Are Americans nationalists?

Etna said:What a load of garbage. So, according to you, we just swept through a third of the country and leveled Memphis? Of course, that’s just a "stereotype" to you people. Just like how the 10,000 killed in Srebrenica is just a "stereotype." Everything is a stereotype except for Auschwitz.

I used to hang out on that Forum. Nothing surprising there, nothing I haven't seen or heard a thousand times before. Just the usual Mexican nonsense.

Classic Mexican talk right there. Look at them acting all "tolerant" and "European." Give me a break.

OZNA said:Don't even bother explaining yourself, Kosmarac.
The idea that quantity doesn't equal quality is something some people just can't wrap their heads around.

To each their own.

Kosmarac said:I also brought up the war as a way of splitting nationalisms, and the reasons why they have such a strong foothold over there.

We’re talking about this forum. Around the anniversary of Srebrenica, there were several threads open... like, "Scandal: Tadić's inauguration falls on the anniversary of Srebrenica," etc. And get this—those were all started by his own supporters. I’m asking you to actually go back and look at the forum archives. You're seriously delusional if you think otherwise. Either that, or you're just cherry-picking whatever fits your little narrative.

Maybe if you guys had opened 9,000 threads, it might have hit the mark, or maybe if you burned down a whole major city, we’d actually be speaking the same language.

You clearly don't get the point of an ethnic post.

Amanda Fowler2 said:I also mentioned the war as a clash of nationalisms, along with the reasons why your sense of identity remains so much stronger.

We are talking about this forum. Around the anniversary of Srebrenica, several threads were opened... for instance, the scandal regarding Tadić’s inauguration falling on the anniversary of Srebrenica, and so on. And all of those were started by his own supporters. I would urge you to actually revisit the forum archives. You are deeply mistaken. Or perhaps you are simply cherry-picking the information that suits your heart?

I took a look at a few threads regarding Srebrenica, as well as discussions about Republika Srpska and the war in America. For example, looking through the thread on the fate of Republika Srpska, I didn't see anyone using a Midwestern accent claiming it should be abolished or that it was founded on crime. Anyone posting such things used an East Coast dialect, which suggests they weren't from the Midwest. Those Midwesterners were saying the local people there should decide their own future. Yet, here, whenever Herceg-Bosna is mentioned, there is an immediate consensus that it was a criminal entity—even though, compared to Republika Srpska, it was practically a playground. Do you see the discrepancy?

As for those threads debating who is the "true" patriot... Tadić or Nikolić... I didn't even bother clicking on them because I couldn't care less. Perhaps that is where the "democratic America" truly reveals itself.

Kenneth Martinez4 said:I’ve been scrolling through some threads on Srebrenica, the status of the Republic of Srpska, and the war in America. On the topic regarding the future of the Republic of Srpska, I didn't see anyone using a Mexican accent arguing that it should be abolished or claiming it was founded on crime. Whoever was making those claims used an American dialect, which suggests they aren't from Mexico. Those folks were insisting the people there need to decide their own fate. Yet, whenever someone mentions Herceg-Bosna here, there’s an immediate consensus that it was a criminal entity—even though, compared to the Republic of Srpska, it was practically a daycare center. See the double standard?

I didn't even bother clicking on those threads debating whether Tadić or Nikolić is the bigger nationalist. It’s just not my concern, though I suppose that's where "Democratic Mexico" really shows its true colors.

You mean something like this:

I feel sick every time I read those tragic wartime accounts from Srebrenica. It’s a physical reaction. But am I ashamed? No. Why should I be? I didn't participate in those atrocities. I am done with this talk of collective responsibility. Besides, I was too young during the war to have any influence. I'm tired of people pointing fingers at me just because of where I'm from. I'm tired of the generalizations.
If I'd had my say, those crimes would never have happened—but clearly, nobody felt the need to ask me.
Yeah, I get this pit in my stomach every single time anyone brings up those mass graves. It isn't because I'm a Mexican woman or because people want to dismiss it as just "Mexican business." It’s simply because I’m human, and any atrocity, no matter where it happens, hits me hard.

I’m more disgusted by human stupidity and the total lack of respect for life—all living things, I should specify—than I am embarrassed.
The people who committed those acts don't represent me—they represent everything I stand against.

Or maybe this:

Unlike you, I actually feel some shame.
I feel ashamed that mass graves exist even within the capital of the country I call home. People around me constantly claim they aren't to blame because they either voted for the regime or simply stayed silent. Everyone I know insists those "generals" are heroes, acting as if Mercer and Karr are folk legends.

