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Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#1 ·
I went ahead and tried switching my boot speed from normal to fast.
I actually spent some time following the various tutorials on YouTube, but I hit a wall because the option shown in the video just isn't appearing on my screen:

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For context, I'm working on a Dell XPS 15—it's a 17.3" machine with a Core i7 4700MQ, 32 GB of RAM, a 256 GB SSD, and a 1 TB HDD.
George Murphy12 George Murphy12 Member
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#2 ·
Trying to pull this off?

https://lifehacker.com/enable-this-s...ter-1743697169
Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#3 ·
George Murphy12 said:Are you trying to follow this method?

https://lifehacker.com/enable-this-s...ter-1743697169

No, I am absolutely not trying to do that, and honestly, I only posted that image so people would stop pointing me toward that specific path since that option simply doesn't exist on my version of Windows 10 Enterprise.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#4 ·
I guess you might want to go ahead and open up the registry, if that's what you're looking to do!

I was just looking through some settings earlier, and I think I found where that specific path lives—it should be under Computer \ HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SYSTEM \ CurrentControlSet \ Control \ session manager \ Power. I guess you might need to dig around there if you're trying to tweak things!

If I remember correctly, you should probably go ahead and look for that HiberbootEnabled DWORD entry!

I suppose you could just go ahead and tweak everything to suit your own personal preferences, if that’s what feels right to you!

I was just thinking that maybe it might be a good idea to go ahead and turn off the fast boot option entirely! I guess it could potentially help things run a bit smoother, though I'm not absolutely certain.
I was thinking that maybe I should try turning on the fast boot feature, just to see if it actually makes a difference!
Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#5 ·
Kenneth Cruz67 said:So, just dive into the registry and open up

Computer \ HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE \ SYSTEM \ CurrentControlS et \ Control \ session manager \ Power

Then you need to hunt down the DWORD called HiberbootEnabled

and just set it however you want to have it run

0 means fast boot is off
1 means fast boot is on

I went ahead and adjusted it exactly like you suggested:

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but still, nothing is showing up in the BIOS
Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#6 ·
So, I went ahead and flipped the setting to FAST right here in the BIOS.

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Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#7 ·
Maybe you could give this a shot

Go ahead and navigate to Settings, then hit on Update & Security, and find the Recovery section. From there, select Restart now under Advanced startup, and once it reboots, just follow the path through Troubleshoot and then Advanced options until it finally gives you the option to boot via UEFI

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Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#8 ·
Kenneth Cruz67, you finally fixed it, so thanks a million for that.
Now I’ve run into yet another headache, trying to get Windows 10 installed from a USB drive. Look, I’ve reinstalled Windows hundreds of times on countless different machines, including my own, so I know what I'm doing, but this is something else entirely. I tried working on an HP one day and then moved over to my Dell, and neither of them will budge; they just keep throwing that security boot fail error right back in my face. I’ve spent days messing around with BIOS settings, burning multiple Bootable USB drives using both GPT and MBR options, but nothing works. I even cycled through Rufus and the official Microsoft Windows 10 Media creation tool, and still, I'm getting nowhere.
Whenever you find a spare moment, I’d really appreciate it if you could help me out here. In the meantime, I’ll put together a detailed breakdown with some screenshots and text so we're on the same page.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#9 ·
Edward Mitchell83 said:Kenneth Cruz67 fell asleep on me, so thank you so much for that!
I'm running into another little snag, specifically regarding installing Windows 10 from a USB drive. I feel like I've installed Windows a hundred times on hundreds of different machines, including my own, so I thought I knew the drill. But lately, I've been trying to work on an HP and my Dell, and for some reason, it just won't cooperate; I keep getting hit with a security boot fail error. I've spent days tweaking all sorts of BIOS settings, and I've tried making a Bootable USB using both GPT and MBR partitions over and over again, but nothing seems to stick. I've even experimented with Rufus and the Microsoft Windows 10 Media creation tool, yet I'm still stuck.
Whenever you might have a bit of extra time, I would be so incredibly grateful if you could help me out. In the meantime, I'll try to put together a detailed explanation with some screenshots and text to make things clearer.

I think you might just need to disable the secure boot option within the security tab, though I suppose you'll have to set a master password first to be able to do that.

So, you would basically set a password, disable secure boot, and then clear the password afterward so you don't end up forgetting it later on.😬.
Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#10 ·
Look, I’ve already tried that whole workaround, but it’s just not working, plain and simple. Here are some shots of my BIOS settings so you can see what we're dealing with

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Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#11 ·
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The thing is, all this machine offers is UEFI BOOT and CSM BOOT
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#12 ·
Did you double-check which USB stick version and what kind of port you're using?

