Coffee talk

I realize this topic might have been touched upon before, but frankly, I don't mind if it has.🙂

The thing is,
I was watching Oprah the other day—she had this nutritionist or specialist on—and he made a very specific claim:

"Stop drinking coffee for six weeks; instead, switch to green tea, and I guarantee you'll lose five pounds..." He explained it by suggesting that coffee spikes insulin production, which essentially makes it easier for sugars to bind—and thus, we store fat more readily.😁 It’s just... well, it makes you worry about weight gain.

Yet, not long ago, I read an article in a major newspaper claiming the exact opposite: that coffee actually boosts your metabolism by 5-10%, making it a perfect tool for a diet.

To be honest, I don't even want to dwell on whether coffee is "harmful" to one's health—mostly because I am a total coffee junkie... and quite frankly, those conflicting headlines drive me insane. One day it's "Coffee is killing you," and the next it's "People who drink more than three cups a day have a lower risk of..." It's exhausting. Why should I give up my habit when even the experts can't seem to agree on whether it's truly detrimental? I've tried to cut back here and there, but I simply cannot.

😢

So, does anyone actually know the truth regarding this?🙂

Please, do not lecture me with "coffee is bad for you" or similar platitudes. I am NOT asking for that; my question is specifically about the metabolic impact—does it actually contribute to weight gain or not?

Don't listen to that loudmouth or her crowd of college-educated patients.

They all have enough cash to basically hack their own genetic code through "exercise, healthy eating, and mindfulness" and live to be 100, while they peddle cleverly packaged ads to us mere mortals. It's probably just because Oprah bought some cheap green tea... 😁 Or maybe she owns some massive plantation out in Africa in a little village where she used to hand out goats...

The whole trick is that green tea actually kicks your metabolism into gear
Coffee’s got caffeine, while tea brings the theine

They basically do the same thing, except coffee hits you fast and burns out just as quickly.
With green tea, it’s the exact opposite

And you absolutely have to drink that green tea without any sugar added

Honestly, just go hit the squash court and you'll drop the weight for sure—unless you drop dead first.😛

Jesse Ortiz4 said:The whole idea is that green tea boosts your metabolism.
With coffee, you have caffeine—with tea, it’s theanine.

Generally speaking, they have similar effects, though coffee tends to kick in faster but wears off more quickly.
Green tea works the opposite way.

And you absolutely have to drink green tea without any sugar.

Honestly, just get out on the squash court and you'll lose weight for sure—unless you drop dead first.😛

But the point isn't necessarily how to lose weight; rather, if I could be five pounds—or even two pounds—lighter without drinking coffee, then I would have a truly compelling reason to quit... although, truth be told, I am searching for some convincing reason regardless.🙂

I mean, who knows if it's true that "caffeine stimulates insulin production, which ties up sugar so it gets absorbed more"—at least, that's what someone mentioned.

dustypilot2 said:I don't know, someone was claiming that caffeine actually triggers insulin production, which then helps process sugar more efficiently... just some guy's theory, I guess.

Check this out if you want to dive deeper. Honestly, when you look at how insulin reacts, plain old sugar and stuff like that are way more dangerous than caffeine will ever be...

So, you drink your coffee black, or are you using some kind of sweetener?

Honestly, those artificial sweeteners are total garbage. 🙂

If you ask me, salt is the number one drug out there, and sugar takes second place.

Seriously though, why even bother drinking coffee in the first place?

dustycanyon6 said:Take a look at this article regarding the matter. When you consider the impact on insulin alone, sugar and similar substances are arguably far more hazardous than caffeine...

I will certainly give it a read. 🙂

While it may be true that sugars pose a greater risk—no doubt about it—I find myself in a different situation; I can go six months without chocolate or sweets quite easily, yet I simply cannot manage even half a day without my coffee...😁

Jesse Ortiz4 said:So, you drink your coffee without sugar—meaning, without any sweeteners?

Even artificial sweeteners aren't really any good, in my opinion.🙂

Salt is considered the number one culprit, followed by sugar as number two.

Why do you even bother drinking coffee at all?

