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hollowviper hollowviper Member
10 messages
joined Apr 2020
#1181 ·
darktinker4 said:Look, do you actually realize they just DON'T ALLOW IT? I'm coming from a tiny little hamlet—honestly more of a village than a town—trying to get a permit to head into a nearby city 6.2 miles that's actually quite far, but it's basically just a small spot with one huge supermarket. And you know what they told me?

The official stance from the CZ headquarters and the Department of Homeland Security is that all shopping
and business should be handled within your immediate local area. Traveling is prohibited unless
you have an exceptional permit, which is only valid for a specific date.
Since there are multiple ATMs available in your location, and since following
recommendations from the Federal Reserve, almost all banks have waived fees for
withdrawing cash from other machines, your request is denied. ☕

There is literally ONE ATM, one tiny convenience store, and one small grocery shop. So yeah, they can just shove it.

Is this maybe Orahovica? That's what it feels like to me.😁
Matthew Jackson2 Matthew Jackson2 Active Member
146 messages
joined Jan 2016
#1182 ·
hollowmason64 said:Nah, they actually solved that by putting way more cops on the road. Now, even if you’re cruising at 40 or 45, you have to drop down to 30 just because some idiot is doing 75, otherwise you'll end up getting pulled over too.

I was thinking more about people who actually live in the same community.
As for how long this lasts... personally, I wouldn't expect anything to wrap up before late May.

Fair enough, but what do you think would be a better solution?

So why don't they just apply that same logic to this current mess?

They have those vans equipped with license plate scanners that alert patrols about repeat offenders, expired registrations, and all that junk. If they actually integrated that tech to flag vehicles owned by people who are supposed to be in self-isolation, they would have made a massive dent in the problem already... way more effective than messing around with these ridiculous permits, especially given how absolutely botched this whole implementation has been.
Jeffrey Palmer7 Jeffrey Palmer7 Member
13 messages
joined Apr 2020
#1183 ·
Hi everyone, I’d be really grateful if someone could lend me a hand here. I currently live in Velika Gorica, but I’m planning to stay at my boyfriend's place in Washington, D.C. for about two months. Will I run into any legal trouble if I stay there without officially updating my residency? Also, what’s the best way to handle this so I can move around Washington, D.C. without any issues?
electricbadger89 electricbadger89 Regular
423 messages
joined May 2019
#1184 ·
You can't even change your residence right now. If you manage to get into Washington, D.C., you're free to stay and move around there—for the time being.
Nicholas King Nicholas King Regular
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#1185 ·
hollowmason64 said:Nah, they actually solved that by putting way more cops on the road. Now, even if you’re cruising at 40 or 45, you have to drop down to 30 just because some idiot is doing 75, otherwise you'll end up getting pulled over too.

I was thinking more about people who actually live in the same community.
As for how long this lasts... personally, I wouldn't expect anything to wrap up before late May.

Fair enough, but what do you think would be a better solution?

What is the actual purpose behind this measure? What are we even doing here?

The only supposed justification for this ban was to prevent a mass exodus from Washington, D.C., particularly following the earthquake. And honestly, one could argue about that reasoning for quite some time.

But, I think a much better approach would have been—instead of all this massive administrative bloat and wasted manpower trying to regulate things that simply can't be regulated (or will just sort themselves out anyway)—to focus strictly on monitoring those actually in self-isolation.

From the very limited experience I have, this "monitoring" usually consists of nothing more than a single, one-off police check. I’m not saying there aren't outliers, of course, but this kind of superficial "check" shouldn't even be happening, let alone being treated as a standard procedure.

It is a fundamentally excessive measure that does more harm than good. In these kinds of prolonged, psychologically taxing situations, you really have to be careful not to push people too far. This specific policy has succeeded only in driving a huge number of people absolutely crazy.
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#1186 ·
hollowmason64 said:Nah, they actually solved that by putting way more cops on the road. Now, even if you’re cruising at 40 or 45, you have to drop down to 30 just because some idiot is doing 75, otherwise you'll end up getting pulled over too.

I was thinking more about people who actually live in the same community.
As for how long this lasts... personally, I wouldn't expect anything to wrap up before late May.

Fair enough, but what do you think would be a better solution?

And what if they just limited things at the county level instead?

Think about it. You end up needing X number of checkpoints for every single municipality—if it’s a major city, you're easily looking at 10. For the smaller towns, you still need at least 2.

Now multiply all that by every municipality in one state and tell me: wouldn't it have been way easier just to lock down the whole state if that was even the goal?
rustywalker42 rustywalker42 Active MemberOP
244 messages
joined Oct 2012
#1187 ·
Maybe this doesn't hit home for us directly, but since our leaders basically just copy-paste whatever they see happening overseas, take a look at this:

The Australian Prime Minister claims they’re keeping everything locked down until at least October—unless they stumble upon a cure first.

