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steelseal10 steelseal10 Active MemberOP
78 messages
joined Feb 2013
#3441 ·
driftingfalcon88 said:I suppose things went sideways during the Turkey trip because we were just too arrogant—we overestimated ourselves while totally underestimating you guys...

We definitely dropped the ball there, but I don't think anyone should view that as some kind of win; I was just being honest about how it actually felt.

I really have to hand it to you for staying grounded in reality.😉 Personally, I prefer to talk about the events I’ve actually lived through rather than just repeating rumors or hearsay. Everyone experiences defeat, retreats, or moments where they have to play it safe now and then. That’s why I shared my own perspective, though I guess I was somewhat influenced by those stories from your friends about attacking with double the numbers and using clubs and all that. I also remember getting hit in the head by one of your stones back in that small town in the US right before our game against the Mississippi River. Best regards to you.
driftingfalcon88 driftingfalcon88 Newcomer
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joined Nov 2008
#3442 ·
steelseal10 said:Fair enough, reality check accepted. 😉 I’m talking about stuff I actually lived through, not some hearsay bullshit. Everyone faces losses, retreats, or just plays it safe sometimes. That's why I brought up those specific situations—mostly because some of your guys started bringing up how you guys would've swarmed us with twice the numbers, using bats and whatnot... Plus, I still remember getting my head cracked open by a rock in a Small town in the US right before the game against the Mississippi River crew. Cheers.

Look, I only jumped in because your message implied we were just gonna run away because you had way more people or whatever...
but back in Turkey, we only had about four more than you guys. You got caught waiting at that forest roundabout—we were geared up to the teeth, and when things popped off out of nowhere while stepping out of the cars, there wasn't much room for maneuvering...
So yeah, don't go bringing up Turkey to claim "you guys would've outnumbered us two-to-one."
analogheron19 analogheron19 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Dec 2008
#3443 ·
driftingfalcon88 said:Turkey beat us because they were cocky—they overestimated themselves while totally underestimating you guys...

We blew it. Period. But there’s no point in spinning this like some kind of win; I’m just being straight with you about how bad it actually was.

Bottom line? Arrogance and underestimating an opponent has always led to a massive screw-up in history. It doesn't matter if you're talking about die-hard sports fans or anyone else in the world; overconfidence always ends in disaster.
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Apr 2022
#3444 ·
I suppose this move is perfectly fine for the Chelsea supporters, then?
boldtiger7 boldtiger7 Active Member
62 messages
joined Aug 2021
#3445 ·
Is it really acceptable for you to keep heading down to a small town in the US to go looking for trouble for the umpteenth time? And then, predictably, you act surprised when someone is waiting there ready for you? Or was the intention simply to go light some candles?
James Smith48 James Smith48 Active Member
69 messages
joined Mar 2013
#3446 ·
Gary Green32 said:Fine, if most Chelsea supporters think this whole thing is okay, then whatever.

Give me a break, man...
The younger crowd from the local branch got together and—for whatever reason—went after someone specific (I won't name names...).
Because of some petty drama over footwear, things just boiled over. Look, it’s a small town in the US; everyone knows everyone's business. It is what it is.
Cut the lectures and the propaganda about chainsaws and fists. Three sticks and a flare... that's it.
There was no actual fighting. Nobody even insulted anyone. It's just that the UFC keyboard warriors online try to play it smart in every single situation, acting like they're some perfect blend of Bruce Lee and Mirko CroCop.
Just take the L and better luck next time. Why is everyone losing their minds over this for days now?
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2022
#3447 ·
boldtiger7 said:Is it really fine with you to head down to a place like Vukovar looking for trouble yet again? And then you act surprised when people are waiting there ready for you? Or were you actually just going there to light some candles?

