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Participants rowdycyclist53Michael Nelson9Aaron Harris2Jeremy Diaz9Susan Wood3brightcrane56wiredharbor22Frank Rodriguez85Mark Vaughn5hollowtrucker77Asteelskipper5Charles Ramirez59
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
The title pretty much says it all... everyone’s being mentioned—men, women, kids, pregnant ladies... I honestly think people with disabilities deserve a seat at the table here, too.
I wasn't quite sure what kind of thread to start, so here we go.🙂
Michael Nelson9 Michael Nelson9 Newcomer
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#2 ·
I think this belongs over on this sub . Mods, just move it there. 😉☕
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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#3 ·
lol...Works everywhere... actually, let's roll it out as widely as possible so we can get it done sooner rather than later...
See? Not a bad idea.
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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joined Jan 2008
#4 ·
rowdycyclist53 said:The title really does say it all... everyone is being mentioned, men, women, children, pregnant women... I honestly feel that people living with disabilities deserve their own dedicated space on this forum as well.
I am somewhat at a loss as to which specific thread you would propose for such a thing... so, here it is 🙂

However, individuals with disabilities are already participating in equal discussions across every single subforum, so I fail to see why we should limit ourselves to one specific PDF?

Could you perhaps elaborate on the reasoning behind needing a dedicated PDF?
It is certainly true that when seeking the best advice, a direct answer, or even just basic empathy, an individual with a disability can find that most effectively from someone who shares their lived experience... nevertheless, I firmly believe that for those specific moments, one can always simply start a new topic centered around that particular demographic. In the other 95% of our discussions, both those with disabilities and those without participate from the exact same starting point in the debate. 😉
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
Oh, I see. So pregnant women, college students, and high schoolers don't get an equal seat at the table in these debates, so they get their own special PDF instead?
Jeremy Diaz9 Jeremy Diaz9 Active Member
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#6 ·
Aaron Harris2 said:Could you explain why there needs to be a dedicated sub-forum for this?
I suppose it’s true that when it comes to disability, the best advice or insight often comes from someone living with that reality. But my thought is that for those specific moments, it’s probably better to just start a dedicated thread focused on that community. In the other 95% of discussions here, someone with a disability and someone without one are essentially starting from the same baseline.😉

Maybe it's because people with disabilities have unique requirements...
And regarding your point about how any question or topic can be posted anywhere...
Let's look at it this way—you used to moderate over on Reddit...
Imagine if someone with a disability posted a question about their sex life; what do you think the mods over there would do to them?
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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#7 ·
I find myself compelled to address the ongoing discourse surrounding this matter, as I believe several fundamental truths have been overlooked in recent discussions. It is my firm conviction that we must approach these developments with a level of analytical rigor that has, quite frankly, been sorely lacking until now. One cannot simply skim the surface of such complex issues and expect to arrive at a meaningful conclusion; rather, one must dive deep into the underlying structures that govern our current situation. It is truly disheartening to witness how easily certain arguments are accepted without sufficient scrutiny, yet I remain steadfast in my commitment to dissecting these nuances. We must demand more from our dialogue, ensuring that every assertion is backed by substantive reasoning rather than mere emotional impulse. I intend to continue providing these detailed observations, for I believe that clarity is the only path forward in an increasingly muddled landscape. kaže:
So, I find myself wondering if we have reached a point where certain groups—pregnant women, college students, even high schoolers—are somehow deemed ineligible for equal standing in a debate? It seems to imply that they require their own specialized documentation or a specific PDF just to validate their perspectives.

Let us be perfectly clear from the very beginning: there is a part of my soul that would undoubtedly be the first to raise its hand in support of opening a file like that, but I simply cannot justify it when the targets are such vulnerable people—we are talking about students, pregnant women, and those who are already struggling.
That is precisely why I am so eager to see them featured—and frankly, I believe it is high time we saw a comprehensive series of open discussions regarding disability rights integrated across all our digital publications.
It is undeniably true that the layout lacks clarity, yet we must consider the fundamental purpose of this space. When one individual seeks heartfelt counsel regarding their romantic life, another wishes to discuss a career opportunity they have applied for, and a third simply wants to share their passion for outdoor recreation—such as hiking through the Rockies—we require this level of diversity. This platform exists precisely because our interests are varied and multifaceted.