Prime Minister @ScottMorrisonMP
says Australia's #coronavirus bans, restrictions and shutdowns are here to stay until at least October or until we have a vaccine.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sunriseon...08469891895302

And get this—Bill Gates was already talking about this exact scenario years ago. Check it out. He mentions lockdowns that could drag on for years. If he’s lying, then I’m lying too:

Bill Gates linked to an article that supports 3-month quarantines, *repeated* vaccinations, social distancing for *years*, and the elimination of American values. Surprise : The author Has Had exclusive access to Bill since 2017. This is starting to stink!

View on twitter
George Murphy12 George Murphy12 Member
40 messages
joined Apr 2020
#1188 ·
Check out these Google movement stats...

https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobi..._Report_en.pdf
Jacob Patel2 Jacob Patel2 Newcomer
5 messages
joined Mar 2020
#1189 ·
Lisa Chase3 said:Grlić-Radman says we gotta look out for our people living abroad. I guess.

Then again, once they get back, they're gonna have to be in (just) isolation anyway, I guess.

How much of a "safety net" is traveling actually? And what’s even the point of isolating there versus just staying put here? I mean, I get one difference—it’s like how nothing beats a home-cooked meal from your mom; it’s warm, it’s real, and honestly, it just hits different when the memories start flooding in.

Forget about exchange students for a second. Now, America (and all its neighbors) has suddenly become this warm, safe haven that people were actually fleeing headfirst just a little while ago. And it wasn't even because there weren't jobs—there were plenty—it was more like, "I'm not working for those peanuts" in this decaying America. People would just say, "last one out, turn off the lights." It’s wild how the sun is suddenly shining on this rotten place now that the whole world has gone completely insane. 🙄

I haven't really dug into everything yet, just skimming whatever news I catch or stuff I read real quick; feels like a ton of details are missing, and honestly, people probably only care about it for their own selfish reasons anyway.

As for drones and all that surveillance crap—bye-bye, privacy, if you even had any to begin with. And those people with zero conscience who've been making headlines for days (you know, the ones who show up looking "suspicious" or testing positive for COVID-19 even though they aren't actually sick, but they're still out there wandering around)? There aren't even going to be any fines to make them behave, because the whole system is broken. It’s like one of those news segments about speeding on the interstate; some businessman gets a little too eager to make a meeting, so he just keeps a stack of cash ready to pay the ticket on the spot. He doesn't give a damn. That's just not how you fix anything.

Bravo for the comment; I sign off on that from beginning to end.
hollowmason64 hollowmason64 Regular
411 messages
joined Jan 2016
#1190 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:The government pays your salary, you have passes to walk around, and yet you're lecturing us about how staying home for a few weeks isn't a big deal.😁

I wouldn't want to be in your shoes either.

No, I'm not on the government payroll; my paycheck comes from a private employer. They're international, if you're curious. I actually carry a work permit because of it, too.
I’d honestly give you everything I have, including my salary—and trust me, it’s not a bad paycheck. Think of it like having an all-access pass with zero limits; you could basically travel all across the country, from coast to coast, and just feast your way through every single state.😁Honestly, if it were an option, I’d take that deal in a heartbeat—I'd gladly step in and sit at home for you instead. I’d just live off your income and stick to shopping at the local grocery stores. I'm not being dramatic or trying to sell you some sob story here; I genuinely mean it.
I’m actually home right now because it's finally my turn for vacation. And honestly, believe it or not, I haven't even stepped foot outside the house once since I got back this week. Just the thought of it makes me feel a bit nauseous—knowing that my turn comes up again in just two weeks and I'll have to go right back to wearing masks and gloves.
I posted here about a week ago—honestly, it feels like you guys don't have the slightest clue what it's actually like trying to work under these circumstances, especially when most of your job involves being face-to-face with people. You're constantly stuck wondering if you're going to catch something. But for you all, sitting at home sounds like the real struggle. Poor things.

Nicholas King said:What is the actual purpose behind this measure? What are we even doing here?

The only supposed justification for this ban was to prevent a mass exodus from Washington, D.C., particularly following the earthquake. And honestly, one could argue about that reasoning for quite some time.

But, I think a much better approach would have been—instead of all this massive administrative bloat and wasted manpower trying to regulate things that simply can't be regulated (or will just sort themselves out anyway)—to focus strictly on monitoring those actually in self-isolation.