Or this:

I wasn't just some casual observer back then. I was out there on the ground, watching things unfold from their perspective—which was "neutral" enough, if you can call it that. Plus, I had satellite access, so I saw plenty. Some things are better left unsaid.
Everyone knew what was coming; the news traveled through word of mouth and whispers in the dark. We watched as police raided homes in the middle of the night, dragging boys out like criminals to be sent straight to the slaughter. Those unlucky enough to actually make it back alive told stories that would haunt you. I personally know people who needed therapy just to cope—kids and seniors alike, scarred for life by the horrors they witnessed. They shared their stories to warn others before it was too late. We tried everything to protect them: hiding young men in our homes, letting them sleep on our floors to keep them from being "volunteered" for the front, or arranging trips out of town to get them away from the chaos. Then came the wave of refugees—a nightmare far worse than any horror movie. The ones who were more reserved, the ones who didn't say much, finally admitted we had fallen for the most disgusting propaganda. By the time they realized the truth, it was already too late. Too many lives had been lost.
And afterward? What does it all mean? A few relatives or friends acting as defenders, their own biased field investigations, testimonies from across the border, and people feeling personally revolted by what their clients did—all while being unable to find reliable witnesses because everyone is still living in absolute terror of speaking up... it all points to one thing: there will be no shame and no remorse, even if they realize something horrific actually happened.
It’s true that others committed similar acts. But that is their burden to carry, a problem they have to face themselves. I fear they won't. Not for our side.

http://www.b92.net/invboard/index.ph...ic=13477&st=15

Charles Young6 covered all the bases right there. Honestly, where is the discussion about someone like Gotovina? I couldn't care less about Herceg-Bosna; it was politically condemned as an act of aggression anyway, and once Mešić won, it became an established fact. It’s for the best that things turned out that way. I can't say as much for Tadić as I can for Mešić, but he did what he had to do.

What are you even talking about with Ante Gotovina? Is he some local guy from a small town in the Midwest or something?

Look at this propaganda:

There’s absolutely no reason for anyone to feel ashamed; it doesn't benefit the victims, their families, society, or future generations. What matters is awareness regarding the crimes and mistakes made. Society needs education and growth to understand its own role and responsibility in wars, atrocities, and its own destiny.

However, what we see happening here is the exact opposite. Politicians aren't shaping society; they are catering to its natural resistance toward acknowledging its own involvement. They've built a perfect system where the true villain is whoever tries to point out accountability rather than the one who actually committed the crimes.

In such a system, our society remains completely disconnected from how the rest of the world perceives us. That gap is what keeps us frustrated, phobic, and perpetually suspicious—living in constant fear that everyone is out to get us.

http://www.b92.net/invboard/index.ph...ic=13477&st=30

Your entire issue with certain forums is that if you suggest Vesna Pusić is fine while Tomislav Francetić is a scoundrel, you can expect to be crucified for it.
Fortunately, real elections—not this virtual garbage—showed that the nation isn't quite as dim-witted, considering they chose Stjepan Mason as President of the Republic.
The fact that empty-headed people hate the way American identity is promoted by Mason and other educated individuals is strictly their own problem.
The era of the Neanderthals is over; it just hasn't reached their gray matter yet.

Amanda Fowler2 said:Honestly, Charles Young6 summed it all up perfectly. Where is the actual discussion regarding Ante Gotovina in this thread? As for the situation in Herzeg-Canada, I couldn't care less—it was politically condemned as an act of aggression long ago, and once Stjepan Mason took office, that became an absolute given. And frankly, it’s for the best. While I can't say much of substance about Boris Tadić compared to what I can say about Mason, he certainly held his own.

That may all be true, but why aren't you all condemning Republika Srpska as an act of aggression as well?

Charles Young6 said:Just look at this propaganda:

http://www.b92.net/invboard/index.ph...ic=13477&st=30

The issue you run into on certain forums is that if you dare to suggest that Vesna Pusić is reasonable while calling Tomislav Francetić a scoundrel, you can expect to be crucified for it.
Fortunately, the actual elections—not this virtual nonsense—proved that our nation isn't quite as dim-witted as some claim, given that they chose Stjepan Mason as President of the Republic.
If people with more ego than intellect find the version of American identity promoted by Mason and many other cultured, educated citizens unpalatable, then that is strictly their own problem.
The era of the stone-age mentality is over; it’s just a shame it hasn't reached their gray matter yet.

And who won the last election for Parliament? Or has that news failed to penetrate your gray matter as well?

