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Phantom Thread (2017)

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Participants Jerry JacksonEmily Morris77Noah Roberts46northerndriverMorgan Vaughn10vivideagle7cosmicgull52hollowowl15Sandra Harris2Christian White10Jonathan Perez88Justin Rogers5bluebison47Amanda Robinson4fadedmason7Nicole Thomas3Mark White11Jack Murphy5silvergardener6Robin Bailey7Sandra Gray11hiddenhound3Jamie Davis9Joshua Smith5 …
bluebison47 bluebison47 Regular
469 messages
joined Jul 2012
#21 ·
Call me a man's man, but I have never felt such an overwhelming urge to just shut off a movie before as I did while watching this 🤷
It wasn't even about the fashion, and the plot didn't really grab me either; then there are those moments—and there are quite a few—where he just loses his mind over every little detail... 🙄

The only redeeming qualities, I suppose, are the parts where she goes out of her way to mess with him using those obnoxious food and drink sounds 🤣🙏
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
159 messages
joined Nov 2014
#22 ·
Just watched it. Honestly, no matter what you think of PTA, you have to see his stuff in a theater 😬 (even if I haven't caught every single one of them, still ☕ )... but, hmm, yeah... my final takeaway is... unsettling? 😁

I struggled a bit trying to figure out how to genre-label this thing, but honestly, who cares? Let's just call it a period romance drama. It’s slow-burn by nature, obsessed with the little details, and puts almost all its weight on the (romantic) relationships.

Man, if I had tried watching this at home on my laptop, I would've been totally lost. Even sitting here, I found myself waiting for the plot to actually kick into gear, but the end result was—well, surprising, to say the least. Mostly because of the pacing, which just slowly meanders through the complexity of Alma and Reynolds' relationship until it hits these sudden, intense dramatic peaks.

It's pretty clear that with Anderson, there's no such thing as a shallow theme. You can dig so much into it—everything from the director's obsession with high-end 1950s fashion and the overall vibe of that social circle, down to the uncompromising, almost neurodivergent traits of Day-Lewis's character.

I couldn't shake the feeling that some of the screen junkies were right when they said this is basically a movie about Day-Lewis himself, playing a guy who can't tell where his personal life ends and his craft begins. 😬 It feels even more symbolic considering it's his last big role.

In that same vein, PTA is just unapologetic. He doesn't disappoint, but he definitely leaves you with a bunch of questions spinning in your head. Which is great, because that's really the whole point. I get why a lot of people might not vibe with this, but for me? It gave me plenty of food for thought. 🙂
fadedmason7 fadedmason7 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2020
#23 ·
Amanda Robinson4 said:Just watched it. Honestly, no matter what you think of PTA, you have to see his stuff in a theater 😬 (even if I haven't caught every single one of them, still ☕ )... but, hmm, yeah... my final takeaway is... unsettling? 😁

I struggled a bit trying to figure out how to genre-label this thing, but honestly, who cares? Let's just call it a period romance drama. It’s slow-burn by nature, obsessed with the little details, and puts almost all its weight on the (romantic) relationships.

Man, if I had tried watching this at home on my laptop, I would've been totally lost. Even sitting here, I found myself waiting for the plot to actually kick into gear, but the end result was—well, surprising, to say the least. Mostly because of the pacing, which just slowly meanders through the complexity of Alma and Reynolds' relationship until it hits these sudden, intense dramatic peaks.

It's pretty clear that with Anderson, there's no such thing as a shallow theme. You can dig so much into it—everything from the director's obsession with high-end 1950s fashion and the overall vibe of that social circle, down to the uncompromising, almost neurodivergent traits of Day-Lewis's character.

I couldn't shake the feeling that some of the screen junkies were right when they said this is basically a movie about Day-Lewis himself, playing a guy who can't tell where his personal life ends and his craft begins. 😬 It feels even more symbolic considering it's his last big role.

In that same vein, PTA is just unapologetic. He doesn't disappoint, but he definitely leaves you with a bunch of questions spinning in your head. Which is great, because that's really the whole point. I get why a lot of people might not vibe with this, but for me? It gave me plenty of food for thought. 🙂

That hits the nail on the head for me too, even if Phantom Thread isn't quite his absolute peak. I'd say a solid 7.5/10.