You and a dozen others could tell me a thousand times that the group being attacked was simply looking for a fight, but the truth is much more straightforward: nobody goes into a situation like that empty-handed looking for trouble. As for what happened previously, I don't feel qualified to comment on the specifics, but if that's how the majority feels, then fine—it just suggests a certain lack of backbone among those involved. This brawl is merely further evidence of the fading spirit within the Chelsea supporters; it’s a sign of weakness and a confirmation of exactly where the management has led you.
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2022
#3448 ·
James Smith48 said:Come on, man, give us a break...
A group of the younger crowd from the local branch got together and—for whatever reason—decided to target someone specific, though I won't go naming names here...
The whole thing blew up because of some petty drama involving footwear, and well, things happened. It’s just a small town; everyone knows everyone else's business. It doesn't matter.
Stop with all this talk about muscle and brute force. A few sticks and a single flare...
There was no actual fighting involved, and nobody really lost face. It's just those guys on the UFC forums who act like they're experts on everything, pretending they're a mix of Bruce Lee and Mirko CroCop when they haven't even stepped foot in a ring.
Just take the loss and move on. Honestly, I don't get why everyone has been obsessing over this for days...

Everything is fine, it's just the usual dynamic where certain areas are treated like "no-go zones." It's hard to say how much people actually respect those boundaries, but I wouldn't even bother commenting if I wasn't right there. Some action is better than how boring things have been the last few years.
bluebear42 bluebear42 Newcomer
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joined May 2020
#3449 ·
Gary Green32 said:People can tell you a thousand times that the aggressors were actually looking for trouble, but let’s be real—that’s just not true. At the end of the day, you don't show up empty-handed if you're looking for a fight. As for what happened before, I'm not an expert, but if the majority feels that way, fine. It basically means you guys lack the guts to stand your ground. Honestly, this brawl is just more proof that the Bad Boys mentality is fading; it's a sign of weakness and confirms exactly how far you've fallen.

Let me be the one person here to tell the truth. That call to fight was nothing more than a disaster because someone forgot to bring the heavy artillery...
John Campbell27 John Campbell27 Active Member
80 messages
joined Mar 2014
#3450 ·
You won't find a single twenty-pound stone anywhere to be found 😁
Nicholas Grant20 Nicholas Grant20 Member
36 messages
joined Aug 2021
#3451 ·
You guys are all just pointing fingers at each other over stick fights, throwing rocks, jumping people in groups... it's the same old story. Honestly, you’re all cut from the same cloth. You’ve got the exact same modus operandi and the same tired excuses. Maybe if you actually practiced some fair play out in the stands, things would finally be clear and transparent. But hey, if you don't want to do that, then just keep going with this chaotic, lawless approach, but stop blaming the other side for stuff you're doing yourselves.
Frank Sanchez37 Frank Sanchez37 Newcomer
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joined Oct 2015
#3452 ·
That’s exactly it, we all just end up trading insults about who’s got more sticks or whatever, but at the end of the day, we’re all cut from the same cloth when it comes to that stuff. The only real issue with this whole clash is the fact that it went down in St. Louis. I mean, obviously, you’re going to hear The 12th Man shouting for those sake bottles since they were barehanded, and honestly, if things had been flipped, it would have played out the exact same way—most of these guys wouldn't have even bothered dropping their sticks to go after them with sake. Instead of acknowledging that this happened in St. Louis and just saying, "Hey, decent effort by the Boys," or giving props to The 12th Man for standing their ground without weapons—especially that one guy who ended up on the pavement because he kept trying to swing sake at sticks a few times—we just sit here. That guy was stuck on the bridge right in the middle of the Boys group, which, if you ask me, is a damn rarity to see in our scene, someone with that kind of guts. But no, instead, everyone’s busy bickering over who threw the first punch or making jokes like those idiots on Facebook. In my humble opinion, it’s such a shame everything unfolded in St. Louis, but hey, at least there was a little bit of life breathed into our scene for once. Now, go ahead and keep arguing about who has more sticks, rocks, or flares, or whose brakes aren't working properly, even though both sides are dealing with the exact same "problems" they're complaining about. I guess it's just hard to be realistic sometimes.
Richard Stewart5 Richard Stewart5 Newcomer
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joined Feb 2017
#3453 ·
feralwolf51 said:Is someone actually peddling this nonsense about lighting candles and avoiding conflict?! What were you even doing in St. Louis? Attacking a local spot filled with seniors and women with signal flares. Are you truly so intimidated by the Vincenzo crowd from past clashes that you didn't even have the guts to size up a group at a pub? What are you even talking about? When there’s actual trouble brewing, you disappear from the city, but the moment it's certain the die-hard fans aren't around, suddenly you find your courage—only to end up looking pathetic, just like you have so many times before. It's the absolute bottom of the barrel! Talking about The 12th Man or the Bad Boys in St. Louis is pointless; if they were even worth mentioning, the Delija wouldn't be the dominant force in town. Not to mention how they were running away from the Delija through Canada last year. You might be kings in the stands, but on the streets, you're nothing. See you soon.

