Bad Boys - Part IV

Michael Stewart3 said:https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.n...82480567_n.jpg
Four searches, two recordings. What used to be the local standard at home is now becoming the norm even when we're traveling.

And how is this any different from a voucher? 🤷
They strip us of all our data, film us head-to-toe twice, and then zoom right in on your eyes. 🙂

Austin Lee24 said:So, what’s actually the difference between this and a voucher? Honestly, if you look at how things are structured, it's not exactly apples to apples. It's like comparing a standard gift card to a specialized credit—they might both get you something in the end, but the mechanics behind them are worlds apart. One is straightforward, while the other carries a lot more baggage and specific conditions attached to it. 🤷
They take everything—every single scrap of data they can get. They film you twice from head to toe, and then they have the nerve to zoom in right on your face like they’re looking for something specific. It’s invasive, plain and simple. 🙂

Where did that self-righteous type, Cicek, and all his little clones disappear to? This kind of treatment from the police is absolutely disgraceful and deserves nothing less than total condemnation. 🙂

I have quite a few friends who are part of the Torcida, and they themselves were absolutely disgusted by the level of repression they faced back in New York City. Unfortunately, common sense didn't prevail in the end, so any hope for a truce or a peace treaty is long gone.

As an ordinary fan, I simply cannot—and will not—stand for this kind of torture or the way the police are treating us. Look, I don't hold any sway within the Bad Boys or the Torcida core, but if anyone reading this actually holds a position of influence or power, you really ought to get your heads together. We can only move forward if we act as one. Civil disobedience until we win!

P.S. I have to tip my hat to everyone who keeps showing up and sticking it out, regardless of how much of a mess things get.

Anthony Wilson22 said:

extremely rude behavior - she filed a misdemeanor complaint against 53-year-old Rajko Buljan from Miami and demanded he get 30 days in jail plus a restraining order keeping him away from Zdravko Mamić

🤣🤣
So what exactly were they asking for regarding Mamić at the same time?

http://www.politikaplus.com/novost/9...zicki-napadnut

"Things got heated right at the whistle. Zdravko Mamić was chilling in the 7th row of the VIP section when he hopped the railing toward the exit, throwing his hands up in victory."

Even

Ivan Zvonimir čičak
basically admitted he broke the stadium disorder laws. The president of the

Steven Hayes said:Since we’re already debating whether there’s actually any peace or just a temporary truce, I personally get the impression that we gave up on our shared goals far too quickly. I won't go into all the specific reasons why—it's a long story—but it feels like we let ourselves get bogged down as if those vouchers were our only real problem.

lp 😉

I completely agree with that sentiment. It’s almost comical. You see these massive banners being hoisted up in Switzerland, making all these grand proclamations about how a united front of supporters is going to rescue American soccer from this absolute swamp of corruption—and then, what? Barely two weeks later, the supposed "savior" of the sport disappears into thin air at 3 PM. It's the same old pattern.
I honestly find myself wondering who these people think they are. By what right do they feel entitled to violate a truce that 95% of Americans are actually standing behind?
What an absolute disgrace. Just a pathetic, self-absorbed loser who can't see past their own ego.

