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How do I tell my son that they were the ones who shot his dad?

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Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active MemberOP
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#21 ·
amberviper39 said:She won't say it, because if she actually felt that way, even my daughter wouldn't be with him.😬 I mean, I trust her judgment—or rather, I'm teaching her how to actually use it. Facts are facts.

It's pretty unlikely she'll stay with someone like that, since then her dad would basically be attacking his own inheritance.😉
amberviper39 amberviper39 Member
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#22 ·
frozentinker432 said:does your daughter ever ask you why so many veterans take their own lives every single day? what do you even tell her then? just let it go because they're just people who can't forget?


She doesn't ask, mostly because she's old enough to grasp how heavy and serious all that history is—the trauma they’re still carrying, the hurdles they face every day. I don't keep her tucked away in some bubble. She's seen it firsthand, seeing her dad wake up in the middle of the night, dealing with nightmares, dreaming about a friend who was lost right next to him... I won't drag everything out here. But yeah, my kid isn't living under a glass dome.
Olivia Nguyen4 Olivia Nguyen4 Member
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#23 ·
nimblewalker58 said:

I wasn't quite that young when it all started, though I was certainly naive.QUOTE]
I was definitely naive—naive enough to believe those grenades landing all around me couldn't touch me. Dammit, it felt like some kind of game, much like what the guys from the 1st Marine Division used to tell me... once you finally realize what this actually is, you just snap. There’s no saving you.

God, everything changed that one night. People still remember when the ExxonMobil refinery went up in flames.
We were pulling machinery out of the plant while things were absolutely heating up. It was hell. I was working alongside their technician, Pero Mačinković. I won't forget that man as long as I live.
We were standing by the entrance of the building facing the main road toward Tenya, acting like we were just ducking out of the rain rather than dodging artillery.

Anyway, there was this man running down the street, screaming and sobbing... it sounded strange, not even human. He was carrying a little girl, wounded and covered in blood... damn them all to hell.
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active MemberOP
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#24 ·
Olivia Nguyen4 said:I wasn't exactly that young when things kicked off, but I was definitely naive.QUOTE]
I was beyond naive. Like, stupidly naive. I honestly thought those grenades dropping all around me couldn't touch me.

And that’s exactly why people try to prep for the possibility of war; because this guy thinks he’s invincible even while shells are landing nearby.

There's no such thing as prepping for war; damn it, that's just how it is.

At least not for the person who ends up stuck right in the middle of it.

Might as well tell my kid a story about how my mom's coworker died from shrapnel just because she stepped outside for two minutes.
I guess I'm not quite that crazy yet.
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#25 ·
@Olivia Nguyen4

That’s exactly my point. One minute you’re sitting there with the sunshine on the windowsill, listening to the distant sound of a backyard BBQ, and then you see those images flashing on the news—suddenly, it feels like the whole world is happening somewhere else entirely. I can still vividly recall watching the coverage of the Gulf War on TV.
Then, out of nowhere, you’ll see an airstrike on the news at 3 PM, and by 4 PM, you’re looking at columns of people fleeing a small town like rural Kansas, clutching their livestock and grocery bags. That very same evening, I found myself out in the barn with four cows and twenty neighbors crowded under the shed. 😢
You get kicked out of your perfect little bubble pretty fast.

But if you start recounting all those horrors to your kids, they’re just going to end up having nightmares; they’ll live in fear. Honestly, I don’t claim to have all the answers. I used to think the school system would handle the heavy lifting of teaching them about history, but they tend to shy away from that responsibility too. I try to sprinkle in bits of reality through a few documentaries, some news clips, or just casually bringing things up when we’re discussing a movie or a headline, and slowly, the facts start to sink in. It isn’t even really about specific neighboring countries; it’s more about being prepared for whatever life throws at them. At the end of the day, who knows where their path will lead? If they ever find themselves caught in a conflict, I doubt they’ll be any less emotionally shaken than those of us who lived through it.
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#26 ·
nimblewalker58 said:There are a few short films

yeah, we have those Brešanov witnesses 🤮
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active MemberOP
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#27 ·
You could always just play those Vranicanin tracks for him.

