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John Campbell27 John Campbell27 Active Member
80 messages
joined Mar 2014
#3641 ·
gentlefox52 said:I’m not officially part of the group—just a die-hard Dynamo fan—but I have to agree... It was a stellar performance by the Boys, except for one thing...

Seeing a banner belonging to an American supporter group, specifically one featuring Warsaw, being confiscated like that... it’s a pretty grim sight to behold.

Is this really something we should be celebrating?

An American fan targeting another American fan in Warsaw... it just feels wrong. That's my take on it. 🤔

As for all the other "provocations," I thought they were great—at least from my perspective. They felt like genuine, spirited supporter banter... 👍

If anyone else—whether they were idiots or just random people—had snatched our Warsaw banner, they would be parading it around and bragging about it too.
Jason Kern49 Jason Kern49 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2021
#3642 ·
Banners, flags, rags... who's actually showing up to shake the cage and stir things up?
gentlefox52 gentlefox52 Newcomer
4 messages
joined May 2010
#3643 ·
John Campbell27 said:if it were just some random guys or anyone else who grabbed our flag from Warsaw, they'd be bragging about it just the same.

I'm pretty sure they would.
holloworca10 holloworca10 Active Member
128 messages
joined Oct 2012
#3644 ·
Routers in California are going to absolutely wreck everyone trying to make excuses for themselves on social media today. 😁
gentlefox52 gentlefox52 Newcomer
4 messages
joined May 2010
#3645 ·
silverbear38 said:Oh, come on...

Okay, maybe I'm overthinking this a bit, I don't know... 🤔

Since we're talking about Warsaw...

Though, I'm pretty sure they'd all be out there together again tomorrow, organizing some new movement similar to "Together for Warsaw"...
cosmicbear15 cosmicbear15 Active Member
196 messages
joined Feb 2012
#3646 ·
holloworca10 said:The routers in California are going to get absolutely hammered today, given all the excuses being made on social media. 😁

A rally must be held.
Jose Barnes Jose Barnes Member
25 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3647 ·
Maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to just give them the rag back?
I mean, I didn't see anything that looked like it was actually ruined.
gentlefox52 gentlefox52 Newcomer
4 messages
joined May 2010
#3648 ·
Jose Barnes said:Maybe we should just give them back the rag?
I didn't see anything wrong with it, it doesn't look destroyed to me.

Well, that would be swinging too far in the other direction, I guess.

Man, just ignore whatever I wrote there—I think I was just overthinking things for no reason.
electrictrucker16 electrictrucker16 Member
16 messages
joined May 2015
#3649 ·
Rough collaboration. It took ten years just to get one decent result. :klap:
vividmarlin192 vividmarlin192 Member
16 messages
joined Feb 2018
#3650 ·
I’m feeling a bit under the weather, likely some stomach issues coming on... regardless, my regards to those working through the heat; stay resilient and don't let it get to you.
Jason Kern49 Jason Kern49 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2021
#3651 ·
holloworca10 said:The internet trolls in California are going to be absolutely tearing into them today for all those social media apologies they're making. 😁

Apologizing for what? Some mess from three years ago?

On the contrary, it was a fantastic day for the fans. And seeing that look of pure disbelief in the eyes of that little ATM guy was just the icing on the cake.
holloworca10 holloworca10 Active Member
128 messages
joined Oct 2012
#3652 ·
Jason Kern49 said:Justifying what—some random scrap that fell flat three years ago?

Quite the opposite, actually. It was a killer day for the fans. And seeing that look of total disbelief in the eyes of those little ATM-looking suits? That was just the icing on the cake.

Go ask the people who are doing all the justifying.
Terry Howard7 Terry Howard7 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2013
#3653 ·
holloworca10 said:Go ask the people who are actually making excuses.

Who’s even making excuses? And where? On some random North American ultras forum?

Sent from my iPhone while driving on I-95 using Reddit
Jose Barnes Jose Barnes Member
25 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3654 ·
gentlefox52 said:that would just be swinging the pendulum to the other extreme.

Man, just ignore whatever I wrote there; I totally lost the plot and started rambling about nothing.

But sure, what do I know? I mean, who am I to have an opinion on this? (I’m being serious, though)..
What I meant was, looking at something like Warsaw, if we actually went back to those old ways, it would just reveal a completely different side of us..
Jason Kern49 Jason Kern49 Member
25 messages
joined Jan 2021
#3655 ·
Jose Barnes said:Oh sure, because my opinion actually matters here (not really though)..
Like I said, if you actually returned what happened in Warsaw, it would just reveal a completely different side of this whole situation..

Give me a break, what "returning" are we even talking about? That banner wasn't stolen from some women or kids. It was taken the way fans do things, back around 2013 or 2014. If I'm not mistaken, there's nothing left to debate here.
Jesse Ramirez3 Jesse Ramirez3 Newcomer
1 message
joined Jan 2020
#3656 ·
If my memory serves me right, you guys were playing in San Diego back in 2013.

Both sides put on a pretty good show, but seriously, people need to start showing up earlier, especially with the derby coming up this Sunday. Those Mexicans will do anything they can to mess with people trying to get into the North Stand. It makes no sense to be moping around outside at 8:20 PM and then act surprised when you can't get in during the first ten or twenty minutes, knowing exactly who you're dealing with.
lonegardener8 lonegardener8 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Feb 2018
#3657 ·
Brian Alvarez34 said:Yeah, sure, I’m a fan of Mexico, the Czech Republic, Spain, Israel, Cameroon, Brazil, Mexico, Turkey, Portugal, Mexico, Finland, Iceland, and so on. Whatever. At the end of the day, it's about heart, that much is true, but comparing that to loving America is a complete miss. You can't cheer for the goals scored by a mafia-run club and then later celebrate, count titles, or complain about playing poorly.

