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lonegardener said:Not quite. 🤷 If you apply that same logic to yourself—basically allowing someone else to "own" you in the exact same way—then how can you possibly call it selfishness? If you aren't truly your own person to begin with, where is the self to be selfish? 😕
I’m not a fan of that term. To me, it feels like an attempt to "amnesty" what I see as pure selfishness. If we label everything above as just being selfish, then we're implying that selfishness isn't inherently bad—and once you go down that road, you can justify just about anything.
Of course, it’s pure selfishness. If you want to possess someone else while claiming you only belong to yourself—as if that somehow preserves your "autonomy"—you're just being self-centered.
I’d say something along those lines, though I might frame it a bit differently. I could also see myself coming to a slightly different conclusion.
Sure, the reason could be legitimate, or it might just be something someone made up. Personally, I tend to think it’s usually based on reality—that's your subconscious picking up on an actual situation where there's a genuine reason to feel jealous. It stems from that underlying fear that you're eventually going to lose what you consider "valuable."
So, people who claim they aren't jealous are really just devaluing what they supposedly "have." They tell themselves there are a million others just like you, all before the breakup even happens. Honestly, it makes the split so much easier to stomach if you've already mentally checked out and convinced yourself you're replaceable.
It reminds me of that old joke about John. When people ask him why he went and married such an unattractive woman, he just shrugs and says, "So I won't feel too bad when she eventually leaves me." 🤣
That isn't actually true, is it? I mean, would you honestly enjoy getting attention from someone who’s just a terrible person? Someone you don't even like, or who actually makes your skin crawl?
Only give your attention to the things you perceive as "positive." You could even go so far as to say, only focus on what you deem "eligible" from your own perspective. 😬
Sure, I’ve definitely run into people like that—the type who crave attention from absolutely anyone and everyone. To me, that feels like a pretty strange way to feed one's ego. Honestly, it just doesn't make any sense.
Sure, you can do that. But like I said, staring facts straight in the face isn't always helpful. If the reality of the situation is actually bad—meaning you have a legitimate, valid reason to feel jealous—then what does "facing the truth" really achieve? How is knowing you're right supposed to help you control the jealousy when the facts are just confirming that your suspicion is justified?
Look, I didn't mean it like that—I know how this comes across. But honestly, you were the one who said it was already over, so I'm just going by what you told me.
I completely agree. I’d much rather take a hammer to the head than a knife in the back, or a bullet to the forehead than being impaled on a stake. Just because there’s something even worse out there doesn't make the current situation "positive." Saying a knife in the back is worse doesn't mean you should celebrate getting hit with a hammer, or that it's something to be grateful for, LOL. You wouldn't say you "appreciate" a mugger just because he didn't kill anyone during the robbery. 🤣
Did you forget where we started this conversation? We began with an "honest" stance—that we’ll stick together until we find something better. The fact that being shady is even worse than our current spot doesn't make it a good thing. It’s simply choosing the lesser of two evils. That's my take on it, anyway; feel free to disagree if you think this is actually ideal. 😬
It seems to me that you and I are using different definitions of "selfishness." To me, selfishness is a fundamental human trait, whereas narcissism is negative in every context because a narcissist only cares about everyone else to the detriment of themselves.
Let me try to explain it this way: Can you love more than one woman at the same time? I personally couldn't love more than one man—I could fall in love, sure, but I couldn't *love*. Therefore, "selfishness" in romantic love means focusing your partner exclusively on one another without diluting that love by spreading it to others. That’s why I call romantic love "selfish."
Of course, it's toxic selfishness if you want to possess another person while viewing yourself as solely your own and no one else's—essentially, "maintaining your autonomy."
That's just narcissism.
I would say something similar to the point above, though perhaps with different wording and maybe a slightly different conclusion.
Then it isn't really all that similar. 🤣
Well, yes, the reason might be real, or it might be imagined. It seems to me that it's mostly real—that your subconscious is telling you what the actual situation is, and within that reality, there are legitimate reasons to feel jealous. You sense that, eventually, you're going to lose what you perceive as "valuable."
Exactly, I think so too.
So, those who claim they aren't jealous have actually just "devalued" what they supposedly "have." They tell themselves, "...there are a million people just like you," even before they break up. Of course, it makes a breakup much easier to handle if you've already reconciled yourself to it.
To me, that reminds me of that old joke about Moe, when he's asked why he married such an unattractive girl. He says, "So I won't regret it when she leaves me." 🤣
You could say that you simply realize everything is fleeting and come to terms with it (as much as possible). Speaking of jokes, there's also this one:
Moe brought five women along to pick a life partner. He spent a few hours there and walked away happy. Solomon asks him how he made his choice, and he explains that one was brilliant, another was an incredible cook, a third had a gentle soul...
"And which one did you pick?" Solomon asks impatiently.
"The one with the biggest breasts." 😁
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| That isn't actually true, is it? You wouldn't find the attention of someone, say, a terrible guy "pleasing," especially if you actually found him repulsive. |
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| One only "enjoys" the attention of those they perceive "positively." Or perhaps, one could say, those perceived as "eligible" from their own perspective. 😬 |
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| Though, truth be told, I have encountered those who "enjoy" anyone's attention, literally anyone. To me, that seems like a strange form of vanity. Illogical, really. |
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| You can, but as I said, looking at the facts realistically doesn't necessarily help. If the factual reality is such that you actually HAVE a legitimate reason to be jealous, how does knowing that help you control the jealousy? It just confirms you have a reason for it. |
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| Um, I didn't mean to imply I knew "how." I just know it ended, as you said yourself. |
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| No, I agree. A hammer to the head is better than a knife in the back, and a bullet to the forehead is better than being impaled. But just because something worse exists doesn't make the lesser evil "positive." Just because a knife in the back is worse doesn't mean you should celebrate getting hit with a hammer, or value it, LOL. You can't say you "appreciate" a robber just because he didn't kill anyone during the heist. 🤣 |
You seem to have forgotten where we started this conversation—with the idea of an "honest" approach, staying together until something better comes along. Just because settling for less is slightly better than choosing the absolute worst option doesn't make it a great way to live. That’s just my take; feel free to disagree if you think that's actually ideal. 😬
I haven't forgotten. But don't you think most relationships actually start that way? Or do you honestly believe every single romance is built on "love at first sight"?😬 Of course, that doesn't mean every casual beginning turns into some epic, soulmate-level love story, nor does it mean every relationship is a total disaster. You can never truly know where a relationship is headed or how it will end, regardless of how it kicked off.