Changes to referee guidelines

So, does anyone actually know what the hell the referee guidelines are for this stuff:

1.) It makes zero sense to me why a player gets slapped with a yellow card just for ripping off his jersey after scoring a goal, yet he’s allowed to climb up the stadium railings without getting booked?
2.) Also, maybe this isn't an official rule, but something happened a few months back over in Italy
Basically, after scoring from a penalty kick, Parma's Domenico Morfeo went to chase down the ball—if I remember right, he cut the deficit to 2:1 with about five minutes left on the clock
The goalie was still laying on the grass, nowhere near the play
Morfeo grabbed the ball and started heading toward center field when some massive powerhouse of a player just absolutely leveled him. Morfeo is pretty small and slight 😬 so he basically just folded onto the turf
And the ref (who supposedly saw the whole thing go down) actually handed Morfeo a yellow card???
To make matters even worse, that was his second one—which should have been a straight red🙄
3.) And then there's the whole deal where a player gets sent off right after a penalty is awarded—that "last man" rule (I think that implies the goalie should basically be sent off by default every time he gives up a penalty)—honestly, I feel like that's such an overkill punishment. They already got the penalty! After that, the game is basically over anyway.

You clearly don't get the basics of how modern soccer works.

wiredfalcon2 said:you don't get the basics of modern soccer.

Thanks for the masterclass... really went all out there, didn't you? 😕

So, what exactly are these "basics" of modern soccer we're talking about here?
Giving a player a hard time for taking his shirt off?

There’s actually one more thing—regardless of how messy the situation gets, a player can't be punished twice for the exact same incident.
Say you headbutt a player—it's brutal—but the ref misses the worst of it or just misjudges the severity and hands out nothing but a yellow card.

In that scenario, does that mean they can't hand down a retroactive suspension after reviewing the replay, simply because the player already served his punishment on the field?

graniteviper37 said:thanks for the lesson... really put in the work there😕

so what exactly constitutes "modern football basics"?
giving a player a warning for taking his shirt off

there’s also this thing where a player can't be punished twice for the same specific action, no matter how much of a hassle it is
say you headbutt someone, the ref misses it or totally misjudges the severity and just hands out a yellow card

in that scenario, they can't go back and slap him with a later penalty after watching the replay, right? because he's already been punished?

what do you mean "how not"? players have always known they could get busted based on video review, even if the ref didn't call it on the field immediately.
plus, refs have always had the power to change their minds. look at that mess with Lazio vs. Roma where they initially red-carded Doni, then the linesman stepped in and downgraded it to a yellow once it turned out the keeper wasn't actually the last man.

wiredfalcon2 said:how can you say that? players used to get slapped with suspensions based on video replays even if the ref didn't pull the trigger on the field right then and there.
plus, refs actually had the power to flip their calls mid-game. look at that mess with Lazio and Roma—the ref originally goes to red-card the keeper, Doni, but then the linesman jumps in and corrects it to a yellow because it turns out the keeper wasn't technically the last man.

yeah, exactly—all without an immediate penalty from the official
but if you’re actually paying attention to Serie, Lucarelli wouldn't have faced any extra heat for hacking down little Pandev after the ref only handed him a yellow during the match (if my memory serves me right, Lucarelli was the one who ended up tying it up 2-2, which is wild considering he should've been sent off)

1 Who on earth told you that climbing onto the goalpost was perfectly legal?
2 I couldn't say; I didn't witness the incident myself, but based on your description, it seems the referee made a questionable call.
3 Look, when determining whether a penalty should be assessed, one has to consider the player's trajectory relative to the goal. If they were moving away from the net, the official has the discretion to issue a yellow card to the goalkeeper, but isn't strictly obligated to. However, if they were charging toward the goal, then the official is generally expected to hand out a caution.

I think the AD should probably implement...

a rule where any player gets a 5-minute sit-out for every foul committed...

Samuel Wilson5 said:1 Who told you climbing the fence is totally fine?
2 I don't know, man, I didn't see that specific play, but based on what you're saying, the ref definitely blew it.
3 Look, when deciding on a penalty, you have to look at the player's positioning relative to the goal. If they were moving away from the net, the ref can give the keeper a yellow card, but he doesn't have to. If they were charging toward the goal, then yeah, the keeper gets booked.

1. Honestly, I haven't seen anyone get cautioned just for jumping on a fence before—just look at any major derby in the US, like a Yankees vs. Red Sox situation where players go wild after a home run...