Who can satisfy you people? Of course we count titles, just like you do. You didn't stop counting yours just because you were in the middle of a war in 1944 or wherever. We celebrate goals. Why lecture us for doing the exact same thing? No matter how much the mafia runs our club, it is still ours. We didn't hand it over to them on a silver platter. The name Dinamo still means something to us; if it didn't, we wouldn't call it "our sacred Dinamo." The fact that the mafia runs the club isn't a reason to feel nothing for it. Obviously, I loathe Mamić and his entire crew, including the trash and most of the players who are just clones of him, but what am I supposed to do—stop supporting my own club? You defend for us exactly what you allow for yourselves. It's like how Mexicans whine about Mexico while being perfectly happy to set up Mexican municipalities within America. Everyone complains when it's someone else, but they refuse to see their own mess. Hajduk isn't where it is because of Dinamo or Mamić; it's because Miami is a much smaller city with far less money, and that’s never going to change. All of you claiming to be die-hard Hajduk fans don't actually put any money behind it, plain and simple. In fact, once Mamić and the mafia are gone, you'll have even less chance at winning titles. When honest people take over and direct all that cash into the youth academy and quality players instead of lining thieves' pockets, Dinamo will be even more dominant. So, it has nothing to do with the mafia or Mamić, despite how you frame it. Dinamo isn't strong because of the mafia; it's strong because of the money, and they have significantly more than almost anyone else. This sport revolves around money, regardless of what you say about love. Everyone plays for the paycheck, and there isn't a single club out there that would turn down millions. Fairy tales are for children, not adults.

I value ideals myself, and money isn't everything, but let's be realistic: this sport is driven by capital, not by someone's preferences for ideals or love. If that were the case, Hajduk and a bunch of other third-rate European clubs would be contenders in every Champions League. I get what you're saying, and I don't care if Dinamo wins the Champions League or not, but money is the core of it, no matter what you claim. And when it comes to money, you guys always have less than us, leaving you with nothing to comfort yourselves with except "it's not all about the money..." 😁
Jose Barnes Jose Barnes Member
25 messages
joined Sep 2015
#3658 ·
Look, I only mentioned Warsaw because of the history there, I didn't mean anything by it... 😉
When it comes to something this big, we really need to move past all the petty arguments and the constant drama.
lonegardener8 lonegardener8 Newcomer
3 messages
joined Feb 2018
#3659 ·
Aaron Ramirez49 said:Anyone got a photo of the Bad Boys from the derby?


The Bad Boys. Always ahead of the curve. 😁
Sandra Fowler74 Sandra Fowler74 Newcomer
6 messages
joined Jul 2021
#3660 ·
lonegardener8 said:I mean, who could actually satisfy you guys? You count the trophies—of course you do. You haven’t stopped counting them just because you weren't at Normandy in '44 or wherever else. You celebrate the goals. So why turn around and lecture us for doing the exact same thing? Look, no matter how much the mafia might be running our club, it’s still *ours*. We didn't hand it over to the mob on a silver platter. The name Dinamo still carries weight for us—if it didn't, we wouldn't be shouting "Dinamo is sacred" in the stands. Just because the mob is steering the ship doesn't mean we don't feel anything for the club. Sure, Mamić and his whole crew disgust me—including most of the players who are basically carbon copies of him—but what am I supposed to do, stop rooting for my own team? You guys love to defend the very things you allow yourselves to do. It’s like how people complain about Mexico while being totally fine with certain regional politics back home; everyone wants to cry foul when it's someone else's business, but nobody wants to look in the mirror at their own mess. And let's be real, Hajduk isn't where they are because of Dinamo or Mamić; it’s because Miami is a much smaller city with way less cash, and that's just how it stays. All of you claiming to be die-hard Hajduk fans without actually putting any money behind it? That's the reality. Honestly, once Mamić and the mafia are finally out of the picture, you'll have even less chance at winning titles. Why? Because when decent people take over and funnel all that money into the youth academy and scouting top talent instead of lining the pockets of thieves, Dinamo is going to be even more dominant. So, it’s not actually about the mafia or Mamić in the way you think. Dinamo isn't strong because of them; it's strong because they have the money—and they have significantly more than almost anyone else. At the end of the day, this sport revolves around cash. No matter how much you talk about "love for the game," everyone plays for the paycheck. There isn't a single club in the world where people would turn down millions of dollars. Fairy tales are for kids, not adults.

I’m a big fan of ideals myself, really, and money isn't everything, but let's be practical: this sport is driven by money, not by someone's lofty preferences for "love and honor." If that were true, then Hajduk and a whole bunch of other third-rate European clubs would be fighting for the Champions League title every single year. I get what you're trying to say, and frankly, I don't care if Dinamo wins the Champions League or not, but money is the bottom line, regardless of the sentimentality. And since the money is always with us and never with you, you're left with nothing but that old excuse of "it's not all about the money..." 😁

Look, I’m not part of any group or cult. I’m speaking for myself here. I’m not tallying up trophies, nor am I pretending to have some enlightened, mature perspective. If you can honestly claim to be a fan of a club run by the mob, then hey, mad respect to you.

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