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Nathan Newman3 Nathan Newman3 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#21 ·
Sean Brooks said:Just another quick example—I won't name the company (unless you count being American...) but they’re world-famous, and there's a good chance you have at least one of their products sitting in your pantry right now. So, here's the deal: an American working as a brand manager at the firm's European headquarters over in Canada decided—in the middle of this massive crisis—to actually lower prices for one of our local brands. Want to know what happened?

While all his colleagues—other brand managers, mind you—were busy slashing headcount, cutting salaries, trimming costs, and gutting product lines just to try and maintain last year's profit margins... this guy did the exact opposite. He slashed prices, and in the middle of a recession, he managed to jack up sales and profits for that brand by about 20%...

And believe it or not, it was an American who pulled it off!

What a joke this country is!


Not sure I follow. An American firm, a specific brand, but they're selling American products???
Sean Brooks Sean Brooks Member
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joined Mar 2012
#22 ·
My bad, I misspoke there... when I said "ours," I meant his brand and mine—since I'm still pulling shifts at that company... it isn't some national thing
Sean Brooks Sean Brooks Member
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joined Mar 2012
#23 ·
Yeah, honestly, I completely forgot to actually weigh in on this thread...

Regarding Lidl and all those big grocery chains... if I recall correctly, the law says they should have at least 60-70% local products on their shelves. When Lidl first broke into the market, everyone was making such a huge deal about how they were going to ruin everything local—you know the drill—but looking back, we basically did that to ourselves...
Walmart is essentially just a supermarket chain for the naive and the media-addled masses in this country... it isn't cheap, it isn't high quality, and it isn't even domestic. Half of their stuff—those brands you see everywhere—who knows where it actually comes from? It’s just repackaged in their own branding so it technically counts as "local." Sure, you can find some cheap items during sales, especially when they open new locations...
But all that constant advertising telling us to "buy local" and claim they're the cheapest? It doesn't hold water. If you actually take the time to compare prices with other stores—even international ones—you'll realize the prices are either identical or you could find them cheaper elsewhere. It's all the same crap, really. If you actually want to save money, you have to watch the sales, because that's the only way to save a significant amount of cash...

I went to Lidl again recently. Yeah, they sell a bunch of these private labels, but in terms of quality, a lot of them actually stack up against the big-name brands—just not in terms of price... For instance, they’ll sell a 10-pack of those chocolate snacks that taste and feel exactly like Knoppers for 10-$4.00, while a single original pack of Knoppers will set you back 3-$1.25... and there are plenty of other examples like that...
copperhawk37 copperhawk37 Newcomer
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#24 ·
Just a quick side note

There's this ice cream at Lidl that goes for $1.75. It’s massive, basically the size of a Nestlé King, and tastes just as good... but the King costs like 13 bucks or whatever!!! Absolute madness
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#25 ·
If it looks like King and tastes like King, then there’s a very high probability it actually *is* King. I mean, would Nestlé really be foolish enough to discount their own branded product like that? It happens all the time—manufacturers selling the exact same product under a different label just to undercut the price. Though, usually, they try to mask it a little bit more than this...
Richard Lewis16 Richard Lewis16 Active Member
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#26 ·
from what I can gather, they just make these tiny, almost imperceptible tweaks to the ingredients in everything they produce under their own label
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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#27 ·
Andrew Booth29 said:If it looks like King and tastes like King, then there’s a very high probability it actually *is* King. I mean, would Nestlé really be foolish enough to discount their own branded product like that? It happens all the time—manufacturers selling the exact same product under a different label just to undercut the price. Though, usually, they try to mask it a little bit more than this...

Lidl ice creams have nothing to do with Nestlé; they're just private labels used across all of Europe, mostly produced in Germany. The quality is pretty much on par with Nestlé, but the price is about a third of what you'd pay otherwise.

Honestly, why would anyone pay a premium just for a "brand" when you can just buy the local stuff...
Jeremy Ward38 Jeremy Ward38 Member
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#28 ·
copperhawk37 said:Just a quick side note

There's this ice cream at Lidl that goes for $1.75. It’s massive, basically the size of a Nestlé King, and tastes just as good... but the King costs like 13 bucks or whatever!!! Absolute madness


I wouldn't go as far as saying it tastes like a Nestlé King. To be honest, Nestlé is a hundred times better.
Joseph Watson3 Joseph Watson3 Active Member
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#29 ·
Jeremy Ward38 said:I wouldn't go as far as saying it tastes like a Nestlé King. To be honest, Nestlé is a hundred times better.

Well, look at that—even a pricier placebo works better than the cheap stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/he...cebo.html?_r=1

So, how can we act surprised when an expensive branded ice cream actually tastes better? 😁

But here's the reality: over in Germany, they have Consumer Reports to test food quality and everything else, and their private labels from Aldi and Lidl often score higher than the big brands. The rest is just marketing—something people swallow whole, especially in places like America, where people would probably even buy premium branded trash bags just so the neighbors could see them.
John Thomas2 John Thomas2 Active MemberOP
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#30 ·
copperhawk37 said:1. This is why our local "entrepreneurs" are all just scammers running shady schemes where they care about profit per unit rather than volume. unknown, I’m buying something he sourced for $17 while I end up paying $83. Instead of grabbing stock for 50 and selling it to me, his sister, and his mom for 100 a pop, he just squeezes every cent out of single sales. It's the same story with those high-end boutiques in shopping malls—the managers of these "fancy" shops live in penthouses in Chicago's "Tax-Free" zone (basically the suburbs), buying high-end knockoffs for 20+€ and flipping them for over 150€.

