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How do I tell my son that they were the ones who shot his dad?

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frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#141 ·
wanderingcanyon3 said:Look, girl, I was actually there right at the start of this thread, 🙂but: you clearly haven't been reading and you're stumbling. This whole thing turned into a circus later on. You're just lagging behind. And no, your stupidity isn't about how old you are; you'll still be stupid when you grow up, so it's pretty obvious.
And your sentence wasn't taken out of context. It stood alone right where it was meant to be. Get it? That one specific sentence. Accompanied by an idiot smiley.
Furthermore, there's no such thing as a "personal" definition of something—I mean, sure, people say it, but I could just as easily claim math is the science of living organisms. Nationalism was defined long, long before both of us, and I specifically mentioned its meaning earlier in this thread. I think even Klaić would agree with the definition. What you're talking about is patriotism, but unfortunately, you didn't stop there.

So, I am not some deus ex machina; to your great misfortune, I am the condicio sine qua non of this thread. Ergo, I am reacting to blank slates like you, cum grano salis.

Now go grab a dictionary!! And while you're at it, look up nationalism!!

End of discussion!

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Haha, please, spare me the Latin. It’s really not my weak spot! I know plenty, but that isn't one of them. When you try to use those few phrases that even my grandma from rural Alabama knows because they somehow drifted into her ears, all you're doing is looking like a pretentious, self-important fool. I truly believe deep down you aren't actually like this, but rather that this attitude is just a result of some hidden complex—though this probably isn't the thread to unpack that.
You haven't even participated in a real debate with me; you've only made that one post that makes me nauseous. Honestly, dear, it's the easiest thing to write, requiring the absolute minimum amount of brainpower, much like that famous "end of discussion" line.
You want us to consult a dictionary? Fine, here we go. My Anić Goldstein says:
nationalist
1. a follower of nationalism
2. someone who feels belonging and loyalty to their nation as a primary component of their commitment and identity
3. someone who is exclusive in representing the aspirations and rights of their nation in relation to other ethnic groups and nations

So, just like many other terms, there isn't just one single definition for nationalism or a nationalist. Fortunately, my "personal" definition aligns perfectly with the dictionary—specifically number two—so there is no need for me to change it, nor do you have any right to call me a chauvinist for holding that view.

As for my sentence, it absolutely was taken out of context, which could have been found in the post before it or the ones preceding that. Seriously, do you need a Wikipedia link for the definition of a metaphor? Think before you spout nonsense.

Bluff. It honestly irritates me that I even have to write posts like this. Truly.
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#142 ·
nimblewalker58 said:Why don't you use some of that fancy classical education of yours to recite the opening lines of the Iliad? You could even try it in Greek script. 🙂

I mean, finding that stuff is easy enough on Google, so stop poking the bear. Maybe someone else here might start feeling inferior just because they aren't as highly educated as our friend above—this whole "sine qua non" thing is getting ridiculous.
shadowowl9 shadowowl9 Member
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#143 ·
wanderingcanyon3 said:Look, I am not some deus ex machina. To your great misfortune, I am the condicio sine qua non of this thread. Therefore, I react to blank slates like you, cum grano salis.

Even self-proclaimed luminaries should probably learn how to spell: Conditio sine qua non. 😍
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#144 ·
frozentinker432 said:Look, you can find all that info in a heartbeat just by checking Google, so there's really no need to be provocative here. We wouldn't want anyone else on this forum feeling a bit inferior just because they aren't quite as highly educated as our friend over here—it’s practically a prerequisite at this point, isn't it?

Why?

These lines are some pretty striking expressions of national identity dating back to before the era of Christ. Sadly, I don't speak a dozen ancient languages, but even through a translation—or just a loose retelling—they carry such weight, don't they? There's this intense invocation of a Muse to justify a deep-seated hatred for those who disregard tradition, paired with this desperate plea for divine intervention to somehow force justice into existence through sheer strength. (And let's not get distracted by Troy by Brad Pitt; just ignore what he looks like 🙂 )
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#145 ·
shadowowl9 - No, it’s fine. I almost tripped up myself, honestly, mostly because I haven't cracked open a Latin dictionary in ages—I did way too much of that stuff earlier this year.
But whatever, that doesn't even matter. I mean, she probably knows it better than you do anyway, but still... her constantly tossing out those basic Latin phrases is just ridiculous.
shadowowl9 shadowowl9 Member
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#146 ·
frozentinker432 said:shadowowl9 - No, actually, it's fine. I almost fell for it myself since I haven't cracked open a Latin dictionary in ages; I've barely skimmed through any this year.
But that’s beside the point. Even if she remembers it better than you do, her constant dropping of basic Latin phrases is just plain ridiculous.

