Arming Ukraine

True Lover said:Maybe Germany finally steps up and sends something actually useful. Like, sending rocket launchers to Ukraine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AFP/statu...14166949089291

Lol, nah—they basically just gave Estonia the green light to hand over their RPGs to Ukraine. I think Estonia bought them from Finland, who got them from Germany, and since Germany holds the veto power for stuff moving into war zones, they’re technically calling the shots.

Andrij Melnyk, the Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany, is basically saying he’s completely floored by how US officials have been brushing him off when he asks for military support.

Apparently—and this is the wild part—he’s been chatting with ministers who basically tell him, “Look, you guys only have a few hours left anyway, so what’s the point in us stepping in now?”

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...28484868071424

silentsurfer3 said:Andrij Melnyk, the Ukrainian Ambassador to Germany, is basically saying he’s completely floored by how US officials have been brushing him off when he asks for military support.

Apparently—and this is the wild part—he’s been chatting with ministers who basically tell him, “Look, you guys only have a few hours left anyway, so what’s the point in us stepping in now?”

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/statu...28484868071424

That's just awful.

Germans: Sending 500 Stingers and 1,000 Panzerfaust 3s over to Ukraine.

Hannah Williams8 said:That's just awful.

Good morning. I can't help but wonder what kind of narrative they were feeding us during those first few months of the war—and frankly, some people are still swallowing it. And who was it that actually slapped that weapons embargo on everyone, including us? It was the EEZ and the UN.

velvetcyclist95 said:Germans: Sending 500 Stingers and 1,000 Panzerfaust 3s over to Ukraine.

Oh wow, looks like they finally realized this isn't some freaking joke. Talk about a massive U-turn in German foreign policy!

Alright, here we go. We're talking 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stingers

Chancellor Scholz: The Russian attack Marks a turning point. It is our duty to do our best to help Ukraine defend itself against Putin's invading army. Therefore, we are supplying 1000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger missiles to our friends in Ukraine

https://mobile.twitter.com/Bundeskan...32817450266632

The US is currently dispatching $350 million worth of anti-armor and anti-aircraft weaponry

Tyler Jones6 said:The US is currently dispatching $350 million worth of anti-armor and anti-aircraft weaponry

Does anyone actually know how many individual units or what specific types of gear we're talking about here? Is there a reliable source out there confirming the breakdown...

We were talking about planes yesterday.

The real question is, who on earth would actually be flying them...

Richard Wilson4 said:We were talking about planes yesterday.

The real question is, who on earth would actually be flying them...

I had the exact same thought, because you can't just hand someone a jet without the specialized training to go with it. This whole thing only really works if they're being handed over planes that the pilots are already trained to handle...

Jessica Morris6 said:I had the exact same thought, because you can't just hand someone a jet without the specialized training to go with it. This whole thing only really works if they're being handed over planes that the pilots are already trained to handle...

Plus, there's a real chance they just brought in some volunteer pilots who already know their way around a MIG-29...

Half of the EU used to be under the Russian boot back during the Warsaw Pact days.

I’m sorry, I don't recognize that specific term or context. Could you provide more details? kaže:
It’s just a matter of permission, really. She basically gave Estonia the green light to ship their RPGs over to Ukraine. And how did they get them? Well, Estonia picked them up from Finland, who in turn sourced them from Germany. It's all interconnected. Does Germany actually have veto power if they decide to enter a combat zone? It’s an interesting question to think about. Does anyone else wonder how that legal authority actually works in practice when things get heated?

Germany actually has laws that prevent them from sending their own weapons directly into active combat zones. It's an interesting situation, isn't it? They have to navigate these strict legal hurdles when it comes to supplying arms during conflicts.

Sure, why not? Rules are pretty flexible when you’re talking about petrodollars and Saudi Arabia.

I’m really curious to see what the US is actually going to send over. The Government is expected to make an official decision on it later today.

Larry Newman4 said:I’m really curious to see what the US is actually going to send over. The Government is expected to make an official decision on it later today.

Protective gear and small arms worth about $18 million.

Rachel Barrett8 said:

I’m sorry, I don't recognize that specific term or context. Could you provide more details? kaže:
It’s just a matter of permission, really. She basically gave Estonia the green light to ship their RPGs over to Ukraine. And how did they get them? Well, Estonia picked them up from Finland, who in turn sourced them from Germany. It's all interconnected. Does Germany actually have veto power if they decide to enter a combat zone? It’s an interesting question to think about. Does anyone else wonder how that legal authority actually works in practice when things get heated?

Germany actually has laws that prevent them from sending their own weapons directly into active combat zones. It's an interesting situation, isn't it? They have to navigate these strict legal hurdles when it comes to supplying arms during conflicts.

Sure, why not? Rules are pretty flexible when you’re talking about petrodollars and Saudi Arabia.

That is no longer the case. They are currently shipping supplies to Ukraine.
Anything beyond the complexity of basic shoulder-fired launchers is going to be a massive question mark.
There is all this talk about fighter jets, but given Russia's air superiority, the real question is how long they will actually survive in that environment.
One potentially useful avenue would be providing drones and the necessary munitions to support them.
Maybe some heavy anti-aircraft systems, though without proper training, it’s highly unlikely Western crews could handle them effectively.

It looks like someone in the U.S. government has seriously miscalculated their budget. What kind of logic allows for four brigades to cost only $17 million?
https://www.nytimes.com/news/us-government-budget-analysis-15164116

Sending weapons is a direct message to Putin, who’s clearly getting a bit too comfortable with his dictatorial power. In his recent rhetoric, he threatened anyone who dares to intervene in this conflict with consequences beyond their wildest imagination. But let's be real: providing weaponry is considered "interfering" in his eyes, isn't it? The entire world is stepping up to support Ukraine, with about 40 different nations already contributing hardware. I can't help but wonder how Putin is going to react to this level of global solidarity. Actually, I think I know exactly what his move will be. He’s going to throw a massive tantrum and scream from the rooftops that we are all meddling in the conflict 😁

It isn't exactly a weapon, though perhaps it carries even more weight than a blade or something similar.
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/...92515262746630
At this point, I suppose it’s becoming impossible to plug the leaks, even if we were looking at a city completely cut off from the rest of the country.

Richard Wilson4 said:Plus, there's a real chance they just brought in some volunteer pilots who already know their way around a MIG-29...

Half of the EU used to be under the Russian boot back during the Warsaw Pact days.

There are still NATO countries with operational MIG-29s that Ukrainian pilots are trained to fly. Given the circumstances, that would be the most practical move right now.

Larry Newman4 said:I’m really curious to see what the US is actually going to send over. The Government is expected to make an official decision on it later today.

They should provide them with Strela 2 m, igla, Metis, and konkurs. We have those in our inventory, and we'll be replacing them with more modern equipment soon.

Richard Wilson4 said:We were talking about planes yesterday.

The real question is, who on earth would actually be flying them...

The Ukrainian side claims they reached an agreement allowing their pilots to use operational airfields in Poland. I don't know how smart that move is. Putin could easily launch a ballistic missile at those airfields and just say, "See? I told you so." Anyway, the Ukrainians are saying they've been handed 70 aircraft. Mostly MiG-29s, maybe 25 of them. Who knows what kind of condition they're actually in? Besides, what happened to the rest of the Ukrainian fleet? Sure, they lost some airfields, but the planes were tucked away in hangars or buried in hillsides. They didn't manage to wipe out 300 planes sitting on the ground.