2. I actually posted these exact same questions on an Italian forum, and two actual referees who remembered the play chimed in. They said the rules are clear: the ref didn't really have another choice. He might have been able to book both players, but apparently, the defenders are protected in this scenario.

3. Wait, hold up—are we talking about positioning or movement?
If it's about how the player is moving, then they're almost certainly heading toward the goal.
I mean, anything could happen at the European Championship, right? It’s not like we haven't seen two keepers get sent off after conceding penalties before.
I think back then they mentioned that the "last man" rule (the red card) applies regardless of whether it's a straight penalty or just a foul outside the box—and that includes the keeper being counted as a player.

Maybe there's a referee lurking in here who can actually explain this to me?

graniteviper37 said:2.) It might not be an official rule, but look at what happened a few months back in Italy.
Basically, after scoring from a penalty, Parma's Domenico Morfeo headed straight for the ball in the net—if I remember right, he cut the lead to 2-1 about five minutes before the whistle.
The keeper was still face-down on the grass—nowhere near the ball.
Morfeo grabs it and starts heading toward the center circle when this absolute tank of a player just bulldozes him. (Morfeo is small and fragile 😬 so he just folded onto the turf)
And the ref—who apparently saw the whole thing—gives Morfeo a yellow card???
To make matters worse, that was his second one—it should have been a red.🙄

From what I recall, under the current guidelines, a player isn't supposed to go into the goal to grab the ball and carry it back to the center—it usually just triggers a confrontation.

graniteviper37 said:I think they said back then that the "last man standing" rule—you know, the exception part—applies regardless of whether it’s a penalty inside the box or just a foul outside the area (which counts for the player, including the goalie)

Look, there is absolutely no such thing as a "last man" rule, and there never has been.

What actually exists is the rule regarding denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, which is what triggers that red card.

Now, I know there’s this whole school of thought out there—and honestly, I get it—that suggests you shouldn't be handing out red cards when the foul happens right inside the penalty area, because the team is already getting punished enough by giving up a penalty. It's a common-sense approach, and frankly, some referees actually stick to it even if it isn't explicitly written in the handbook.

graniteviper37 said:1. Look, I haven't seen anyone actually get a yellow card just for jumping the fence. Just watch any big derby in the States... players do it all the time after scoring.

The Olympic Stadium doesn't even have fences high enough to climb unless those guys are literal spiders or someone’s giving them a boost. Most of the barriers are just a few feet high, made of plexiglass or whatever—impossible to scale because, let's face it, nobody in the MLS is trained in vertical glass climbing.
What actually happens is they just sprint over to the barrier and maybe slap their hands against it to acknowledge the fans on the other side.
It really just comes down to whether the ref feels like being a buzzkill and calling them for time-wasting.

Honestly, maybe I should just stop watching football altogether...😬

And that plexiglass isn't even that high at the Rose Bowl, wiredfalcon2—seriously. If someone really wants to get rowdy, it’s not like they can't just leap right over it by grabbing the edge and hauling themselves up... 😉

Sinnovac said:That plexiglass isn't even that tall at the Yankee Stadium... if you actually go for it, it’s not like you can't just scramble up there with your hands and hoist yourself over... 😉

just remember we're talking about soccer players here 😬

wiredfalcon2 said:The Olympic Stadium doesn't even have fences high enough for players to climb unless they're literal spiders or someone hands them a ladder. Most of the barriers are just a few feet tall and made of Plexiglass or whatever—it’s basically impossible to scale because, let's be real, the guys playing for local clubs aren't exactly trained rock climbers.
What actually happens is they just run up to the barrier and slap their hands against it to wave at the fans on the other side.
Then it's really just up to whether the ref is feeling generous or if they want to nail them for time-wasting.

A few feet high?
Are you watching this through some weird TV lens or what?
If you were actually at the stadium, I don't know where you were looking from, but players can absolutely hop up onto the top of those Plexiglass barriers.

graniteviper37 said:a few meters high?
are you watching this from some TV camera angle or what?
if you were actually at the stadium, I don't care where you were sitting, players can literally climb right over the plexiglass barrier.

When I said a few meters, I wasn't talking about a 20-foot wall, just maybe 6 or 7 feet...
honestly, why am I even bothering to explain this?
my point stands—it’s basically just the ref being nice by not handing out penalties.

I'm refereeing the first division in Mexico, so let me know what you want to talk about. It’s common sense that you get a yellow card if you take off your jersey—it's not like you're at a public beach or anything. And jumping into the stands for a few seconds? That's just part of the game.

Just imagine the sheer rush of burying a goal and then throwing yourself right into the heart of the crowd...🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏 🙏