The casting is predictably spot-on: Day-Lewis, Lesley Ann Manneville (apparently they became buddies six months before filming, which explains why their chemistry feels so effortless) and the incredible Vicky Krieps, whom I first caught noticing in Karl Marx. 🙏

The cinematography (also by Anderson), especially the outdoor shots—just gorgeous. Honestly, wish we had more of that!

And J. Greenwood’s score? Pure, subtle genius. It basically gives a voice to everything in that house—from the physical objects to the tightly coiled emotions of the residents, mirroring both their connections and the tiniest shifts in mood.

SPOILERS!

I found the symbolic layer of the plot really fascinating. "A house that doesn’t change is a dead house," as the head of the household, Mr. Woodcock, puts it at one point. Even the name is a clue. The Woodcocks climbed the social ladder through years of grinding, reaching this enviable status, but they've ended up stuck—kind of like wooden roosters perched on a roof. Their lineage is dying out because Reynolds is still totally haunted by his mother. That’s where Alma comes in as the savior. Her name means "young woman" in Hebrew, "nourisher" in Latin, and "soul" in Romance languages. Alma brings the necessary upheaval to the house. She cuts the umbilical cord tethering Reynolds to his late mother, and she uses those shears to slice a Belgian princess's dress while searching for signs of his infidelity. She embodies both Eros and Thanatos; she's that classic femme fatale, a force of nature who can either nurture life or cut the thread entirely...
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
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joined Nov 2014
#24 ·
Yeah, I really feel like everything about this movie was built with such insane precision. You can totally sense that Kubrick influence. The dialogue isn't trying too hard to be "intellectual" or anything—it actually reminded me of that one thing Kubrick said about making films that anyone could get, from academics down to just your average driver or housewife... kind of like how The Beatles worked with music. But even so, the lines feel so natural and alive, not forced at all. They just fit the vibe perfectly.

And man, the visual setting? Absolutely flawless. It’s not just easy on the eyes, though... it's incredibly symbolic.

The only real thing is, you have to stay locked in while watching. It’s not even about the plot as much as it is the slow burn of the relationship between Alma and him. Watching them both go through this massive transformation is everything. She shifts from this passive, lovestruck girl into this powerhouse of a woman, and he finally learns how to actually let go and step outside his comfort zone.
fadedmason7 fadedmason7 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2020
#25 ·
That’s honestly the beauty of it—just 130 minutes focused entirely on those two characters, their dynamic, and how they evolve... feels more like Bergman than Kubrick...
hollowowl15 hollowowl15 Member
24 messages
joined Jan 2019
#26 ·
It’s definitely an exploration of a romantic relationship where both partners are constantly wrestling over control and surrender—touching on trust, sacrifice, and even the literal killing off of parts of oneself just to balance out and tailor the dynamic.
I love how the movie eventually shifts from all that excessive aesthetic and gorgeous gowns into these macabre tones, while still keeping a comedic edge running through the whole thing.
Nicole Thomas3 Nicole Thomas3 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2011
#27 ·
Hands down, *The Master* is Anderson’s absolute best. Seriously. And if you look back at those Oscar categories now, just remind yourself what a complete joke the Best Picture nominees actually were.
Mark White11 Mark White11 Active Member
92 messages
joined Jan 2018
#28 ·
Nicole Thomas3 said:Hands down, *The Master* is Anderson’s absolute best. Seriously. And if you look back at those Oscar categories now, just remind yourself what a complete joke the Best Picture nominees actually were.

I mean, seriously, if you consider Boogie Nights, Hard Eight, and There Will Be Blood to be his true masterpieces, then all this stuff he’s been pumping out lately isn't even in the same league.
Jack Murphy5 Jack Murphy5 Active Member
59 messages
joined Feb 2014
#29 ·
You've gone and done it now. It’s honestly baffling how anyone could possibly see this differently than you do.

Anyway, it looks like this won't even make its way to theaters in the States. 😁
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
159 messages
joined Nov 2014
#30 ·
fadedmason7 said:That’s honestly the beauty of it—just 130 minutes focused entirely on those two characters, their dynamic, and how they evolve... feels more like Bergman than Kubrick...

Well, sure, you can find influences everywhere if you look hard enough. But honestly, the whole vibe and the visual style feel way more like Kubrick to me, especially how he approaches everything...