The militia has officially released a statement on their Facebook page regarding the incident on the bridge and the candle lighting. The Delija are the main ones in St. Louis? Give me a break, kid... I'm genuinely surprised you're bashing the Bad Boys in St. Louis so hard, considering how often you all showed up to hang out at their clubhouse, went out to bars together, or even shared a friendly moment at a gas station last season when you happened to pull up to the same pump. I don't know exactly what went down in St. Louis the other day, so I won't claim we didn't do something shameful—because frankly, I don't know.

boldtiger7 said:Is it okay with you that you guys keep coming to St. Louis looking for a fight? And then you act shocked when someone is waiting for you ready for action? Or were you really just there to light some candles?

A lot of noise is being made lately regarding the conflicts in the region, but this one is easily the most interesting. When exactly did this myth emerge about a single attack on the St. Louis club, let alone three such attacks? It is an absolute fabrication. These are minor squabbles that have been blown way out of proportion, mostly instigated by the very people involved, and they have absolutely nothing to do with an "attack" on the club. In reality, the club hasn't been attacked even once.
If we look at the supposed "last attack" in this series, according to your version, it would look like this: 200 people were waiting a mile away, and instead of everyone heading over to the clubhouse to cause chaos, they sent a mere 10 people to shut it down? I'm not even talking about those 10 people on the bridge; I mean a van that happens to drive through town gets pelted with bottles from the club, and suddenly that's an "attack on the club"... and this supposedly happened three times? It seems like the locals in St. Louis are trying to save themselves from their own mismanagement and inability to run the club by playing the victim to the rest of you, when in truth, nobody has ever felt threatened enough to actually storm their clubhouse. Personally, I don't see much point in such an action, and clearly, the other 200 people present in St. Louis that day weren't planning it either, because it could have been handled in thirty seconds flat. Honestly, you believe anything these locals tell you.
You're claiming we came to St. Louis to provoke a fight? I must have gotten my teams mixed up—it's like saying the Yankees were playing in Boston instead of the Red Sox.

There is still plenty to say about the clash on the bridge. There is an unreleased video showing exactly where everyone ended up and who retreated, but who cares? It's just another exaggerated conflict that people are smirking about, even though no one actually did anything special. We took more of a beating; given the balance of power, the Bad Boys should have crushed those 10 people. Besides, we couldn't afford any unorganized wandering, especially given previous attempts to start fights. We can assume what was coming next—we are responsible for our own situation, and you simply took advantage of a good opportunity.

All this lecturing about weaponry is the height of hypocrisy within this scene; everyone here carries themselves like they’re ready for a brawl, yet the moment they find themselves caught unprepared and empty-handed, they suddenly transform into the world's greatest moralists, spinning tales about how "those guys" wouldn't dare step up to a fight. The blunt reality is that we are all in deep trouble, and frankly, until someone suffers a permanent injury or something even more tragic, we are never going to shake off this old-school, aggressive mentality.

The only truly serious clash in the region over the last few months happened out in Sredance, where a group of guys went at it for a solid ten minutes before mutually agreeing to call it quits and disperse just before the police arrived. It was handled with a sense of mutual respect, everything following an unwritten code of conduct.
But of course, people immediately have to start peddling myths about who hit whom, what the headcount was for each side, and exactly how much hardware everyone was packing.

