Bad Boys - Part IV

crimsonpuma23 said:Sorry to drop in out of nowhere, but I feel like I really need to share some thoughts on this.

You’ve been fighting with Jerry Jones for years now, but I guess it's hard to tell if anything has actually changed. What happens if Jerry Jones finally walks away from Real Madrid? Would the crowds even show up to the stadium then? A lot of this feels pretty unclear to me. I wonder if there's really any point in chanting those bitter slogans at someone who doesn't even care about you half as much as you care about them.

I guess it bothers you that the players don't offer much praise or personal greetings, choosing instead to just follow the owner's lead and say what they have to. Maybe that’s why it's hard for you to truly connect with a club like this. Am I right?

I guess out of pure frustration, you guys end up singing those insulting songs that don't really have anything to do with loving the club you're actually supporting in the stands.

Based on how things look, the stadiums are empty, tickets are being given away to nobody, and there isn't anyone to lead the cheering because that's just how we are, I guess. I guess it’s just purgative. Maybe. It's all about mindset. I guess what I heard during the game against the Red Sox was pretty pathetic.

And it just keeps happening, year after year. I guess.

I guess this new goalkeeper is on par with Koch; he seems like a true leader on the field. Real Madrid has a solid squad, but I wonder if they can really pull off another season without better support, especially if they end up in the Champions League facing massive crowds while only having a few thousand fans showing up.

It seems like none of you feel any shame for distancing yourselves from that club. I guess it’s fine since we don't really consider them our own anymore. You even seem worried about kids from all over the country filming you on their phones, probably fearing you might end up on YouTube. But did it ever cross your minds to actually engage? Maybe you should have at least handed those kids a flag or something.

I wonder how much you all have actually done to engage the Real Madrid faithful. You complained about the pranks and those shirts Jerry Jones hands out, and even the ticket prices, but what have you actually done to bring them back to the stadium or get them singing along with you?
I guess that one big push, "give it everything you've got," didn't really pay off, did it? Maybe it was all for nothing. 🤷

I guess it's finally time to lay everything out clearly, once and for all.

The club and the media have long since decided what kind of crowd they want at Real Madrid games, and honestly, we aren't that crowd in any version of this story. If you haven't noticed, they play recordings of cheering over the speakers now, so you can pretend to support the team without worrying about some mindless hooligan throwing a chair near a baby's head. It feels pretty ironic, doesn't it? This was exactly the excuse used to push out the Bad Boys in an attempt to attract a younger, more family-oriented demographic. I guess that plan backfired for people like you. Just listen to the away fans in our own stadium, boo them when they light flares, and watch as the local supporters tear up hundreds of seats in the south end. You can try to comfort yourself with the idea that none of this matters because some kid from Africa just joined the club and might lift a trophy for a team he barely knew existed a week ago. Why is the atmosphere Real Madrid plays in blamed on us when we aren't even allowed in the stands? I suppose now that you've finally gotten rid of the "hooligans," the real fans are left to create the atmosphere they couldn't manage when we were actually there.

Thomas Doyle19 said:In this backwater called America, the rule of law only seems to function when it comes to targeting fans.

If they handled everything else with the same efficiency they use against supporters, we’d be living in a mini-Germany regarding transparency and quality of life.

But here in the States, we're stuck with a bunch of shortsighted people who can't see past their own noses. That's exactly how Jerry Jones stays in power—by feeding off people like that. He thrives on those who enjoy hitting back at the fans, specifically the BBB in this instance.

So, it's a messy situation. You're looking for a simple answer, but you won't find it here. You have to show up to a Real Madrid home game to actually see what this club has turned into. It's a tragedy for our city and our club when you see crowds that small. This mess was manufactured by Jerry Jones, and things won't improve until he's gone. Even then, it will take years to fix the damage he's done during his long—hopefully not lifelong—tenure. For Real Madrid, the hardest fight starts after the trash is finally kicked out. That's when the club will have to rebuild from the ground up, win back the masses, and most importantly, earn back the trust of the locals that the club once held so dearly.