From the very limited experience I have, this "monitoring" usually consists of nothing more than a single, one-off police check. I’m not saying there aren't outliers, of course, but this kind of superficial "check" shouldn't even be happening, let alone being treated as a standard procedure.

It is a fundamentally excessive measure that does more harm than good. In these kinds of prolonged, psychologically taxing situations, you really have to be careful not to push people too far. This specific policy has succeeded only in driving a huge number of people absolutely crazy.

It’s because we’ve turned into such spoiled, comfortable pieces of crap. We’ve reached this point where we feel entitled to have every single variety of everything right at our fingertips, like everything in life just needs to be instantly available whenever we want it.
Yesterday, a friend of mine from Canada was telling me that things feel even worse right now than they did during the war—back when everything around her was exploding and gunfire was going off, and she honestly couldn't tell who was on her side or if people were still alive or dead.
I ended up just sending her packing, straight to hell.

rustywalker42 said:And what if they just limited things at the county level instead?

Think about it. You end up needing X number of checkpoints for every single municipality—if it’s a major city, you're easily looking at 10. For the smaller towns, you still need at least 2.

Now multiply all that by every municipality in one state and tell me: wouldn't it have been way easier just to lock down the whole state if that was even the goal?

It’s a perfectly reasonable solution for anyone actually thinking straight. But let's be clear—it isn't the sensible people causing the headache, nor are these measures being implemented because of them. It’s all because of those idiots who thought they could just hop over from Split to Solin for a quick coffee or vice versa using fake passes. That kind of behavior is exactly why we're stuck dealing with these new permit requirements in the first place.
Look, here’s the deal regarding that pass for property maintenance. It’s become a matter of survival at this point, honestly. I don't think anyone's going to be able to catch a break or have any peace of mind for at least another month or two.
It always seems like the level-headed people are the ones getting screwed over because of everyone else. Honestly, it’s the exact same story here.
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#1191 ·
So I'm reading that they’re being flooded with pass requests—like 100,000 people applied, and if they approve even 10%, that’s still 10,000 people out and about... what's even the point of a permit if 10,000 people are just wandering around anyway?

If you look at the big cities, there isn't some massive outbreak happening. You have 100,000 people moving around, yet only maybe 5 to 10 new cases a day...

And is it really okay to lock down a house? Sure, let's just leave it unsupervised for three months and let them break in 26 times. By the time you get back, there won't even be any doorframes left...

Then I read about this official over in a small town near the coast who refuses to issue passes. 250 people asked, and she won't even hear of it. Her stance is basically that outsiders shouldn't be moving into her town and bringing Corona... does this even need more commentary? She’d probably rather kick out the workers at the oil terminals just because they're walking through her town, stopping at the pharmacy, or grabbing lunch at a local deli (which, by the way, isn't even under her jurisdiction). If we can't dock a tanker, the US will be out of fuel in ten days... so who's actually the crazy one here?
quietfox38 quietfox38 Member
30 messages
joined Mar 2023
#1192 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:So I'm reading that they’re being flooded with pass requests—like 100,000 people applied, and if they approve even 10%, that’s still 10,000 people out and about... what's even the point of a permit if 10,000 people are just wandering around anyway?

If you look at the big cities, there isn't some massive outbreak happening. You have 100,000 people moving around, yet only maybe 5 to 10 new cases a day...

And is it really okay to lock down a house? Sure, let's just leave it unsupervised for three months and let them break in 26 times. By the time you get back, there won't even be any doorframes left...

Then I read about this official over in a small town near the coast who refuses to issue passes. 250 people asked, and she won't even hear of it. Her stance is basically that outsiders shouldn't be moving into her town and bringing Corona... does this even need more commentary? She’d probably rather kick out the workers at the oil terminals just because they're walking through her town, stopping at the pharmacy, or grabbing lunch at a local deli (which, by the way, isn't even under her jurisdiction). If we can't dock a tanker, the US will be out of fuel in ten days... so who's actually the crazy one here?

You heard that wrong. They've actually issued 192,000 e-permits in just two days.

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a497225...be-smisao.html
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#1193 ·
quietfox38 said:You heard that wrong. They've actually issued 192,000 e-permits in just two days.

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a497225...be-smisao.html

That was for one specific area, but fine, thanks for your "useful" data. So, on average, 100,000 people are wandering around America, all while the economy is dead. What's even the point of these passes? If they didn't exist, would significantly more people actually be moving around?