2. Then you have the staff in smaller shops who are literally paid to sell things. For example: I walk into a Ray-Ban store on Ilica one day and there’s this woman working. First, she rolls her eyes just because I walked in to spend $500. Then, as I try on glasses, she hands them to me with total attitude and keeps rolling her eyes at every question I ask. I wouldn't even leave her enough for a coffee, let alone $500 for some sunglasses. I already messaged the managers to tell them to get their staff under control.

I'm with you 100%! I see this crap all the time, especially in high-end boutiques. The saddest part is, she probably works for $0.67, yet acts like she owns the damn place. 🙄 They should switch them all to commission-based pay, then we'll see how that goes. 😬
boldlynx10 boldlynx10 Newcomer
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#31 ·
Brenda Morgan44 said:Kaufland has somehow managed to claw its way to the top of the retail game, but honestly, every single time I step foot in there, I end up completely exhausted just trying to navigate the chaos. The way they stock their shelves makes zero sense; you could be hunting for something basic like toothpicks and find them tucked away in some bizarre corner next to the canned tuna instead of where they actually belong.

I’ve been thinking about Tommy lately—isn't he actually Italian? It’s pretty interesting how he’s positioned himself within NTL as a major player in the retail sector.

Tommy's from Split, unless the owner decided to offload him in the meantime—which I doubt. Pretty sure Tomislav Mamic (or someone like him) owns the place.
boldlynx10 boldlynx10 Newcomer
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#32 ·
Nestlé ice creams are actually pretty good, even if they’re a bit pricey. But since they basically own the market here in America, don't expect them to drop those prices anytime soon. And frozen veggies? They're sourced from all over the place and still cost an arm and a leg... unknown, I guess people just assume they're local and buy them anyway. Who knows.
lonetiger52 lonetiger52 Newcomer
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#33 ·
Joseph Watson3 said:Well, look at that—even a pricier placebo works better than the cheap stuff: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/he...cebo.html?_r=1

So, how can we act surprised when an expensive branded ice cream actually tastes better? 😁

But here's the reality: over in Germany, they have Consumer Reports to test food quality and everything else, and their private labels from Aldi and Lidl often score higher than the big brands. The rest is just marketing—something people swallow whole, especially in places like America, where people would probably even buy premium branded trash bags just so the neighbors could see them.

There were some shady bits there too, but hey, after a few little scandals, they cleaned things up. Honestly, though, I find myself trusting the reports in USA Today or something you'd see on a major TV network more.😉

But all in all, products from Aldi and Lidl are very high quality and frequently beat out some of the famous brands.

Generally speaking, most people here in Germany shop at Aldi and Lidl. First off, you know exactly where everything is, and secondly, everything you buy is actually worth the money.

It's not like shopping at a Walmart in Chicago, for instance. You pick up some "Vian" cheese spread because it’s the cheapest option, and once you open it, you realize exactly why it was so cheap—it's so thin you can barely even spread it.
Hannah Reed3 Hannah Reed3 Member
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joined Mar 2012
#34 ·
jelko said:A Lidl opened up in my neighborhood three weeks ago, so I swung by on opening day.
I wanted to pick up a few things:
- mayonnaise: nothing but random brands from Poland I've never even heard of.
- fruit juice: completely unfamiliar brands, including imports you'd see elsewhere, but zero local options like Tropicana.
- deli meat: nothing sliced under $30/lb, and again, all totally unknown brands.
- fruit yogurt: mostly mystery brands, and every single one had a 3-month shelf life due to heavy preservatives—unlike the local stuff that lasts about 3 weeks. The only recognizable brand was Jogobella; everything else was a total stranger.
- cheeses: more unknown brands.
- sweets: we have at least five or six major confectionary factories back home, but not a single one here.

All in all, it feels like Lidl is seriously threatening the retail landscape in America. Local stores usually carry enough imports, but they at least offer one domestic product (like a Walmart brand from Agrokora or a Gavrilović group item). Manufacturers can't get any more pathetic; they struggle to even get shelf space in local shops, yet they aren't even on Lidl's radar?

Take a close look at the store brands over at Walmart and you'll see exactly what's happening. There isn't a single domestic manufacturer for medicine left.
It’s the same story everywhere. Take the Nestlé pea and carrot mix: the carrots come from Belgium and the peas from Mexico. Or Zvezda ketchup: a supposedly local product actually made in Canada. Kraft Heinz canned tomatoes: made in Italy. Kraft Heinz canned beans: made in Italy. It's always the same. Profit doesn't have a nationality, and it certainly doesn't care about sentimental ties to local production.
Hannah Reed3 Hannah Reed3 Member
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#35 ·
Joseph Watson3 said:Lidl ice creams have nothing to do with Nestlé; they're just private labels used across all of Europe, mostly produced in Germany. The quality is pretty much on par with Nestlé, but the price is about a third of what you'd pay otherwise.