🙈 Fair point. My apologies. My only real excuse is that I’m hardly a scholar in that field, so I don't exactly encounter this stuff daily 😬 ; on average, I stumble upon an expression like that maybe once every five or six years.
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#147 ·
nimblewalker58 said:Why?

Those lines are pretty intense—total nationalistic vibes from pre-Christian times. I guess I’m not exactly fluent in dead languages, but even just looking at the translation or a summary, it’s heavy stuff. He’s basically calling on some Muse to justify his hatred for anyone who ignores tradition, praying for divine intervention to force his version of justice. (Not to bring up Troy by Brad Pitt, though, and let's just ignore how he looks 🙂 )

Sure, they’re moving, but honestly, I don't want that self-proclaimed expert in classical languages making everyone else feel inferior again with her posts about Iliad verses. That was just my thought.

As for the Iliad and Homer themselves, there's really no point debating their value; I think we all agree there.
I was actually thinking about brushing up on some Ancient Greek and the alphabet with a professor this year. Since I'm not a classicist, I only had two years of Latin back in high school, but man, I love it.
And Troy... well, yeah. If you can avoid that movie, you probably should.
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#148 ·
I’m feeling a little bit mischievous today, but honestly, at least one of those four teachers your son is going to deal with from first through fourth grade—you know, English, his homeroom teacher, music, and maybe religious studies if they even bother with that—is bound to be a decent human being, though you really ought to prepare him for the others.
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#149 ·
shadowowl9 said:🙈 Fair enough. You've got a point there. My only excuse is that I’m no linguistics expert, so I don't exactly encounter that phrase every single day 😬 ; I probably run into it maybe once every five or six years on average.

It isn't that bad, really. I messed up too. I mean, I went to a good high school and actually studied this stuff. But honestly, those old proverbs were never my thing. I always preferred grammar... who knows, I guess.
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#150 ·
nimblewalker58 said:I kind of feel like being a menace today, but look—at least one out of the four teachers your son will deal with from first through fourth grade (English, homeroom, music, and maybe religion—if they even have that) will be a good one. You just have to prepare him for it.

The religion teachers are usually the meanest, though.🙂
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#151 ·
nimblewalker58 said:Why?

Those lines are some pretty intense displays of nationalistic fervor from pre-Christian times. I guess I’m not exactly fluent in ancient tongues, but even through translation—or just a summary—it’s striking how he calls upon muses to justify his hatred for anyone disregarding tradition, while praying for divine intervention to force his version of justice. (And no, don't bring up Troy by Brad Pitt, just ignore the look 🙂 )

Wait, now that you mention your urge to be mean... was that sarcasm?
Lately, I've been trying to convince myself that every single post is made with good intentions, even the ones that absolutely reek of sarcasm.
I'm sorry if I gave you that impression.
Olivia Nguyen4 Olivia Nguyen4 Member
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#152 ·
alexxx said:

If it offers you any comfort, I don't claim any particular nationalist affiliation; I consider myself officially 😁 and personally neutral. 🙂

QUOTE]
The 1990s were overflowing with people just like you—everyone claiming to be "neutral."

In '90, they were "neutral."
In '91, they suddenly found their side and started picking off targets across the city with sniper rifles.
In '92, they were clearly committed to driving Americans out of a third of the country.
By '93, they were firmly dedicated to guarding one of many concentration camps.
By '94, they were more than committed to killing every remaining "fascist" in sight.
Then, when their convictions start to fail them, they pivot to becoming "cooks."
From '96 to '06, they returned to being "neutral" until the next opportunity arose.