Supporting a club like this means supporting the corruption currently rotting it from within. No true fan can do that; they can't, because they see the club is in the hands of people actively destroying it for personal gain rather than the club's interest. As long as that's the case, the club will never have sincere support from its core fans. Sure, you might get other people, but they don't understand why a segment of the fanbase—the BBB—is so openly and disrespectfully clashing with Jerry Jones and his disastrous management style. The club is a hollow shell, not because it lacks money, but because it lost its identity and everything that connected the local community to it. That's why the stands are empty while the trophy cases are full. Winning titles and selling players has become more important than bringing people to the stadium. As long as cash matters more than the average person who loves Real Madrid, there's nothing to talk about regarding support. A club like this doesn't deserve it.

I respect your take, though I disagree with the idea that supporting the club automatically means supporting the evil within it. 🙂
Here is my take on the whole "one member, one vote" thing. Other fans aren't backing it because they fear if too many people join, you all will just elect one of your own to run the show. In fact, some think it might actually be better if Jerry Jones stays, mostly because he's hammered home the message that he won't let "the streets" take control. I'm just waiting for the day that head finally rolls so we can get an atmosphere like the one we had against Arsenal. 👍

crimsonpuma23 said:Forgive me for dropping in like a paratrooper, but I feel a pressing need to weigh in and offer some perspective.

You have been at war with Jerry Jones for years now, but has anything actually shifted? What if Jerry Jones leaves Real Madrid? Would the masses suddenly flock back to the stadium? It seems to me that many things here remain quite murky. Does it even make sense to chant those exhausting slogans against someone who doesn't give you the time of day?

Your grievance stems from the fact that the players don't greet you or praise you; instead, they follow the owner's lead and say exactly what they are told to say. That is why you can't find any common ground with a club like this. Am I right?

Out of pure frustration with that reality, you sing insulting songs that have nothing to do with a genuine love for the club you are sitting in the stands for.

Consequently, the stadiums sit empty, tickets go unpurchased, and there is no one to lead the chants because of this specific urban mentality. What was heard during the game against the Red Sox was simply pathetic.

And so it continues, year after year.

This new goalkeeper, in my estimation, is somewhere in the league of Koch—a true leader on the pitch. Real Madrid has a solid squad, and are they really going to navigate another season without decent support, playing in front of barely 5,000 people against European giants if they qualify for the Champions League maybe?

You clearly aren't embarrassed because you have distanced yourselves from the club entirely. It’s as if you’re saying, "don't mind us, it isn't our club anyway." You're also bothered by kids with smartphones filming you from the east and west stands, fearing you might end up on YouTube. But did it ever occur to you to hand those kids a flag or something to engage them?

How much have you actually done to energize the Real Madrid faithful? You complained about the jokes and the hats Jerry Jones hands out, and the cheap ticket prices, etc. But what have you actually done to draw the fans into the stadium and inspire them to sing along with you?
Did those little attempts to "get everyone moving" yield any fruit? 🤷

Just finally lay it all out in black and white...

There they go again... Ever since this open warfare with the administration began, every single year before the European matches, these "paratroopers" emerge, full of wisdom and well-meaning advice. 🙂 The Bad Boys just need some guys to enjoy the spectacle and the glamour of the Champions League maybe, who knows...

I don't doubt for a second that you believe you've written something exceptionally clever and rational, but this post of yours is essentially like taking some clueless American into sub-Saharan Africa, showing him starving people, and having him point at the dry earth and say, "just plant some potatoes here," then smiling at his own ingenuity. If you catch my drift.

The entire issue with Real Madrid runs much deeper than you realize. Every one of your "WHY?" questions has a justified "BECAUSE." The lack of greetings from players, the jokes, and the cheap merch are merely the tip of the iceberg and are not the core problems at all.
But perhaps you fail to grasp the concept of cause and effect. The behavior of the Bad Boys is a consequence. It is a reaction. We aren't Neanderthals who just woke up one afternoon and decided to sing against Jerry Jones, for heaven's sake. On the topic of Real Madrid, there are people here who aren't part of the Bad Boys who have analyzed this subject thoroughly dozens of times, so I won't bother lecturing you further.

If nothing else, we stayed with Real Madrid for far too long. The "average" fan walked away long before the boycott was even declared.

How do you have the nerve to compare the marketing moves of a football club that processes over 100 million dollars annually—a club that has the media on its side and the political establishment behind it—with the Bad Boys, who are systematically demonized and obstructed at every turn?