That being said, this was definitely the toughest PTA flick for me to sit through. Doesn't mean it's his worst or even bad by any means, though...
Nicole Thomas3 Nicole Thomas3 Newcomer
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joined Dec 2011
#31 ·
Mark White11 said:I mean, seriously, if you consider Boogie Nights, Hard Eight, and There Will Be Blood to be his true masterpieces, then all this stuff he’s been pumping out lately isn't even in the same league.

When someone like you—who basically treats a first date like a hookup—says it, then it's probably the truth.
silvergardener6 silvergardener6 Member
49 messages
joined Feb 2014
#32 ·
My personal ranking:

1. There Will Be Blood 2. Magnolia 3. Boogie Nights 4. Phantom Thread 5. The Master 6. Inherent Vice 7. Punch-Drunk Love. I haven't really seen the others, I guess.
Amanda Robinson4 Amanda Robinson4 Active Member
159 messages
joined Nov 2014
#33 ·
silvergardener6 said:My personal ranking:

1. There Will Be Blood 2. Magnolia 3. Boogie Nights 4. Phantom Thread 5. The Master 6. Inherent Vice 7. Punch-Drunk Love. I haven't really seen the others, I guess.

Wait, by "the rest," you mean things like Hard Eight? 😬
Jack Murphy5 Jack Murphy5 Active Member
59 messages
joined Feb 2014
#34 ·
silvergardener6 said:My personal ranking:

1. There Will Be Blood 2. Magnolia 3. Boogie Nights 4. Phantom Thread 5. The Master 6. Inherent Vice 7. Punch-Drunk Love. I haven't really seen the others, I guess.

As for my current list:

Magnolia
The Master
There Will Be Blood
Punch-Drunk Love
Inherent Vice
Boogie Nights
Hard Eight

I haven't gotten around to watching Phantom Thread yet.
vivideagle7 vivideagle7 Active Member
135 messages
joined Oct 2014
#35 ·
Nicole Thomas3 said:Hands down, *The Master* is Anderson’s absolute best. Seriously. And if you look back at those Oscar categories now, just remind yourself what a complete joke the Best Picture nominees actually were.

Not even close to being his peak. For me, Magnolia and TWBB take the top spots, then Boogie Nights, and everything else falls behind.
Noah Roberts46 Noah Roberts46 Regular
407 messages
joined Jun 2021
#36 ·
Subjectively, I’d say it’s Boogie Nights; objectively, it’s TWBB. Either way, those two are the absolute peak, followed by Magnolia. I actually have a soft spot for Inherent Vice, which puts it ahead of The Master and everything else—except for that top three mentioned above. As for his early work, it just doesn't do it for me.
Robin Bailey7 Robin Bailey7 Member
14 messages
joined Nov 2010
#37 ·
Honestly, this was one of the most tedious movies I've ever sat through.
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
125 messages
joined Nov 2023
#38 ·
Since we're playing games...

There Will Be Blood
Phantom Thread (damn, the maturity here)
Magnolia
Boogie Nights
(Everything above this line is a perfect 10/10; it's all down to nuance)
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Punch-Drunk Love
The Master
Inherent Vice
Hard Eight
cosmicgull52 cosmicgull52 Active Member
125 messages
joined Nov 2023
#39 ·
cosmicgull52 said:Since we're playing games...

There Will Be Blood
Phantom Thread (damn, the maturity here)
Magnolia
Boogie Nights
(Everything above this line is a perfect 10/10; it's all down to nuance)
---------------------------------
Punch-Drunk Love
The Master
Inherent Vice
Hard Eight

Man, I finally sat down with The Master, and it was only my second time seeing it. I have no idea what I was thinking before, but now I can confidently say it’s also a 10/10. It sits somewhere between Magnolia and Boogie Nights. 🙏
Sandra Gray11 Sandra Gray11 Newcomer
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joined Mar 2018
#40 ·
Nicole Thomas3 said:Hands down, *The Master* is Anderson’s absolute best. Seriously. And if you look back at those Oscar categories now, just remind yourself what a complete joke the Best Picture nominees actually were.

Exactly. 👍
This happens to be my absolute favorite among this year's Oscar nominees for Best Picture.

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