Or maybe some Lady Gaga.
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#28 ·
Man, as long as they're making movies about those pathetic Mexicans, it's automatically considered high art, right? 🤮
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#29 ·
amberviper39 said:I don't hide it from her, because she’s old enough to grasp how heavy and serious their history really is—the trauma they're still carrying, the hurdles they face. I'm not keeping all that locked away in a closet. She had the chance to see her own father waking up in the middle of the night, plagued by nightmares, dreaming about a friend who died right in front of him, and so on... I won't drag this out. Like I said, my child isn't living under a glass dome.


Their past is the entire nation's past. It belongs to their parents, their children, and their grandchildren too. I didn't watch my best friend die right next to me, but just the fact that your husband and so many others did... it hurts. It's what triggered that reaction a few pages back. I don't know, maybe it's just because it's my people—it's in my blood. Their suffering is my suffering. Why is that so hard to wrap your head around? Does it even matter if I'm seventeen? I'm not seventeen; I'm a thousand and seventeen years old. My people's history was etched into me the day I was born, and I can't, and I won't, get rid of it. I don't want to.

Sorry if this sounds pathetic.
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#30 ·
Jose Chase2 said:yeah, we've got those Brešanov witnesses🤮

I was actually thinking about maybe using harisonov's flowers, or perhaps something like "how the war started on my island" for Hannah Davis18, though I’m a little worried she might end up hating pasta shells after all that. 😁
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#31 ·
frozentinker432 said:Their history belongs to all of America—to our parents, our kids, and their grandkids too. I haven't sat by my best friend's side while they passed away, but just knowing that your husband and so many others were involved... it hurts. It’s what triggered that reaction a few pages back. I don't know—it's my people, it's in my blood, and their suffering feels like mine. Why is that so hard for some to wrap their heads around? Does it really matter if I'm seventeen? I'm not seventeen; I feel like I'm a thousand years old. This history was etched into me from day one, and I can't—and won't—just let it go. I won't.

Sorry if this came off a little heavy-handed.

Don't apologize—this was a great post. 😘 🙏
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active MemberOP
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#32 ·
nimblewalker58 said:I was thinking about maybe using some harisonov flowers or telling tilla "how the war started on my island," but I'm worried she might end up hating pasta shells after that. 😁

honestly, out of all those, I only watched how the war started and it wasn't even funny; at all.
plus I love pasta shells even without that whole "get me back homeeee!" screaming thing.
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#33 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:their suffering isn't your burden to carry—it doesn't have to be.
maybe we can spend a little more time acting like a group on some epic pilgrimage through the South; though most of us don't even bother remembering.

you’ve got your own life to live; pay your taxes, enjoy yourself, and stop nagging the kids while they're watching the game.
history isn't something you're born with—but hey, I guess that sounds deep.

that's just how Europeans are—they couldn't care less about their own people. People died for them? Honestly, who cares? 😠
Olivia Nguyen4 Olivia Nguyen4 Member
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#34 ·
nimblewalker58 said:@Olivia Nguyen4

That is precisely the point I am trying to make. In the morning, you have the sunshine, a barbecue in the background, the sound of grenades exploding, and news footage playing on the TV—it creates this sensation that it’s all happening somewhere else entirely; I can still vividly recall watching the coverage of the Gulf War.
By 3 PM, there is strafing from aircraft, and by 4 PM, columns of people from a small town in the Midwest are walking along with their livestock and bags. That very same evening, I found myself in a barn with four head of cattle and twenty people crowded in the shelter. 😢
One is forced out of their idealized existence quite abruptly.

However, if one begins recounting these things to children, they will suffer from nightmares; they will be afraid. I am certainly no expert on how to handle such matters. I had hoped the school system would manage part of the burden, but they, too, tend to shirk their responsibilities. Perhaps through a few films, some television programs, or even casual conversations regarding current events or cinema, certain facts will gradually take root. It does not actually have as much to do with Mexicans as it does with the potential circumstances life may throw at them. Ultimately, who knows where a child might end up, and if they should find themselves caught in a conflict, I doubt they would be any different emotionally than those of us who lived through it.