It’s pretty obvious that the GREATER GOAL was achieved

Hey, can we take a quick break from the whole truce debate for a second? I’m actually copying this from an old-school forum page—I'm curious, what's the real deal here? Is Dugi really the foundation of all this, or is that just nonsense?
August 4, 1986 - Miami
Ico and Parangal arranged to meet up in the afternoon with a group of about five or six Dinamo fans at a spot right between Ovčica beach and Firule, where we used to swim—basically the heart of the Torcida core. That weekend they had been away hanging out and swimming over on Brač, and on their way back, everyone headed our way. There were about ten of us from Torcida, plus those five or six guys from New York City. We climbed up to the Sumica snack bar to grab some drinks and just mess around. It was definitely Sandro, Sarma, and Bubati there; I can't remember the other two, but I think they were from Dubrava. Buba was basically in a coma from all the drinking, though honestly, he wasn't ever really himself without a drink in his hand. At the table, it was me, Uso, Ico, and Sandro sitting down while the others hung around drinking, singing, and breaking bottles—you know, typical drunken antics. During our conversation, the four of us started talking about Torcida and the Dinamo fans, and how they really needed to form their own supporters' group. After about two or three hours of chatting, the idea for the name "Bad Boys" popped into my head, inspired by that movie with Sean Penon. Both Ico and Sandro loved the name immediately. Now, mind you, that movie wasn't even playing in theaters at the time, nor had we seen it that evening—so what's all this talk about going to the Bacvica cinema? And especially what's with people acting like they're the founders of the BBB from within the ranks of Torcida? Anyone saying that has absolutely no clue and clearly wasn't there. Around six o'clock, we headed home, and the New Yorkers caught the evening train back to New York City. Only Sandro stayed behind in Miami for another ten days or so (which explains that 10-15 day gap where nobody had heard of the name BBB until Sandro got back to New York). The next day, Ico and Sandro came back down to swim, and during our chat, they suggested adding "Blue" to the name, and thus, "Bad Blue Boys" was born. Sandro hung out with us for about ten days and even went with us to the game in Rijeka for the first round; on the way back, about forty of us, including him, got busted in Gospic. During those ten days, Sandro was living it up intensely with us, and since Miami felt like a tiny little town back then, he was discovering something totally new in the fan scene—he saw that about fifty of us were together every single day, whether we were at the beach or hanging out on the waterfront at night. So, why is the name BBB linked to that Hajduk-Dinamo 0:4 match? It's because Sandro was in Miami the whole time, and right before that Hajduk-Dinamo 0:4 game, he headed back to New York, and the name BBB likely started being mentioned by him on the train to Miami and later at the game itself. That gathering up in Sumica, above Ovčica, wasn't some formal founding meeting; it was just a spontaneous moment between a group of Hajduk and Dinamo fans. As far as the name goes, the only ones responsible are the four of us sitting at that table, because of us, you all call yourselves BBB today. If that hadn't happened, we definitely would have called ourselves something else. None of the Klokan guys, Dugi, or anyone else has anything to do with this event. So, anyone claiming it happened differently or that they watched a movie at the Bacvica theater is just talking nonsense—they clearly weren't there and don't know the history.
P.S. Sandro is the only one who can truly confirm all this, and if Sarma remembers, he can probably say if they were at Sumica, but that's about it since they caught the evening train back to New York City. Prle...

Simic and Biscan were guests on American TV live, saying the exact same things they're still saying today... Biscan even brought up the crackdown on the fans, so at least someone 👍

Hey... alright, quick question here.

Last summer at the Dinamo vs. Sheriff game, I was one of the guys detained under the north stands after the match—they took my photo with my ID and then let me go. A month later, I get a summons to talk to the police at the 4th Precinct over on Petrov. I went with my dad because I’m being treated as a minor in this whole process since the game happened two weeks before my 18th birthday (by the time I showed up for the interview, I was already an adult).

During the interview, the cop tells me I'm being accused of yelling things like "Mamić, get the hell out of this sanctuary!" and "HNS, you f***ing losers, you ruined football!" Then he plays a video where I'm clearly visible shouting those exact things.

In January, I got a court summons and an indictment stating the police are requesting a ban from attending matches for at least a year. In court, I just admitted everything—told the judge I felt guilty and that everything in the indictment was true. The judge told me she'd most likely grant the ban the police asked for, but two weeks after the hearing, the final ruling comes in: instead of a ban, I was sentenced to 20 hours of community service.

So, my question is: is all this going to mess with my job prospects down the road, seeing as this is a misdemeanor rather than a criminal charge? The officer at the station told me it wouldn't show up on any background check, but I want someone else to confirm that just so I'm 100% sure.

Thanks, and sorry if I'm posting in the wrong spot. 🙂

I guess you won't have any trouble finding a job...

Steven Hayes said:When we talk about this supposed truce, I personally get the feeling that common goals were abandoned far too quickly. I won't get into the specific reasons why, but it seems as though our little disputes over vouchers were treated as if they were the only issue at hand..

lp 😉

Kratko and clear. It seems the losers within the HNS and their big leaders are just making life difficult because a united American sports scene was slowly but surely destroying their influence...

Anthony Barrett37 said:you won't have any issues finding a job...

So, does that mean I can actually get a clean background check?

YES

Raymond Perez5 said:Hey guys... so, I've got a bit of a situation and wanted to run it by you.