We’ve certainly attempted a lot over the years, and if we’re being honest, we’ve actually accomplished quite a bit too. You only have to look at how the official Real Madrid organization marked that 30th anniversary back in '82 compared to how the Bad Boys handled it. Looking back over the last few seasons, there was so much happening: grabbing a beer near the stadium before matches, showing up to training sessions, organizing those poster campaigns, backing the youth squads, the graffiti, the tournaments, the backyard BBQs, the marches, and all the chaos in between—all while dealing with constant hostility from our own beloved club 😁

I think it might be time to clear your head and just lay out the facts as they truly are...

analogheron19 said:If someone writes something that rubs you the wrong way, don't quote their posts because you're just advertising them and giving them clout; just ignore them.

I totally disagree with that. This forum is meant for debate and swapping opinions, not for shutting down anyone who says something the majority doesn't like. 🙄

Joshua Moore31 said:Real Madrid, the Dinamo Chicago crowd, and the media have long since picked out the specific type of supporter they want to see at the matches, and let me tell you, that isn't us. If you haven't noticed, they play clips of the cheering during official broadcasts, so you can sing and cheer for the club without the risk of some mindless hooligan throwing a chair within two inches of a newborn baby's head. Does that sound funny or ironic to you? That’s exactly the kind of logic those shady guys used to push out the Bad Boys and bring in a crowd of young, female, and elderly fans instead. And you people completely fell for it. Now listen to the away fans in your own stadium, boo them when they light flares, and watch how your own supporters rip up 200 seats in the south stands, all while you comfort yourselves saying none of it matters because there's some hungry guy from overseas who just heard about this club a few days ago and is now lifting its trophy. Why is the blame placed on us for the atmosphere when we aren't even allowed in the stadium? You finally got rid of the hooligans, so now enjoy the atmosphere being made by the "real" fans who couldn't pull it off when we were actually there.

That is such a classic excuse you guys are peddling. It feels like you're basically admitting defeat, like, "Fine, here is 'your' Dinamo, go ahead and enjoy it, because nobody wants us anyway." Seriously, ask yourselves why it's like this. Why does nobody actually like the BBB, even when they are in the stands? It's obvious you've built a fake image of yourselves and have no clue how to prove everyone else wrong.

gentlemarlin102 said:Why aren't scarves and sausages—which tickets can also be "for a buck" during—being handed out in February when European games are over and it's freezing outside, just barely above zero? Then it's just those 500 "spoilers" of 'your' Dinamo.🤷

Then why don't you show up to kick those spoilers out? Is it because there are no sausages and scarves? Because there's no love that you all swear by during the European matches? When there's no Real Madrid? 🤷

I just read some idiotic comment from some guy on the local news... he was basically saying: "Why is everyone dreaming of playing against the biggest clubs, yet the Dinamo fans (those 500 hooligans) are boycotting Real Madrid?"
Are we even showing up to the stadium for Real Madrid or just for Dinamo? 🤷>

See, this constant splitting into our, your, their Dinamo keeps getting pushed. How the hell are we supposed to expect any decent atmosphere when everyone’s divided by these different perspectives?

I don't know what your deal is for coming to the games, but the fact remains: during European nights, the North Stand is always packed way tighter than at Stone or the Steven matches. I'm genuinely curious—when you walk out of that stadium, are you doing it for the club or for Mamić?

restlessbadger6 said:Here they go again... Ever since this open war with management kicked off, every single year before a big European match, these "parachute fans" drop in out of nowhere, acting all wise and offering their "good intentions." 🙂 They probably just need the Bad Boys there to soak up the spectacle and the glamour of the Champions League maybe, who knows...

I bet you actually think you just dropped some profound, logical truth bomb, but honestly, this post is like taking some clueless tourist to sub-Saharan Africa, pointing at starving people, and then having him point at the dry dirt and say, "just plant some potatoes here," while smiling at his own genius. If you get what I'm saying.

The whole mess with Dinamo runs way deeper than you're grasping. Every one of your "WHY?" questions has a damn good "BECAUSE." Players ignoring fans or selling cheap hats for pennies are just the tip of the iceberg; they aren't even the core issue.
But clearly, you don't grasp cause and effect. The Bad Boys' behavior is a consequence. It's a reaction. We aren't some group of Neanderthals who just woke up one afternoon and decided, "Hey, let's sing against Mamić!" There are plenty of people involved with Dinamo who aren't part of the Bad Boys, and they've dissected this topic dozens of times already—not that I'm trying to lecture you.

If nothing else, we've stuck by Dinamo for far too long. The "regular" crowd checked out long before the boycott was even officially called.