Please take a moment to examine the link provided below, which I am presenting here as a primary example for our consideration. 😉

Jeremy Diaz9 said:Perhaps it is simply because individuals living with disabilities possess unique requirements that necessitate a different approach altogether.
Regarding your assertion that I am permitted to post any question or initiate any topic regardless of its location within this forum...
Let us consider this scenario, shall we? You were once an administrator on a major US discussion forum...
Imagine, if you will, the profound complexity and the inherent dignity involved when an individual living with a physical disability chooses to pose a question regarding their intimate life. It is a matter that demands our utmost respect and a deeply nuanced understanding of the human condition. One must approach such inquiries not with superficiality, but with a sincere commitment to empathy and an unwavering recognition of the universality of human desire. Such questions are not merely curiosities; they are vital expressions of the fundamental need for connection and intimacy that exists within every single person, regardless of their physical circumstances. What on earth would those people from Ljesa actually do if they were given any real authority?

What if we actually went ahead and created something like this... for instance, what about this specific approach?

I am truly perplexed by the sheer volume of mindless noise currently flooding our public discourse, particularly regarding the recent legislative shifts we are seeing in Washington. It seems that instead of engaging in any meaningful, substantive debate about the future of our nation, the masses have opted to descend into a state of perpetual, unbridled hysteria. I find myself staring at my screen in utter disbelief as I witness the absolute lack of intellectual rigor being applied to these critical issues; it is, quite frankly, exhausting to observe such a widespread abandonment of logic. I was reading a thread earlier where rowdycyclist53 attempted to make a coherent point—which was a rare occurrence, I might add—only to be immediately swarmed by a pack of reactionary voices who seem more interested in performative outrage than in actually understanding the nuances of the policy at hand. This trend is not isolated to one corner of the internet; it is a systemic failure of our modern communicative culture. We have traded deep, contemplative analysis for the cheap dopamine hit of a quick jab or a sarcastic retort, and the consequences for our democratic stability are nothing short of dire. It brings to mind the way people react to major corporate scandals in places like New York or Chicago; there is always that initial, explosive wave of indignation, followed by a rapid and disappointing descent into apathy once the news cycle moves on to the next shiny object. We are doing the same thing here, but on a much more fundamental level. If we cannot maintain a standard of decorum and, more importantly, a commitment to factual accuracy, then we are essentially shouting into a void of our own making. I firmly believe that unless we demand a higher caliber of discourse from ourselves and our leaders, we will continue to spiral into this fragmented, chaotic mess that passes for national conversation today.

I implore you all to find the fortitude to sit down and work your way through these approximately six pages; I truly believe the content warrants your undivided attention.

This particular thread is etched deeply into my memory—it resides in the very core of my heart, if you will, regardless of how one chooses to frame such an intense emotional connection. 😍
Susan Wood3 Susan Wood3 Member
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#8 ·
There’s actually a solid forum for OPP 🎉

Anyway, I sent you the link via DM 😉 just so it doesn't look like I'm out here running ads 🥳
Jeremy Diaz9 Jeremy Diaz9 Active Member
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#9 ·
Aaron Harris2 said:They would have made himaaaaa... like this, for example?

Please, I’m asking you, just try to get yourselves to read these six pages or so...

This thread stays with me... deep in my memory, in my heart... however you want to put it. 😍

Sure, but that's more about psychology than mechanics, if you catch my drift...
By the way, if I'm remembering correctly, you were a moderator back then—how many trolls did you end up banning on that thread?
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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#10 ·
Jeremy Diaz9 said:Sure, but we are talking about psychology here rather than pure mechanics, if you catch my drift...
Furthermore, if my memory serves me correctly, you were acting as a moderator back then, so tell me, how many controversial posts did you actually scrub from the forums during that time?

If I catch your drift?
Of course I understand what you mean... though, admittedly, that depends entirely on the specific topic at hand....

If I am not mistaken, not a single post has ever been deleted due to any sort of "political correctness" or censorship... 😬
The way I see it—that is simply the reality of the situation.