Honestly, why would anyone pay a premium just for a "brand" when you can just buy the local stuff...

By the way, a good chunk of Nestlé's ice cream is actually produced in Spain.
brisktinker15 brisktinker15 Member
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#36 ·
I actually had my biggest win at Lidl when I picked up those massive XXL prawns; back at my local seafood market near the coast, they go for at least $67/kg, but at Lidl, they were only $20! I was super skeptical because anything that cheap—especially frozen stuff claiming to be from the North Atlantic—usually smells sketchy, but once I thawed them out, they had that legit, fresh sea breeze scent... cooked them up... and honestly? AMAZING. Now they're my go-to, because who’s to say the fancy fishmonger isn't just selling me the exact same thing while tossing a few twitching ones in the pile and claiming they were "caught this morning"?
At the fish market, I only bother with the small, cheap stuff now. I used to avoid Lidl because their house brands felt a bit off to me, but after giving them a fair shake, I find myself shopping there way more often.
One thing I've noticed about their setup is that they seem to focus on a smaller selection of high-quality goods, and whatever they put in their limited-time offers moves incredibly fast. If something isn't flying off the shelves, it hits a sale almost immediately, which keeps everything moving.
What really gets under my skin about our big retail chains, especially Kroger where I used to shop a lot since they claim to be "local"...
It's all second-rate stuff masquerading as premium, sold at premium prices. And when things don't sell, they just let them sit on the shelves until they're practically rotting, then they repackage them or slap a discount sticker on them... like, they'll take some wilted cabbage, peel off the outer layers in the back, and try to sell you the core as if it's fresh. Or rotten onions. It's even worse at Walmart.
Sean Brooks Sean Brooks Member
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#37 ·

lonetiger52 said:There were some shady bits there too, but hey, after a few little scandals, they cleaned things up. Honestly, though, I find myself trusting the reports in USA Today or something you'd see on a major TV network more.😉

But all in all, products from Aldi and Lidl are very high quality and frequently beat out some of the famous brands.

Generally speaking, most people here in Germany shop at Aldi and Lidl. First off, you know exactly where everything is, and secondly, everything you buy is actually worth the money.

It's not like shopping at a Walmart in Chicago, for instance. You pick up some "Vian" cheese spread because it’s the cheapest option, and once you open it, you realize exactly why it was so cheap—it's so thin you can barely even spread it.

As far as I know, Walmart and Lidl actually share the same owner... which explains why they both have that endless sea of private labels—but honestly, Walmart is the one that actually carries everything under the sun.

So, while I was traveling through Germany—specifically around North Rhine-Westphalia—all I really saw were Aldi, Kroger, and the occasional Lidl. From what I could gather, the prices at Kroger are pretty much on par with what you'd find at Aldi or Lidl. The only real difference is that Kroger doesn't lean as heavily on its own private labels; they have that one specific brand, sort of like our Clever here, and honestly? Some of those items are actually decent quality.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
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#38 ·
Despite falling consumer spending, Walmart saw profits climb

Well, here are some concrete figures regarding our favorite "budget-friendly local staple" ( 🤮 ). A dip in revenue? No big deal—they’ll just stretch out the payment terms for their suppliers a little longer 🙂 , and suddenly those profit margins look much more impressive on paper again... meanwhile, short-term liabilities have climbed from roughly $4.4 billion to $4.8 billion
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What is there left to say besides 🙂
Hannah Reed3 Hannah Reed3 Member
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#39 ·
casuallynx8 said:Despite falling consumer spending, Walmart saw profits climb

Well, here are some concrete figures regarding our favorite "budget-friendly local staple" ( 🤮 ). A dip in revenue? No big deal—they’ll just stretch out the payment terms for their suppliers a little longer 🙂 , and suddenly those profit margins look much more impressive on paper again... meanwhile, short-term liabilities have climbed from roughly $4.4 billion to $4.8 billion
.
What is there left to say besides 🙂

They’ll invent all sorts of rebates and bonuses for hairspray, sundresses, or Botox... and that's how they play it. It's always at the expense of the struggling American manufacturers and suppliers. 🤮🤮🤮
Andrew Booth29 Andrew Booth29 Regular
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#40 ·
casuallynx8 said:Despite falling consumer spending, Walmart saw profits climb

Well, here are some concrete figures regarding our favorite "budget-friendly local staple" ( 🤮 ). A dip in revenue? No big deal—they’ll just stretch out the payment terms for their suppliers a little longer 🙂 , and suddenly those profit margins look much more impressive on paper again... meanwhile, short-term liabilities have climbed from roughly $4.4 billion to $4.8 billion
.
What is there left to say besides 🙂

Not paying your suppliers doesn't directly impact profit. It has an indirect effect, sure, because you aren't paying the interest you would have incurred if you had actually borrowed money to pay those suppliers up.

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