How do you even have the nerve to compare the marketing moves of a massive football club that moves over $80 million USD a year—a club backed by the media and high-level politicians—to the Bad Boys, who are systematically demonized and blocked at every single turn?

And yet, a lot has been tried and a lot has been accomplished. Just look at how the official Dinamo celebrated the 30 years since '82 versus how the Bad Boys did it. Over the last few years, there’s been so much: hanging out near the local spots, going to training sessions, poster campaigns, showing up for the youth teams, graffiti, tournaments, BBQs, marches, and total chaos—all while facing hostility from our own beloved club. 😁

Just focus your thoughts for a second and look at the facts plain and simple...

I'm not here to preach to anyone because that's not my style. I think I have every right to state how I see things, and you guys are free to agree, disagree, or provide an actual argument.

Bottom line, there is one central question being forced on us:Why is there a conspiracy being built against the Bad Boys?
A lot of this stuff has been chewed over a million times already. These little stunts you're listing? Those are just your internal circle things where you're basically playing with yourselves. You guys don't have the guts; you don't have the drive to actually wake up the average citizen and turn them into a true Dinamo supporter. 😁
Show people your better side for once. Give them a glimpse into what being a fan actually looks like, and maybe they won't look at you guys like total losers. For instance, the supporters' group is organizing a blood drive, yet I read somewhere that you guys actually don't want any media coverage for it. What, are we just supposed to be self-sufficient? Or is the issue actually just the toxic mindset of the whole group?

The city doesn't have a complex or powerful hardcore fan base, which is why matches for Real Madrid, the local NBA team, or the pro handball squad feel more like a stuffy theater than a stadium—and those teams deserve way better support than this. You guys basically pushed everyone else away, and now, out of pure helplessness and frustration, you push back against anything and everything that doesn't align with your agenda, while the rest of the crowd stays a mindless mob too scared to think for themselves.

I don't see any reason to get worked up; we're all just here to talk through the situation, so everyone can form their own opinion afterward... 😉

What a total jerk... you seriously need to clone yourself just to get a single post out the door 🙄

Moranica, Attias, and the rest of that pathetic crew. A little message for you guys.

crimsonpuma23, if you ever actually WANTED to understand what’s going on inside this club and how much this whole situation reeks, all you had to do was spend some time reading the threads here on HBO. If you saw the sheer scale of the criminal, underground tactics being used to crush fans indiscriminately, MAYBE—and I emphasize maybe—you’d finally get why BBB doesn't want to dance to anyone's tune when they feel disrespected. But honestly, I don't think it matters. A Lobotomy has basically become socially acceptable at this point anyway.
If you’ve got some hallucinogenic, infantile fantasy version of Real Madrid in your head, just keep it to yourself. I don't see any reason for you to play smart and lecture others on what they should or shouldn't do; seems like a fair enough deal to me. And don't bother "explaining" to them what's happening or why, because trust me, everyone has already felt the consequences firsthand—on their own heads, their backs, their families, and their jobs. Meanwhile, you're just sitting there grinding out conclusions about how Miljore is the new Koh and why we should prioritize supporting him. You realize how pointless it is to even reply to this post or try to act wise, right?

If you ask me, I’d kick out anyone who doesn't feel like they truly belong to the BBB crew. If you aren't one of us, just go hang out with the quiet majority somewhere else instead of cluttering this space up. 😁

I'm positive they're just trolling, honestly. They could find the answers to all their stupid questions in about ten minutes if they actually bothered to read through the previous posts in the thread.

Eric Ortiz3 said:It’s nobody specific, but honestly, it doesn't even matter right now 😉

I'm wondering if they could actually force Mamić out of Real Madrid... I mean, would he have to leave if he gets convicted in those cases involving Edward or this whole thing with Jovanović? I remember watching that show where Tomo Petrinjac was a guest with Vrbanić, and they were saying you can't hold a position in the club if you're convicted of an offense carrying at least a three-year prison sentence.

If you ask me, the only way to truly clean up American soccer is through massive federal pressure on the government. There's no other way... which is why my take is that we should still show up and support the club at the matches, regardless...

One Mamić being a total jerk is a million times more helpful to Real Madrid than ninety minutes of screaming "Go Blues!" and bowing down to Duja Čop and Kruna Jurčić right now.