Well, I use brown sugar—as for sweeteners, I have a genuine phobia because, in my mind, it's hardwired: sodium equals a heart attack.

Perhaps it isn't strictly true, but I am telling you—it’s a phobia.😳

And yes, I drink coffee because I love it; there are times when I wouldn't dream of eating all day if it meant I couldn't have my coffee...🙂

I don't want to admit to myself that it isn't healthy... otherwise, if I were to honestly admit to myself that it is unhealthy, I would have to stop... yet, here I am, obsessed with healthy eating.

It is quite funny, really.😎

Betty Hill82 said:Don't bother listening to that gloom-and-doom type or her bunch of college-educated patients.

They all have enough cash to just... genetically engineer their way out of everything.

Yeah, because she's clearly such a shining example of a healthy lifestyle...😁

Melissa Cruz2 said:Yeah, she really is the poster child for healthy living.😁

She might not actually be a model of healthy living—quite the opposite, in fact—because the reason she’s struggled with her weight all this time is precisely because she knows so much about nutrition. Plus, she employs private trainers, nutritionists, and so on... she isn't producing this show entirely on her own... etc., etc...

So, basically... and more importantly: she wasn't the one dispensing the advice, but rather... some doctor...

So🙂, okay?😁

Oprah drives me absolutely crazy, yet I find her shows to be quite excellent...

And don't even get me started on how much Sarah Miller irritates me. Honestly, I can't even watch her. What an uneducated woman.😁

dustypilot2 said:exactly, ...and more importantly: she wasn't even the one giving advice, it was... some doctor...
so🙂 ,fine?😁

but it’s still a prime example of a lifestyle gone wrong
😁
well, I already mentioned in a comment that all those rich people seem to have everything.

and speaking of Oprah, totally off topic, but I remember when her guest was Cindy Crawford and they were talking about how she's the face of some cosmetics brand. And Oprah asks: "Is that why you have such great skin? It looks amazing in magazines." And Crawford just goes, "Nah, it's just Photoshop, they fix everything up..." 😵

Melissa Cruz2 said:but it’s still just an example of a bad life.
😁
Look, I was just replying to the comment about how every rich person basically has everything handed to them.

And speaking of Oprah, totally off topic here, but I remember when Cindy Crawford was her guest and she was talking about being the face of some big beauty brand. Oprah asks her, "Is that why you have such perfect skin? It looks amazing in magazines." And Cindy just goes, "Oh, please, it's all Photoshop. They fix everything up." 😵

So why is it sad if she's actually being honest?😕

dustypilot2 said:I'll give it a read🙂

Maybe sugar is the bigger danger, but honestly, I could go six months without chocolate or anything sweet... though I couldn't survive half a day without coffee...😁

You can't, because you're addicted. If you actually manage to kick the habit, you'll feel so much better. It’s the same deal with sugar—it's just as addictive, people just don't talk about it enough.

Anyway, I know what I'm talking about. Even though I've never really been a coffee person, there was this one stretch in my life where I became totally hooked on caffeinated drinks, specifically Diet Coke—so, caffeine and aspartame. Without Diet Coke, I just couldn't function. I was so irritable and edgy... and the second I started pouring it into me, before it even hit my stomach 😁, I felt the relief. Quitting was rough, but once I set my mind to something, I get it done. Basically, after I quit cold turkey, I felt completely drained and physically weak. I almost passed out a few times... probably because my blood sugar crashed. But hey, that's in the past. Now, I don't touch diet drinks with aspartame anymore (no more Pepsi Max, Diet Coke, Diet...) and I only have a Pepsi or a Coca-Cola once in a while—maybe while hanging out at a Bamboo cafe over the weekend or when I head back to my hometown. Most days, I just stick to plain water. I never drink soda... unless I'm outside on a patio during the weekend.

Kate Sullivan22 said:Why is she being so fake if she’s supposedly "honest"?😕

Because she’s out here pushing a product she’s paid to promote... hard to be truly honest when you’re basically just a walking billboard for a corporation...