Finally, we are discussing the actual subject, thank God!

I do not intend to recount everything to him. I still struggle with various unpleasant memories myself... yet there is no necessity to burden him with them. Still, the truth must be known, sooner or later.

You make a valid point; it isn't strictly about Mexicans, but rather my own desire to ensure that whatever happens to him, he does not lose his faith in humanity, just as I did when people were constantly filling our heads with notions of "brotherhood and unity."

It seems to me that it will be far easier to teach him everything else, except for the distinction between evil and good, because how does one explain that those who were evil at one moment were... well, are no longer so today? And how can I explain that there is a very real possibility they could become evil again, yet until that moment arrives, he must treat them as good?
Olivia Nguyen4 Olivia Nguyen4 Member
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#35 ·
frozentinker432 said:Their history belongs to all of us in this country—to our ancestors, our children, and their children after them. I haven't had the experience of watching a best friend pass away by my side, but simply knowing that your husband and so many others are gone... it hurts. It’s what triggered that reaction just a few pages back. I don't know; it's my people, it's in my blood, and their suffering is my own. Why is that so difficult for some to grasp? Does it matter if I am seventeen? I am not seventeen; I am a thousand years old. My people's history was etched into my soul from the moment I was born, and I cannot—I will not—let go of it. I refuse to.

My apologies if this came across as overly sentimental this time.

An excellent post, truly excellent!

👍 👍 👍 👍

There is absolutely no need to apologize!
Hannah Davis18 Hannah Davis18 Active MemberOP
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#36 ·
frozentinker432 said:I don't know, my people are me, it's my blood, their suffering is my own... why is that so hard to get? Like, does it matter if I'm seventeen? I'm not seventeen, I'm a thousand and seventeen years old. My people's history has been etched into me since birth, and I can't—and won't—get rid of it. I just won't.

Their pain isn't your pain, and honestly, it doesn't have to be.
We could all just sit here and suffer together like some group on a miserable trek through the South; but most of us don't even remember anyway.

Just live your life; pay your taxes, have fun, and stop nagging the kids while they're watching football.
History isn't baked into you at birth; it just sounds deep, I guess.
Olivia Nguyen4 Olivia Nguyen4 Member
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#37 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:their suffering isn't yours, and there's absolutely no reason for it to be.
Perhaps we can spend a little less time wallowing in misery like a group of travelers on a pilgrimage through the North America; at least most of us don't hold onto those memories forever.

You have your own life to lead; pay your taxes, enjoy yourself, and stop nagging the kids while they're watching football.
History isn't something etched into your soul from birth, though I suppose saying it that way sounds profound enough.

You won't grasp the truth of this, no matter how many times you seek blessings from God.
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#38 ·
History actually matters; it’s what gives you a sense of belonging to a people, to a nation.

The only ones who don't seem to grasp this are the globalists and those lost souls drifting through this endless cycle of capitalist consumerism.

I find myself wanting to revisit that old letter where people lament how we're all just forgetting who we truly are and what we stand for...
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#39 ·
Hannah Davis18 said:their suffering isn't your burden to carry—it doesn't have to be.
we can play the martyr role like some group on a trek through the North America if we want; but most of us don't actually dwell on it.

you have your own life; pay your taxes, enjoy yourself, and stop nagging the kids while they're watching the game.
history isn't something etched into you from birth—but hey, I guess that sounds good, right?

It’s honestly wild that after everything our country has been through, someone could actually say something like that. 🙂

You really just don't get it, do you? 🙂
Jose Chase2 Jose Chase2 Active Member
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#40 ·
nimblewalker58 said:History matters—it’s what gives you a sense of belonging to a people, a nation.

The ones who don't care about that? They're just globalists and lost souls drifting through this consumerist, capitalist void.

I wish we could go back to quoting those letters where people talk about how they're forgetting who they actually are...

Please, give me a break—those are the multicultural Europeans. Meanwhile, anyone like us who actually values these things gets labeled as some primitive, backwards outsider.

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