Man, I’ve run into so many headaches with booting and installing when those two don't match up. It wasn't until I finally got a USB 2.0 stick paired with the right port that everything actually worked in MBR mode. Before that, I swear I had to mash my keyboard during every single install, messing with the boot settings like ten times just to find the one combo that actually worked. It was honestly just a frantic race against the clock to hit the right keys at the right time!
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#13 ·
I’d suggest just grabbing the Windows 10 Media creation tool directly from the Microsoft website and selecting the option to have it create a Bootable USB for you. I mean, why bother messing around with Rufus at all?
Grace Fowler37 Grace Fowler37 MemberOP
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#14 ·
Kenneth Cruz67 said:Just grab the Windows files straight from the Microsoft site and pick the option to create a bootable USB. I honestly don't get why you're even bothering with Rufus in the first place.

Trust me, I already gave that a shot. Now, what am I actually supposed to use to build the damn boot USB?
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#15 ·
Edward Mitchell83 said:Well, I gave that a shot myself too! So, I was wondering, what exactly should I use to put together a Bootable USB?

If you happen to select the USB option, I believe the Windows 10 Media creation tool will go ahead and create a bootable USB for you!

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Honestly, I think you might find that you don't even need to go through all the trouble of creating a Bootable USB at all!
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#16 ·
Wait, hold up—is the user making the Bootable USB on this machine or a different one?

If they’re using a different PC, which makes total sense, then those USB parameters are just carrying over from the other computer. They really need to match the target device perfectly.

We’re still stuck on that whole issue of getting the USB port parameters and the flash drive to actually play nice together.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#17 ·
Jack Cook7 said:Wait, I was just wondering—is the user actually creating that bootable USB on the very same machine they're trying to fix, or are they using a different computer altogether?

If someone happens to be creating that drive on a different machine—which seems like the most logical way to go about it, I suppose—then the parameters for the bootable USB will naturally carry over from that secondary device, though they really ought to be perfectly aligned with whatever target hardware you're actually planning to use!

It seems like we’re still running into that pesky little headache where the USB port parameters and the flash drive just won't seem to play nice together, I guess!

No worries at all! I’d say it's always best to just go ahead and create a UEFI bootable USB. That's what I usually do, anyway! 😁
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#18 ·
Kenneth Cruz67 said:No biggie. You just make a UEFI Bootable USB. Every single time. 😁

So yeah, forget about MBR. But the real question is whether that actually works on a different machine, especially when you start messing with different USB ports or different thumb drives.

We really need to clear this up.

The Windows 10 Media creation tool doesn't exactly "match" different hardware setups; it basically builds it for its own specific way of doing things, and everything else is just some partially supported variation.
Kenneth Cruz67 Kenneth Cruz67 Regular
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#19 ·
Jack Cook7 said:Well, if that's the case, then MBR isn't going to work out at all. But I suppose we still have to wonder if that setup will even play nice with a different computer, especially when you start considering all the different USB port and flash drive variations out there.

We really need to clear that up.

I mean, I guess the Windows 10 Media creation tool doesn't necessarily make everything compatible across every single type of machine.

What kind of variations are we talking about? 🤔

As I understand it, the minimum requirements for Windows 10 should include support for UEFI 2.3.1.
Jack Cook7 Jack Cook7 Regular
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#20 ·
So many different versions out there.

Basically, MBR doesn't mean anything other than the actual content—that little bit of assembly code—sitting on sector 1 of the hard drive. That’s where the IBM BIOS hands over the keys after the POST. It literally just grabs sector 1 (512 bytes, no ECC included) and dumps it into some part of the RAM, and then the very last instruction in the POST is just a jump straight to that first line of code it just loaded.

Man, things have gotten way more complicated over the last 40 years, thanks to guys like Bill Gates, IBM, and Intel. If I really wanted to break it all down for you, I’d need like three pages of dense, rambling text. I actually touched on a piece of this when I was explaining booting via a network card using >.

My advice? First, figure out what version of USB ports you're dealing with on both the source and the destination machine, and check which USB version your flash drive actually uses. Most PCs and laptops nowadays have a mix of 2.0 and 3.0.
Once we know that, then we can get into the weeds.

Also, just a heads up: EFI isn't the same thing as UEFI. UEFI supports MBR, FAT16, FAT32, and even MFT, but like I said... things are getting messy.

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