How exactly did you manage to suppress an epidemic when 100,000 people are out walking every single day? And look, those are just the ones with passes. In the big cities, anyone can walk around wherever they want... and there are 2,000,000 people living in those cities...
Joshua Gray75 Joshua Gray75 Active Member
92 messages
joined Oct 2013
#1194 ·
quietfox38 said:You heard that wrong. They've actually issued 192,000 e-permits in just two days.

http://hr.n1info.com/Vijesti/a497225...be-smisao.html

Božinović mentioned something later about how they are "monitoring the situation on the ground" and are aware of the issue regarding "multiple municipalities—meaning, finding a way to link several areas together"... he didn't say it word for word, obviously, but that was the gist of it. Perhaps there is still a chance they will show some flexibility so that movement isn't strictly confined to just one municipality at a time...

So, there you have it. Let's try to stay optimistic! 😉👍

And a quick note to the handful of people living in Washington, D.C. who don't see anything wrong with these restrictions—I’d suggest you pack your bags and move to North Korea. It sounds like your kind of paradise.
(And yes, hollowmason64, that goes for you too...)

Yeah, I know—I’ll probably get a warning for this. Or maybe even a ban for a few days... Not that it matters much, I spend far too much time on here anyway... 😁
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
238 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1195 ·
Jacob Patel2 said:Bravo for the comment; I sign off on that from beginning to end.


Same here.
All those people who were talking so much trash and acting like they were too good for us, now they're all running back home to their hometowns.
But let's be real, they didn't mind using our healthcare system just fine when they came over for a little Vacation...
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
238 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1196 ·
Bryan Taylor6 said:So I'm reading that they’re being flooded with pass requests—like 100,000 people applied, and if they approve even 10%, that’s still 10,000 people out and about... what's even the point of a permit if 10,000 people are just wandering around anyway?

If you look at the big cities, there isn't some massive outbreak happening. You have 100,000 people moving around, yet only maybe 5 to 10 new cases a day...

And is it really okay to lock down a house? Sure, let's just leave it unsupervised for three months and let them break in 26 times. By the time you get back, there won't even be any doorframes left...

Then I read about this official over in a small town near the coast who refuses to issue passes. 250 people asked, and she won't even hear of it. Her stance is basically that outsiders shouldn't be moving into her town and bringing Corona... does this even need more commentary? She’d probably rather kick out the workers at the oil terminals just because they're walking through her town, stopping at the pharmacy, or grabbing lunch at a local deli (which, by the way, isn't even under her jurisdiction). If we can't dock a tanker, the US will be out of fuel in ten days... so who's actually the crazy one here?

Just to quote my own post from another thread:

dustymarlin10 said:What did you guys expect, a government run by the secret police?
What if there aren't even 10,000?
The workforce in America is about 1.3 million people.
If half of them are just bureaucrats sitting at home now, plus those banned from working, plus the remote workers, you're looking at maybe 650,000 employees left.
And at least half of those people don't even work where they live.

EDIT: Finally managed to snag my permit.
After nearly 48 hours of wrestling with the system.
And I didn't even use my business token from HPB; I had to use my wife's private one from RBA.
Maybe that helps someone out...
Bryan Taylor6 Bryan Taylor6 Active Member
179 messages
joined Oct 2017
#1197 ·
Joshua Gray75 said:Božinović mentioned something later about how they are "monitoring the situation on the ground" and are aware of the issue regarding "multiple municipalities—meaning, finding a way to link several areas together"... he didn't say it word for word, obviously, but that was the gist of it. Perhaps there is still a chance they will show some flexibility so that movement isn't strictly confined to just one municipality at a time...

So, there you have it. Let's try to stay optimistic! 😉👍

And a quick note to the handful of people living in Washington, D.C. who don't see anything wrong with these restrictions—I’d suggest you pack your bags and move to North Korea. It sounds like your kind of paradise.
(And yes, hollowmason64, that goes for you too...)

Yeah, I know—I’ll probably get a warning for this. Or maybe even a ban for a few days... Not that it matters much, I spend far too much time on here anyway... 😁

Why a ban? You didn't say anything wrong. 😁
hollowfox3 hollowfox3 Member
27 messages
joined Oct 2020
#1198 ·
electricbadger89 said:You can't even change your residence right now. If you manage to get into Washington, D.C., you're free to stay and move around there—for the time being.

Is it possible to change your legal residence?
dustymarlin10 dustymarlin10 Active Member
238 messages
joined Nov 2015
#1199 ·
Not really right now.
darkotter35 darkotter35 Active Member
57 messages
joined Jul 2018
#1200 ·
The absolute kicker is that nobody from the FEMA Regional Office is even bothering to get back to me regarding those permits.
That basically means they’re sitting on their hands until Monday, which is right when the final deadline hits.
Honestly? I hope they all just choke on their own incompetence. Absolute trash.

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