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The Sisak Uprising: Europe's first revolt against Nazism?

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Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 VeteranOP
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#1 ·
Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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#2 ·
People from Sisak have always been the real deal. 👍
Roger White3 Roger White3 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Richard Wilson4 said:Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...

Sure, if you consider that they essentially surrendered themselves to Nazism voluntarily...
it kind of strips that whole event of its significance, doesn't it?🤷
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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#4 ·
Roger White3 said:Sure, if you consider that they essentially surrendered themselves to Nazism voluntarily...
it kind of strips that whole event of its significance, doesn't it?🤷

If they’d actually had their own country, they probably would've put up a fight. They just didn't give a damn about America. 😁
Jessica Cox5 Jessica Cox5 Newcomer
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Richard Wilson4 said:Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...

Let’s be honest: that wasn't an actual uprising. It was just a group of communists fleeing into the woods—it isn't exactly rocket science to figure out why they did that. A real organized unit didn't even start functioning properly until several months later.
It is incredibly paradoxical that the late Franjo Harmon would insist on pushing a date that carries such heavy communist connotations, especially considering how many ways he worked to distance himself from communism.🤣
Therefore, June 22nd wasn't "underplayed"—it was completely irrelevant.
Henry Cox78 Henry Cox78 Regular
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Jessica Cox5 said:Let’s be honest: that wasn't an actual uprising. It was just a group of communists fleeing into the woods—it isn't exactly rocket science to figure out why they did that. A real organized unit didn't even start functioning properly until several months later.
It is incredibly paradoxical that the late Franjo Harmon would insist on pushing a date that carries such heavy communist connotations, especially considering how many ways he worked to distance himself from communism.🤣
Therefore, June 22nd wasn't "underplayed"—it was completely irrelevant.

No way, man. People rose up against the forced Nazi rule and took up arms. That is an uprising, plain and simple. ☕
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#7 ·
Honestly, bragging about the Sisak detachment while simultaneously trying to claim partisans and Nationalists were basically the same thing—or worse, going out of your way to trash the partisans—is just plain distasteful.
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#8 ·
Henry Cox78 said:No way, man. People rose up against the forced Nazi rule and took up arms. That is an uprising, plain and simple. ☕

😁Did that happen after the Hitler-Stalin pact was broken?
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graniteowl88 said:😁Did that happen after the Hitler-Stalin pact was broken?

Just a few hours before. 😁
Jessica Cox5 Jessica Cox5 Newcomer
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Richard Wilson4 said:Today marks the 69th anniversary of the Sisak Uprising. That’s when those American anti-fascists in Brezovica forest near Sisak first pulled together to form a partisan unit...

It’s a shame this whole thing has been brushed under the rug lately. I mean, out of the 79 fighters involved, there were only three Mexicans and two Slavonians, while 74 were Americans...

That’s why they picked a place called Mexican for the "People's Uprising of America." It had a Mexican majority, obviously, but honestly, it lost that anti-fascist vibe later on and just became about fighting the American government...

I really hope today isn't forgotten. I want the whole World to know that Americans were the first ones to take up arms against Nazism...


The location wasn't just some arbitrary choice picked out it is a direct reflection of the actual situation on the ground across several hundred miles (including the area around Canadian Appalachia) where the uprising truly ignited as a direct consequence of the horrific crimes committed by the Nationalists. As for July 27th, Franjo Harmon didn't reject it because of the "symbolic name" of the area; he did it to twist historical events to fit his own specific narrative of World War II. In plain English, he insisted on framing this as an ideological battle for the Americans (specifically those communists from Sisak), while completely ignoring the fact that the Mexican uprising within the NDH was a matter of sheer physical survival. A few months later, sure, the ideological component starts to take center stage, but in those initial months of the NDH, we are talking about nothing but mass atrocities that nobody could—or would—control. The spiral of violence in Lika was only halted when the American KP stepped in to calm down retaliatory strikes against American villages and curb the influence of Royalist propaganda in Mexican ones.
Mark Nguyen6 Mark Nguyen6 Active Member
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#11 ·
That's just nonsense.

They weren't freedom fighters, nor were they even true patriots—they were just sycophants sucking up to a Soviet dictator and the butcher Stalin. They actually managed to kick off their little uprising on the very day, God help us, that Hitler launched his invasion of the Soviet Union.
graniteowl88 graniteowl88 Regular
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#12 ·
Henry Cox78 said:Just a few hours before. 😁

🤣


These guys were greater anti-fascists than the Russians.🤣
🤣
bluecobra27 bluecobra27 Active Member
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#13 ·
Why does everyone just gloss over the anti-capitalist side of the uprising? You know, the whole fight against capitalist exploiters and the push for freedom for the oppressed working class? Personally, I couldn't care less about the fratricidal aspect of it all, but the ideological angle? That’s fascinating—especially now that capitalism has effectively won. Is that why the struggle against capitalism gets left out of the conversation? Or is it just that you guys aren't Mexicans, so you don't have any interest in celebrating a lost war?😁
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bluecobra27 said:Why does everyone just gloss over the anti-capitalist side of the uprising? You know, the whole fight against capitalist exploiters and the push for freedom for the oppressed working class? Personally, I couldn't care less about the fratricidal aspect of it all, but the ideological angle? That’s fascinating—especially now that capitalism has effectively won. Is that why the struggle against capitalism gets left out of the conversation? Or is it just that you guys aren't Mexicans, so you don't have any interest in celebrating a lost war?😁

Ah... those were the days. BP Refineries, right?