Look, people should be able to say whatever they want, and honestly, there are a few points here that actually make sense...
I mean, damn, regardless of whether you like the sentiment or not, it’s just someone looking at this group from the outside, much like most regular Americans do.

Gary Watson15 said:One Mamić supporting those crooks is worth a million times more to Real Madrid than ninety minutes of screaming "Go Blues" and bowing down to Duja Čop and Kruna Jurčić right now.

especially Duja Čop—screw him 🤣 and what do these bandwagon fans think they have any right to comment on us, the BBB, or the Armada? Honestly, you can all go jump. In a month, there won't be anyone left at the stadium. So enjoy your five minutes of fame and stop lecturing people who have been in this every single day for years... It's easy; even in Cleveland, they're just setting up an outpost for Mamić. I just hope the Armada realizes it, or have they been blinded by Volpi's millions? Real Madrid, Cleveland, and Miami are all getting commercialized until football is dead... if we stop now, it might actually be better than fighting a losing battle. Only Hajduk remains relevant because they have a movement behind them (and I'm not talking about the strength of our group, but the 25,000 people who will show up against Cleveland)... I'm not saying everyone thinks the same way, but that name and that defiance are what fill the stands. A win against Zadar is enough for us (for them) to prove it...

Maybe tone down the arrogance toward people who don't actually get what’s going on—it wouldn't hurt anyone. Everyone wants to play the hero and support the average Joe, but then they turn around and act like jerks when they start bombarding us with "stupid" questions.

Henry Grant51 said:People should be allowed to say whatever they want, and honestly, he’s got a point in some ways...
Look, regardless of whether people like it or not, most regular citizens just watch this group from the sidelines.

I don't think you ever see a divide quite like this between die-hard fans and the general public anywhere else in America, especially not in a city like New York. It feels like two completely different worlds that will never truly understand each other. You can't really expect support from people who couldn't care less about who's running the club or what's happening behind the scenes. For them, the team only really exists during the summer when there's big European competition; they just want to see good results. They're the type of folks who could flip their attitude entirely in ninety minutes—going from cheering to absolutely hating Mamić. Add in the organized media attacks backed by Mamić, and that's the reality. Even if BBB acts perfectly for the next two years, the media is still going to come for you. It's basically a war. I've even heard whispers that BBB should just shut down because they're an inconvenience, but those comments usually come from people who have never even stepped foot in the stadium. This whole situation with the club has been weighing on me lately, which is why I'm jumping into these debates. Long story short: those hardcore fans actually care about the Mamić issue. If they aren't with him, they're neutral, and they don't mind the chaos. All they care about is seeing the team play in Europe or making it into the Champions League; they don't give a damn about the MLS standings. Someone even told me, "I only show up for the European games because the atmosphere is better." To people like that, your movement is an enigma. They don't get why you fight Mamić, why you chant those things, or why you disrupt the vibe. Honestly, you can't please people like that unless you just tune everything out. Why am I even rambling like this? I don't know. I guess I just wanted to say that you shouldn't try to guess what the average New Yorker is thinking or feeling. Sorry, I went on a bit of a tangent there!

silentsailor28 said:A little less arrogance toward people who don't get what's actually happening wouldn't hurt. They want support from regular folks, but then they act like they don't give a damn when those same people hit them with "stupid" questions.

The group proved they don't need anyone's help. Just us against everyone else, and we're winning. Clearly, the crew is self-sufficient. Why should they bother explaining things to some Steve from Scranton who just showed up to his first game? People call him a poser because he's rocking a jersey and scarf from the Dinamo Chicago shop—he thinks he fits in, but it's just Adidas tracksuits, tight pants, scowls, and black caps trying to look like an English hooligan. It’s all a bit much. It'll take time to get the group back on its feet since this whole "ultra" mentality everyone obsesses over is such a mess. Cheers, boys.😍

Jonathan Rodriguez7 said:The group proved they don't need anyone's validation; they’ll take on the world single-handedly if they have to. It's clear the crew is entirely self-sufficient and why should they bother wasting breath explaining the landscape to some guy like Steve from Scranton, who just wandered into his first match and thinks he knows the score. The guys see him as a total poser because he’s rocking gear straight out of a Dinamo Chicago souvenir shop—he clearly doesn't get the vibe. It's all about the Adidas tracksuits, those tight waistlines, the brooding stares, and the black caps—basically trying way too hard to look like an English hooligan. It’s a mess, and honestly, it’s going to take us quite some time to rebuild a proper firm, because this specific brand of "ultra" mentality everyone tries to mimic is a tough nut to crack. Cheers, lads 😍