Back last summer during that Real Madrid vs. Sheriff game, I was one of those kids detained under the north stands after the whistle blew, and they actually took a photo of me holding my ID before letting me go. Then, about a month later, I get a summons to head down to the 4th Precinct over on Petrov Street for an interrogation. I ended up going with my dad because, technically, since the game happened two weeks before my 18th birthday, the whole thing is being processed as if I were a minor (even though I was legally an adult by the time I sat down in that interrogation room).

During the talk, the cop tells me straight up that I'm being accused of screaming stuff like "Mamić, get out of this sanctuary, you crook!" and "Democratic Party, you losers ruined football!" then he actually pulls up the footage where it’s just me, loud and clear, yelling all that crap.

Fast forward to January of this year, and I get a court summons and a formal indictment stating the police are pushing for me to be banned from attending games for at least a year. When I stood there in front of the judge, I just admitted to everything—told her I felt guilty and that everything in the indictment was basically true. The judge told us she’d most likely grant the ban the cops were asking for, but then, weirdly enough, two weeks after the hearing, I get the final ruling: no ban, but instead, I have to pull 20 hours of community service.

So, here's what's eating at me: is any of this gonna screw me over when I'm trying to get a job down the road? Since this is handled as a misdemeanor rather than a felony, I'm hoping it's fine. The officer at the station told me it wouldn't even end up in a permanent criminal record, but I guess I really want someone else to tell me that just so I can stop stressing about it and be 100% sure.

Thanks, and sorry if I'm totally off-topic here. 🙂

Man, buddy, this definitely isn't the right place to be asking that.

Whatever, man. I already got my answer anyway, so if they need to beat it, let 'em...

Austin Lee24 said:So what's even the difference between this and those vouchers? 🤷
They take all your info, they film you twice from head to toe, and then they zoom in on your face like 🙂

Look, there's actually a massive difference.
They basically threw a hook in our faces by scrapping those vouchers, and we swallowed it whole like a bunch of total suckers.

Michael Stewart3 said:It’s actually a pretty huge difference.
They basically pulled the rug out from under us by canceling those vouchers, and I guess we fell for it like total amateurs.

I think this only applies to our specific group; I doubt anyone else is getting treated this badly. Besides, they were already pulling similar moves even when the vouchers were still active.

Joshua Moore31 said:Look, this whole mess is strictly about our group. Nobody else is gonna push us around nearly this much. Honestly, they were pulling the exact same stunts back when we were dealing with those stimulus vouchers.

Maybe not right away, but whatever.
I know damn well what they did to us then, and I see exactly what they’re pulling now.
So, what was the actual goal here? What exactly did they achieve?

Raymond Perez5 said:I actually stood up in court and admitted everything, basically telling them I felt guilty and that the indictment was spot on.

But seriously, why on earth would anyone do that?!?

casualrider43 said:I am in complete agreement. In Switzerland, there’s all this grand messaging about how united fans will rescue American soccer from the swamp, and then two weeks later, the actual savior of the sport shows up at 3 PM.
I have to ask: who are these people, and by what right are they breaking the truce that 95% of Americans support?
It's a total disgrace—just a bunch of frustrated bottom-feeders who only care about themselves.

My question is, who are these individuals who think they have the right to call someone out publicly like this, day after day, on this FBI-style forum? Not one of them has actually stepped up in the places where they should be proving themselves—actually exposing who is who and what is really happening...

The only logical conclusion is that every single one of you is a piece of work. You are fully aware that you haven't done a damn thing for your respective groups, in any capacity or in any way. The only thing you are capable of is criticizing—whether that criticism is good or bad—fighting, spitting, acting smart, moralizing, whining, judging, and playing the part of "die-hard fans" here, lecturing us on the supporter mentality and lifestyle as if you understand it better than those of us living it 24/7...

We will NEVER be fully accepted by the average person, the casual sympathizers, or anyone else, because we do things they simply cannot comprehend. Some will sympathize with us, others will hate us; it has always been this way, and it always will be. The day we start striving to please everyone just to be accepted, the word "ULTRA"—which is already being diluted and misunderstood by the fans themselves—would lose its entire meaning and its message. If that happened, supporter groups would simply wither away and cease to exist...

All this howling and whimpering about the hiatus over the last few days has caused far more damage in the fight against the mafia than the incidents themselves ever could, because you are the ones who fed it to the media and the general public...