As for what you asked—do they even have room on the guest list? 😉
brightcrane56 brightcrane56 Member
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#11 ·
Way to go, Aaron Harris2. 👍

People with disabilities don't necessarily need a space just to hang out with one another; what they actually need is to be integrated into the rest of society. Creating a dedicated sub-forum just for them would be the exact opposite of what they want—it would basically just isolate them from everyone else.
And like Aaron Harris2 pointed out, these individuals are men and women, pregnant women, students, and professionals... they are part of our entire community.
If you truly want to be helpful, why not start a thread on any of the existing forums about the specific daily challenges they face? I guarantee they would appreciate that much more.
Jeremy Diaz9 Jeremy Diaz9 Active Member
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#12 ·
Aaron Harris2 said:What are you getting at—are they supposed to have a seat at the table? 😉

Look, I didn't say we should force them out of the conversation...
I just think the topic you brought up here is more of an outlier than the norm...
And honestly, it’s about fostering actual dialogue, but also acknowledging the sheer guts it takes for someone with a disability to speak up or even ask questions in a space like Reddit....
There are dedicated TV and radio programs specifically for people with disabilities for that exact reason; it isn't about creating ghettos, it’s just addressing a specific need.
It's just easier for them that way.......
Though, if we go down that road, we might as well start giving moderator powers to everyone from Native Americans to people without social security numbers...
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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#13 ·
It is certainly not an exaggeration to suggest that people lack basic common sense; if you would just take a moment to re-read the comments from both the teenagers and the adults 😁 on that particular thread, you would see exactly what I mean.

This isn't some outlier case; it is a fundamental reality. 🙂

(And for the record, I am not suggesting the moderators are incompetent either, as they certainly possess the skill required to root out malicious intent in threads like those)
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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#14 ·
Maybe you’re misinterpreting what this "corner" is actually for. It sounds like you think it’s some exclusive club just for people with disabilities who aren't welcome anywhere else. 🙂
No way!!!!!!!!

The disability corner wouldn't be restricted to just those living with a disability. It would include anyone connected to the community—parents, specialists, or anyone with relevant knowledge looking to lend a hand. As someone working in this field, I’d actually be one of the first people visiting this forum to offer support.
We aren't here to talk about romance or sex; there are plenty of other places for that. There are massive, real-world challenges surrounding disability, and many people simply don't know where to turn... they often find themselves hitting dead ends everywhere they go.
Take new moms with a child facing a disability, for example. They have endless questions, yet doctors often provide little to no guidance. You see it all the time.
Questions like: when should therapy start? Which type of therapy is best? Where can we find these services? Who are the top experts in the field? There's a mountain of uncertainty.
Honestly, providing practical advice to someone navigating a disability is far more useful than listening to people debate which dating app to use tonight.

And honestly, maybe we shouldn't even call it the "disability corner." That might make it sound like it's closed off to everyone else. Maybe something like "Disability Support" or something similar would work better.
wiredharbor22 wiredharbor22 Active Member
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#15 ·
Do you have any idea how many spammers and trolls this is going to attract?
And hold on, are you actually suggesting that doctors will barely say anything, yet random people on an online forum will be able to step in and help them? 😕
rowdycyclist53 rowdycyclist53 NewcomerOP
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#16 ·
Let’s be real, doctors don't know everything. In fact, there's a lot they're surprisingly clueless about. Mine didn't even know how to properly remove a tick or what the potential fallout could be.
If medical professionals actually had all the answers, people probably wouldn't be traveling across the country looking for second opinions.
There's a massive difference between a doctor and someone who actually lives this every day—people with real-world experience who are deep in the trenches.
I remember seeing a post on a forum where a mom was asking for recommendations on sensory integration therapy for her kid. It was clear her pediatrician hadn't given her a single lead on it. I'm no MD, but even I knew more than that.
wiredharbor22 wiredharbor22 Active Member
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#17 ·
And do you really think there are enough people like you on this forum?
Don't generalize, though. I mean, most doctors probably aren't aware of these things, but they could certainly look into it if they actually bothered...
Frank Rodriguez85 Frank Rodriguez85 Member
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#18 ·
It’s honestly pretty pathetic—if a massive community like this one can't find a dedicated space for OPP discussions, then what's the point? We have plenty of room for all these various trolling threads that provide zero value to anyone and never will...
Aaron Harris2 Aaron Harris2 Member
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#19 ·
Accommodations for individuals with special needs are available, and they are consistently provided across all locations.

And here is a perfect example to demonstrate the genuine level of interest directed toward that specific area. 🙂
Mark Vaughn5 Mark Vaughn5 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Susan Wood3 said:there's actually a solid forum for the Republican Party🎉

anyway, I sent you the link via DM😉 just so it doesn't look like I'm running an ad here🥳

Pretty sure we're thinking of the same forum😉

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