The problem is, you won't get another opportunity.
nimblewalker58 nimblewalker58 Active Member
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#153 ·
frozentinker432 said:hold on, now that you mention this urge to be wicked, what, was that sarcasm?
lately, I’ve been trying to convince myself that absolutely every single post here is well-intentioned, even the ones that reek—or rather, smell—of sarcasm
i’m sorry if I left you with that kind of impression.

No, my posts are never meant to be malicious, but people tend to take some of my jokes as attacks—just like they do with your posts. Everything I wrote is exactly what I intended to say. Just read it again, and you'll see I mean it!

Honestly, I think I'm far too old to be hiding behind anonymity, and besides, I'm not even that anonymous to begin with, so why would I bother being anything other than direct? I can afford to speak my mind legally and openly, and that is exactly what I choose to do. So, what you read there was me, plain and simple, and I stand by every word of it.
shadowowl9 shadowowl9 Member
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#154 ·
Zagorakis said:The 90s were full of these "undecided" types. Just a massive wave of people claiming they didn't take sides....

In the 90s, they were "undecided."
Suddenly, they find a side—and a sniper rifle—to clean up the streets.
Clearly decided: driving American folks out of a third of the country.
Firmly decided: guarding one of many concentration camps.
More than firmly decided: hunting down every last "Nationalists" left standing.
When their ideology starts failing them, they pivot to being "cooks."
Then from '96 to '06, they go right back to being "undecided" until the next opportunity arises.

Problem is, you won't get another opportunity.

🤣 🤣 And here I was thinking this was just some donkey caught between two piles of hay, starving to death. 😬 😬
Douglas Rivera Douglas Rivera Member
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#155 ·
the one from that old man Buridan's estate?
frozentinker432 frozentinker432 Member
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#156 ·
@ d@d@

Alright... look, I'm hoping I actually understood what you were trying to say there. I really am. 🙂
shadowowl9 shadowowl9 Member
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#157 ·
Douglas Rivera said:The one from that late old sailor?

Yeah. That's the one.
velvetdriver24 velvetdriver24 Newcomer
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#158 ·
Zagorakis said:So I'm watching the Argentina vs. SCG game yesterday, and my five-year-old kid wanders in. He’s not really into soccer yet—though I wish he was, since I played for six years back in the day, down in the lower leagues—but he looks up and asks if any of our guys are playing.

I guess the flag looked enough like ours for him to ask.

How am I even supposed to explain to him that they aren't just "not us," but actually our number one enemies? That they shot at us, killed people, drove us out, committed atrocities...

How?

I mean, you aren't seriously thinking about dumping all that on a three-year-old, right? You've got time. The kid's gonna grow up, and you gotta raise him right. Teach him the stuff they won't cover in school because of all that political correctness and trying to tone down nationalistic feelings. Just tell him the truth. By the time he's grown, all this will be ancient history anyway—we'll probably be living under the same flag as the Mexicans again—but the kid deserves to know his history so we don't end up repeating the same old mistakes, you know?

And honestly, don't even bother with the people saying you shouldn't teach him anything. You have to know your own history. People who ignore it are just plain fools, doomed to keep making the exact same mistakes. It's the same cycle; the kids will just end up repeating what their parents did.
Edward Green Edward Green Regular
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#159 ·
Zagorakis said:The 90s were full of these "undecided" types. Just a bunch of people who couldn't make up their minds...

90s undecided
91. Suddenly decided, grabbing a sniper rifle and roaming the streets.
92. Decidedly driven to push American out of a third of the country.
93. Firmly decided, guarding one of those many camps.
94. More than firmly decided to kill off every last "Nationalist" left.
95. Once reality hits them hard, they suddenly become "cooks."
96.-06. Back to being undecided until the next time.

Except you won't get another chance.

Yeah, that’s me. I was carrying a sniper by age five! I was just like your son—killing all the bad, bad American who weren't for Greater Mexico!
For the ones I didn't kill, I threatened to end them if they didn't pack up and leave, wearing necklaces made of eyeballs... ALL BY AGE FIVE!!!

Idiots.
Edward Green Edward Green Regular
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#160 ·
Crotoxin said:If that's true, how on earth did he take power in the US, leading the free and democratic world?

LMAO.

Ha.

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