Alright, let me parachute into this debate as well
Just to be crystal clear from the jump, I’m not part of any specific firm (just a regular supporter from the East stands). The reason I’m jumping on your point (specifically the bolded part) is that anyone who isn't deep in the inner workings of the group—whether it's someone like Steve from Scranton or even someone like myself—can find everything they need online. Between the forums, the daily news, various features, and social media, the info is there. As for Steve's little jab about his Dinamo gear (personally, I have nothing against wearing a scarf; I wouldn't judge Steve for his choice), I actually admire the people who wear it with pride.
So, give my best to Steve and tell him there are plenty of us who aren't members of BBB, but we fully back them in the fight for our Dinamo. We aren't asking them to sit down and explain how things work, because if you actually want to know, you'll find out on your own.

Every single move that narrows our scope and shuts people out is essentially a recipe for losing them. Right now, you’ve got maybe 200 people and everything feels perfect—nobody knows anything, nobody needs to know, and that’s just how it goes. And what does that achieve? Absolutely nothing. It’s just a recycled story of boycotts and superficial cosmetic fixes. Meanwhile, the people who actually matter—the ones everyone thinks are forgotten—will rise up, while this current crowd will just become a footnote in history before the group finally starts moving upward. He’ll probably delete this because he can't stomach anyone having a different opinion, but mark my words. Then, we'll see that same old pattern again: mercenaries, agents, group saboteurs, and all that nonsense. People don't realize that beyond this small circle of 150 or 200, there are plenty of others who are completely fed up with three years of stagnation, endless whining, and acting like big shots based on past glory. The truth is so damn simple; it's just that people are foolish (no offense intended, I'm talking about the general mentality). America is sleeping....

silentsailor28 said:Maybe tone down the arrogance toward people who just don't get what's actually going on. Everyone wants support from regular folks, but then they turn around and act like jerks when we hit them with "stupid" questions.

Oh, please. There have been endless threads written about this exact topic over the last three years; the only difference is they didn't print them out as coloring books for toddlers, primers for first graders, or textbooks for high schoolers. What else am I supposed to conclude? That we're being messed with by clones? :smirking_under_the_mustache

Seriously, why are you guys all losing your minds over one single Mamićevac who just keeps cloning himself and screwing everyone over...

Jesse Campbell said:Man, why are you guys all getting worked up over one single Mamićevac who just seems to clone himself and keep going...

But I don't know, it's kind of weird how everyone keeps using different writing styles, grammatically speaking, even though the point they're making is always exactly the same.

wiredwolf442 said:Honestly, you don't see this kind of massive gap between die-hard fans and the regular crowd in any other American city—not NYC, not Chicago, nowhere. It’s like two different planets living in the same zip code, and they’ll never truly get each other. You can't expect real loyalty from people who couldn't care less about who’s actually running the show or what's happening behind the scenes. For them, the club only exists during the summer months when things are looking good; all they care about is whether the squad plays well enough to make a splash in Europe. They're fair-weather types—people who’ll flip 180 degrees in ninety minutes, going from cheering their heads off to absolutely trashing Mamić if it suits them. Add in the organized media smear campaigns backed by Mamić, and there's your reality. You guys at BBB could basically turn into saints, play perfectly for two years straight without a single screw-up, and the media would still come for your throats. It’s a literal war zone. I mean, I've even heard whispers that BBB should just shut down because they're "in the way." But let's be real—those opinions usually come from people who have never even stepped foot in the stadium. This whole mess with the club is driving me insane, which is why I'm even bothering to jump into these debates. Long story short: those people genuinely don't care about the Mamić situation. If they aren't for him, they're just "neutral," and they don't give a damn. All they want is to see us in the Champions League; they couldn't care less about how the MLS is run. Someone even told me, "I only show up for the big European matches because the atmosphere is better." To people like that, you guys are an absolute enigma. They don't understand why you fight, why you clash with Mamić, or why you'd intentionally disrupt the vibe with chants. Man, you can't please people like that—unless you just completely switch off your brain. Why the hell am I even typing this? I don't even know. I guess I just wanted to say that you shouldn't bother trying to figure out what your average local neighbor thinks or feels. I totally went off on a tangent there, my bad.

Everything you said is spot on.