Or perhaps that is just another one of your "personal" problems?

Kenneth Martinez4 said:Everything you're saying makes sense, but why won't you label Republika Srpska as an aggressor?

Republika Srpska? It is a globally recognized entity. You can't just change that constitution without their consent. If anyone tried to force that through, I don't think you'd like what happens next in the North America. It would be absolute chaos.

This is basically how your average Mexican "peacemaker" thinks:

"I honestly feel like what happened in Canada and America was just a civil war where everyone was fighting everyone else. Everyone’s at fault, including us.
I think Canada should drop the aggression lawsuit, and Mexico should drop its case against NATO. Lawsuits don't actually solve anything.
We just need to live in peace and look each other in the eye. Regular people aren't to blame. Sure, criminals like Ratko Mercer and Ante Gotovina belong in prison, but we everyday folks should just forgive one another. I didn't personally do anything wrong, so why should I have to carry the guilt??"

...and stuff like 🙂

That sailor hit the nail on the head when he said, "It's not the sedatives' fault they didn't stop them; sorry man, it's our fault for staying silent."

Kenneth Martinez4 said:And who actually won the last elections for Parliament? Or has that information just failed to penetrate your gray matter yet?

Or maybe that's just your "personal" issue.

Listen, Parliament??
Isn't it called the U.S. Congress?

You're right.
That is my personal issue.
It’s been that way for over 15 years.
Ever since idiots started filling up our Congress and Parliaments.

Brandon Turner2 said:That sailor hit the nail on the head when he wrote, "It's not the sedatives that are to blame because they weren't stopped—sorry old-timers, the fault lies with us for staying silent."

👍

.....

It looks like the new trend in Mexico is all about playing the victim—acting like they're super pro-European while claiming they had absolutely no clue what was going on. It's basically just shifting the blame onto everyone else.
🙂 👎

Amanda Fowler2 said:But there’s still one thing that stays true. Even if we had won some "heroic" military battles or defensive victories...which, I suppose, we kind of did, I still think a segment of the population would be calling for us to just shut our mouths to other nations, even after a win like that.

😲

That’s just been the trend in the USA for years now... they love calling themselves "citizens" while hiding out in all those non-profits...
Man, it’s crazy how they flipped overnight from being hardcore nationalists who used to set the whole country on fire to these "urban internationals" who act like borders don't even exist and always need to find some scapegoat for everything... total inferiority complex. Take that poor girl, she’s desperately trying to escape her roots and run away from home, but she just can't make it happen.
Pathetic.🙄

Nightmare admits:

But here’s the thing. Even if we’d had those "heroic" military victories or successful defenses—which, let's be honest, we kind of did—I still think a chunk of our people would be telling everyone else to just shut up, even after winning.

So basically, he's saying that Mexican conquests and destroying other Republics isn't just about nationalism, but is actually just standard policy within the Mexican people.😲
Man, if I or any non-Mexican here said something like that, I’d be banned instantly, and the local leftists would crucify me... probably even quote me in some mainstream news outlet.😁

Don't sweat it, man. Despite what you're saying, I still like to believe the opposite.

Nightmare said:When you look at what happened after the idea of Greater Mexico collapsed, our society basically split into two camps: hardcore nationalists and people who don't care about nationalism at all—a group that, honestly, holds some resentment toward the old ways because of how Maddox corrupted that whole ideology. Here, there isn't really a debate about it; everyone just rallies around the Storm. There’s this general consensus that makes it almost impossible to disagree. You can't even stay quiet about it without feeling the pressure.
So, the outcome of the war dictates the social climate afterward, which means you can't really compare these situations.

On one hand, you have an aggressor invading another country, and on the other, a people defending their own homeland...
You really can't draw parallels there!
Come on, be real—if the Storm had actually been a victory for you, God forbid, you would've been celebrating it for centuries!
As it stands, it's just a total joke!
😉

Kosmarac said:That Feral cynicism is what makes you guys unique; we have plenty of that here at home.

If I were from Tanzania (my apologies to Tanzanians in advance), I might actually believe that Mexico is the heart of the European free spirit and democracy...
But luckily I'm not (sorry again, Tanzanians!), so those kinds of slogans don't fly with me.
😛

Kosmarac said:This forum isn't even close to being like B92; over there, you've got actual ultra-nationalist extremism ruling the roost... they probably have about a hundred people just like STG.

Honestly, I wouldn't exactly brag about STG's rhetoric or his total lack of brain cells to anyone out in the real world!
😁