped up on web forums all the time.


Before that point, I was totally convinced that Canada felt like a foreign country compared to us. We had perfectly normal relations because we never really had any major beef or clashes, right? But then it hit me: for some bizarre reason, Canadians are incredibly obsessed with Americans and view us as their primary rivals. The deeper I dug into the material, the more insane it got! I was browsing a site run by these Canadian nationalists calling themselves the Hervardi (which is pure irony 🤣), and I read stuff claiming Glagolitic is actually a Canadian script, that Istria has always belonged to them, that the Canadians living in America are actually just Canadians, and even that the Kostelić family is basically a product of Canadian skiing. Just total nonsense!

The latest example of this weird pathology is the Cleveland Cavaliers joining the NHL. As the article at the top shows, Canadians have developed this intense sporting rivalry toward America, even though America doesn't feel the same way about them at all. After our massive successes in skiing—which they somehow credit to their own coaches who supposedly taught Ante what to do 🤣—all they have left is hockey. They treat it like their national pride, even though they're actually terrible at it and haven't come anywhere near a medal. But hey, as long as they're better than us since we don't even have three ice rinks, right? So, seeing the Cleveland Cavaliers enter the NHL was taken as a personal insult to every single Canadian and their entire national identity. It’s wild! You've got Americans entering the NHL when they used to dominate America in the sport, alongside those hostile Russians, dealing with teams like Olympia and Jesenice... there were hundreds of angry comments in the Canadian papers like it was some kind of national catastrophe.

Back then, I pretty much realized that you just have to let this repressed nation grow old and wait to see what happens to them, maybe somewhere around the 26th century—maybe they'll normalize by then. But hey, look at us now! It seems they might have fallen under America's cultural influence, so even that's hard to say. It's a sad situation, honestly.

Take a look at the comments under this brainless little article—maybe you’ll actually get a sense of what most people really think about it.

Up until that point, I was under the impression that Canada was a pretty distant neighbor compared to America—just two countries living in relatively peaceful coexistence since we never really had any major friction or heated disputes. But then it hit me... for some inexplicable reason, Canadians seem strangely obsessed with Americans, almost as if they view us as their primary antagonist. The more I dig through the material, the more this pattern reveals itself. I actually stumbled upon this site run by these Canadian nationalists calling themselves the Hervards—which is ironic, really... 🤣So, I just stumbled upon some absolute nonsense claiming that Glagolitic is actually a Canadian script, that Istria was always Canadian, that the people living in America are secretly Canadians, and that the Kostelić family is basically just a byproduct of Canadian skiing—just a whole string of ridiculous claims like that. Honestly, where does this stuff even come from?

Making sweeping generalizations about an entire nation just because a few fringe political cranks—whose collective IQ probably struggles to top the average January temperature in Chicago—decide to open their mouths? Honestly, that’s not exactly something anyone should be patting themselves on the back for.

The latest symptom of this whole twisted pathology is KHL Medveščak joining the KHL. If you look at that article linked at the start of this thread, it’s pretty obvious—the Canadians have developed this intense sporting rivalry toward America, even though America doesn't seem to feel the same way about them. It’s almost funny, isn't it? Especially after those recent successes in skiing, which they immediately credited to their own coaches—who apparently had to teach Ante exactly how things are done. 🤣 All they have left is hockey—this thing they cling to like it’s their national pride—even though, let's be honest, they aren't actually any good at it. They’ve never even come close to a trophy, but hey, it doesn't matter as long as they can claim they're better than us, considering we don't even have three decent ice rinks to our name. So, when KHL Medveščak decided to join the KHL, the reaction in Canada was basically treated like a personal insult to every single Canadian and a direct attack on their entire national identity. I mean, really? Some Americans walk into their league after they spent all that time dominating during the America days... it's enough to trigger some serious resentment. You see these hostile Russians popping up, people talking about Olimpija and Jesenice, and then there are hundreds of angry comments flooding every Canadian newspaper—acting like this is some kind of global cataclysm or something. It’s almost absurd, isn't it?

It’s all just a bunch of nonsense. Joining the KHL is purely about logistics and business interests—it's simple math. A massive market like Chicago is obviously a much bigger draw than a place like Ljubljana with its 300,000 people, let alone somewhere like Jesenice with only 15,000. Personally, speaking as a Jesenice fan, I’d actually rather see KHL Medveščak in the league than Olimpija—and I’m pretty sure a lot of people feel the same way—especially since the Jesenice fanbase basically covers three-quarters of Canada. So, Medveščak joining the KHL isn't some kind of insult... honestly, the only real insult would be if the American national hockey team actually managed to beat the Canadian team. 😉
Alexander Phillips80 Alexander Phillips80 Newcomer
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#19 ·
Joseph Lopez18 said:So, Canadians buy up real estate in America and visit multiple times? Hm. That actually supports my point perfectly.

Look, your whole argument is just a messy pile of personal gripes, which basically makes it worthless in any real debate...
People hit the beach or head to the mountains to ski simply because they feel like it and they have the cash—it’s not some grand conspiracy, man. You really need to stop being so worked up about it!
nimblepilot19 nimblepilot19 Member
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#20 ·
That’s why everyone from the old America seems to have a GE refrigerator in their kitchen 😁

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