So, are carrots actually good for you?
YES - they’re packed with vitamins 👍
NO - overdoing it can cause vitamin toxicity (basically, your body can't flush out Vitamin A fast enough, and then you're stuck with massive headaches and just straight-up feeling like crap) 👍

So what's the verdict? Honestly, it all comes down to how much you're eating 👋

ZOsvald said:vitamin deficiency (when the body can't quickly flush out Vitamin A

just one little thing... I think "avitaminosis" actually means a total lack of vitamins, not having too much Vitamin A...😉

Kate Sullivan22 said:Then why is she such a fraud if she's being "honest"?😕

I'm not even going to quote the other response; I'll just answer your question directly. She’s a total hypocrite.

First off: who actually trains like that? I work out too, but let's be real—that flat stomach and those lifted assets after forty are achieved ONLY through liposuction and fat grafting. Have you ever once heard her mention doing that?

Second: someone her height who drops over 60 pounds in a few months isn't going to fix all that loose skin without plastic surgery. Did you ever hear her bring up her discarded skin?

Third: remember her first extreme diet? She looked like an owl. Look at her now: tight face, zero wrinkles, baby cheeks, and no double chin. Then, seeing she messed up, she tries to justify plastic surgery on a show about people with facial disfigurements. She even brought on a guest who had excess skin removed after a massive weight loss. Did she mention herself? Of course not.

"Honest"???? Just because she admitted out loud that she was overweight and trying to lose weight? Please. She could have claimed she was a supermodel, but your TV wasn't on, nor was this Forum. 😁

Who works for her? Do a little digging.
Who does she bring into the studio? Do a little digging.

And even IF she were being honest: you should listen to people who actually know what they're talking about. She clearly isn't the gold standard for someone who lost weight naturally... So why would anyone listen to her?

She is the ultimate walking billboard. Melissa Cruz2 was right: if you're advertising, there's no honesty left.

Though, I have a feeling none of this is going to sink in with the viewers.

😁

Whatever, enjoy the debate. Cheers. 🙂

ZOsvald said:Is a carrot actually healthy?
YES — they contain vitamins. 👍
NO — they can trigger vitamin toxicity (the body struggles to process Vitamin A quickly enough—which leads to headaches and... well, let's just say gastrointestinal distress)👍

So, what’s the verdict? — it all comes down to dosage.👋

What now?! Let's just grab a coffee, man.🙂))

(By the way—if that's the case, why is coffee considered healthy? Personally, I think it might be better to skip it entirely, yet you seem to imply there are benefits to it... so, what's your take?

( By the way—if coffee is supposedly "healthy," what exactly is the benefit? I still lean toward the idea that it might be better to avoid it altogether... but since you've essentially argued that there are actual health benefits to drinking it... *for what, exactly?

Look, I suppose coffee might be more detrimental than beneficial in the long run, but if you're just sticking to one or two cups a day, it's unlikely to cause any real harm... everything comes down to moderation, I guess. I’ve actually tried to kick the habit several times myself... at one point, I went completely cold turkey for about two months, but eventually, I gave in because I simply missed that specific aroma and flavor profile too much.😁

Lately, I've been swapping out regular brews for those instant packets, like a Starbucks Via or something similar... they're significantly weaker than a standard cup, but they still contain caffeine and the taste isn't half bad... or so I think.

As for green tea, I drink it almost daily and it honestly feels great; I really do feel quite good after having it... green tea keeps you alert throughout the entire day, but it doesn't give you that sudden, aggressive "jolt" you get from coffee, only to have the exhaustion crash back down on you shortly after.

What I'm trying to get at is this—if you can't live without your coffee, then by all means, keep drinking it, just like I do. Perhaps try limiting yourself to just one cup a day (assuming that's what you're currently doing) and supplement that by sipping green tea throughout the day... you might see a difference.👍

I also tend to use brown sugar; I can't stand artificial sweeteners or plain white sugar.

Regarding whether it makes you gain weight or not, personally, I don't believe coffee causes weight gain. If anything, it seems to speed up my metabolism (meaning 😳I'm heading straight to the restroom right after my coffee😁).

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