The whole area is basically one big powder keg, which makes this entire pathetic scene even worse; instead of seeing this as a chance for something positive, we are actually drifting closer to our neighbors in terms of how much we love feeding into delusions and misinformation.
silentcobra80 silentcobra80 Member
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joined Apr 2016
#3454 ·
feralwolf51 said:So someone’s out here preaching about "keeping the peace" and not looking for trouble?! What exactly were you guys doing back in VA? Attacking a local pub filled with seniors and women with signal flares? Is the Vincenzo crew really such a threat from those old clashes that you didn't even have the guts to size up a group in a bar? What are you even talking about? When there's actually something happening, you aren't anywhere to be found in the city, but the second everyone says the die-hard fans aren't around, suddenly you've all grown a pair—only to end up looking pathetic, just like you always do. Absolute bottom of the barrel! There's no point even mentioning The 12th Man or the Boys in St. Louis; if they were even worth a mention, Delija wouldn't be running the streets. And don't even get me started on that run away from Delija through Canada last year. You might be top tier in the stands, but on the street, you're nothing. See you soon.

Where on earth are you getting this garbage?
northernheron3 northernheron3 Newcomer
4 messages
joined Apr 2020
#3455 ·
Man, what a massive blowout over just a few curse words, some screaming, and people "holding their ground." 😁

Just imagine if things actually turned physical like this



Thor Steinar said:The only real scrap we've had in the region lately was back at Sredance where the Boys went at it for a solid 10 minutes, then basically agreed to call it quits and split before the cops showed up. Everything stayed chill... mutual respect on both sides.
But nope, everyone immediately starts spinning myths about who hit who, how many people were there, and who brought what kind of weapons.

Since you brought up Sredance, might as well mention that first clash out there too... I won't get into all the gritty details, but the numbers were pretty much the same and things got so chaotic that your guys were panicking and running so hard they almost trampled a few people ☕

Do you even realize what it means to fight for 10 minutes? 😁 Even the toughest crews in Europe don't last more than two minutes in a brawl. It’s way more likely they were just yelling at each other for a good 10 minutes while "holding the line." 😁
Douglas Rodriguez27 Douglas Rodriguez27 Member
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joined Mar 2022
#3456 ·
Nicholas Grant20 said:You all spend your time accusing one another of stick fights, stone throwing, gathering in large mobs, or targeting supporters, yet you are essentially identical. You share the exact same modus operandi and tell the same old tall tales. If everyone simply embraced fair play on the field, everything would become perfectly clear and transparent. If you refuse to do that, then continue operating in that chaotic, lawless fashion, but please refrain from pointing fingers at others for the very things you are doing yourselves.

It isn't that nobody attempted to change things; rather, certain individuals were simply dissatisfied with the outcome, which led to the spread of falsehoods regarding both the players and the fans.

The fundamental reason why we don't see more progress on the pitch is quite simple: both sides are, quite frankly, complete amateurs when it comes to this sport.
vividotter40 vividotter40 Active Member
148 messages
joined Feb 2013
#3457 ·
It’s honestly hard to wrap my head around the fact that people like the northstand—or whatever his actual handle is this week—even exist...
Jerry Morris2 Jerry Morris2 Active Member
79 messages
joined Dec 2013
#3458 ·
The issue with these kinds of clashes is that they’re becoming a rarity. Being armed is essential—otherwise, how do you deal with the endless chatter from internet trolls? That’s why you see all this mindless shouting online. They act tough and play both sides, when in reality, it was just one mediocre brawl that nobody actually cared about. Maybe next time they'll step it up just so you lot have something better to comment on. Honestly, let them go at it more often; maybe then the scene will finally get its act together.
wiredsurfer112 wiredsurfer112 Newcomer
7 messages
joined Sep 2017
#3459 ·
Douglas Rodriguez27 said:It’s not that nobody tried. It’s just that when people weren't happy with the results, they started spinning lies about the fighters and the fans.

The real reason we don't head out to the field is simple: both sides are complete amateurs when it comes to this sport.

Losing gives you a right to be pissed. But it isn't a reason to kill off something healthy and normal.

And calling it amateurism is a stretch. Everyone is an amateur until they actually get some real experience under their belt.

Honestly, that clip could easily be titled "The Absolute Misery of the American fan scene in one minute and eight seconds."
And that would be the truth, on so many levels. 🤦
A Anonymous Veteran
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joined May 2005
#3460 ·
Bad Boys 2006 / Dinamo vs. Stone / 20g BBB / Part 2

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