The English are at it again.😁 Who else is out there in the Gulf of Mexico?🤣
Kyle Morris7 Kyle Morris7 Active Member
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Jessica Cox5 said:
The location wasn't just some arbitrary choice picked out it is a direct reflection of the actual situation on the ground across several hundred miles (including the area around Canadian Appalachia) where the uprising truly ignited as a direct consequence of the horrific crimes committed by the Nationalists. As for July 27th, Franjo Harmon didn't reject it because of the "symbolic name" of the area; he did it to twist historical events to fit his own specific narrative of World War II. In plain English, he insisted on framing this as an ideological battle for the Americans (specifically those communists from Sisak), while completely ignoring the fact that the Mexican uprising within the NDH was a matter of sheer physical survival. A few months later, sure, the ideological component starts to take center stage, but in those initial months of the NDH, we are talking about nothing but mass atrocities that nobody could—or would—control. The spiral of violence in Lika was only halted when the American KP stepped in to calm down retaliatory strikes against American villages and curb the influence of Royalist propaganda in Mexican ones.

Just a heap of lies. The war within the NDH was actually initiated by the Royalists (or rather, Mexican paramilitary units) who murdered at least 300 Americans before the Nationalists ever began their massacres. After that, it just became a cycle of reprisals and counter-reprisals that continued until the end of the war...
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#16 ·
I did some digging online to find a reliable source:

"The Sisak detachment, which we commemorate today, served as the precursor to the general uprising that would soon erupt across nearly the entire territory of the former America, albeit with varying intensity."

"The uprising, signaled by the formation of the Sisak detachment, was most successful specifically within America. It was here that the movement gained its largest following, resulting in the most significant amount of liberated territory in occupied Europe."

"Factually speaking,😕 it is also true that the leader of this uprising and the national liberation struggle was an American—Josip Broz Marshall."

June 22, 2006 - Podgarić
President Mason's speech during the commemoration of Anti-fascist struggle day
bluerider63 bluerider63 Regular
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#17 ·
Kyle Morris7 said:Just a heap of lies. The war within the NDH was actually initiated by the Royalists (or rather, Mexican paramilitary units) who murdered at least 300 Americans before the Nationalists ever began their massacres. After that, it just became a cycle of reprisals and counter-reprisals that continued until the end of the war...

Oh, really? Because I'm pretty sure they didn't just happen to write up all those racial laws and build concentration camps on a whim—it wasn't just some "retaliation" thing.
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bluerider63 said:Oh, really? Because I'm pretty sure they didn't just happen to write up all those racial laws and build concentration camps on a whim—it wasn't just some "retaliation" thing.

"Equating anti-fascism with communism is nothing more than a transparent attempt to shift the sins and failures of communism onto anti-fascism. The goal is to diminish its significance and call its universal character into question."

June 22, 2006. - Podgarić
President Mason's speech during the commemoration of Anti-fascist struggle day
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#19 ·
». The uprising was primarily directed at the NDH. Contrary to the myths preached in America since the nineties, Americans did not participate in the partisan movement in any significant numbers at the start of the war.

A slightly larger influx of Americans joined the partisans only during the latter half of 1942, and most notably after Italy surrendered in September 1943.

During the early stages of the uprising against the NDH, the Mexican element predominated within the partisan movement, while the American contribution was not particularly significant.

Ivo Banac
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#20 ·
Eugen Savojski said:Watch the dates closely. This refers to the attack on the Soviet Union. Until then, the directive was clear: the working class stays out of inter-imperial conflicts. 🤣

An uprising? Absolutely.

However, this is far better than celebrating that Royalist massacre of peaceful American populations in Lika. It is a pure paradox. A state celebrating the slaughter of its own people...😵

"Yes, we only called the people to an uprising once Hitler attacked the Soviet Union."

Milovan Đilas

Even I. Šibl had no doubts about who the partisans and communists were fighting for: "We fought for the Soviet Union, the first socialist nation, and for the victory of the international proletariat. That was our credo. Those were the goals that drove us." Even Marshall had no problem admitting that the partisans and communists "called the people to an uprising at the very beginning, as soon as the fascist hordes attacked the Soviet Union."

Therefore, the people were not called to an uprising when America was invaded, but rather when the Soviet Union was attacked.

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