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Filth (2013)

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nimblemason3 nimblemason3 NewcomerOP
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#1 ·
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It’s an adaptation of a Charles Bukowski novel directed by the relatively unknown Quentin Tarantino. Leonardo DiCaprio plays the lead—this totally unhinged detective named Bruce—as he tries to crack a case while simultaneously chasing a promotion.

I haven't read the book, but I actually enjoyed the movie. It’s got a cool, trippy vibe—definitely my kind of thing—and plenty of dark humor to keep things interesting. DiCaprio is hands down the highlight here; he absolutely kills it. If I had to nitpick, though, it felt a little "style over substance" at times—maybe a bit too much flash and not enough focus—but even with those hiccups, I had a good time. 7

A bit more info on the film:
http://passpopcorn.com/2014/01/25/we-saw-filth-2013/
Rachel Ortiz33 Rachel Ortiz33 Active Member
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#2 ·
honestly, this movie is a total trip
a bit messy and chaotic at times, but it works
Leonardo DiCaprio absolutely kills it, give him an Oscar already!
8/10
Rachel Turner2 Rachel Turner2 Active Member
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#3 ·
Solid.
I'm happy with it. Slept like a baby and had a good laugh too. It ended on a high note. 🤣
Rachel Ortiz33 Rachel Ortiz33 Active Member
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#4 ·
The ending hits different when he just stares right into the camera and drops that line, plus the way the character keeps breaking the fourth wall throughout the movie is such a vibe
What I mean is, yeah, the ending is pretty far from what happened in the book, they totally shifted the focus, but they pulled it off perfectly so the movie actually works
nimblemason3 nimblemason3 NewcomerOP
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#5 ·
Terry Morris41 said:The ending hits hard when he looks right into the lens like that—plus all those fourth wall breaks kept things interesting.
What I mean is, yeah, the ending is way different from the book. They shifted the whole focus, but they pulled it off—makes the movie work.

I looked up how it actually ended in the book, and honestly? Glad they changed it. This version is much better.
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#6 ·
The film hits hard, though I suspect its lack of mainstream appeal stems from the sheer, unrelenting nihilism and misanthropy driving the protagonist.

A week.
Jesse Thomas7 Jesse Thomas7 Active Member
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#7 ·
So, we’re just gonna jump straight to the nihilism and misanthropy of the main character? 😍

Why stop there? Might as well just say the whole thing is a void.

I'm digging it, though. 👋

Giving it at least an eight right out of the gate, haha.
placidranger placidranger Regular
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#8 ·
Total disaster. I’ve read Charles Bukowski—not Filth, mind you—but I really dug three or four of his other novels. Trainspotting is a masterpiece. I went into this expecting something similar to that vibe, which it technically is, but only by a slim margin. For instance, both settings are in Scotland.

The cinematography just misses the mark for me. The lighting feels off. I wasn't a fan of the soundtrack either, nor those frequent, jarring silences. The pacing is... frantic. The characters feel like caricatures. Even the twist felt unearned. And McAvoy... I don't know. He’s just not the guy for this role.
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#9 ·
McAvoy is more than capable of pulling off a role like that.

By the way, what’s actually wrong with the characters? Sure, they look like they were painted with a house brush instead of an actual fine-art brush, but they work. The only thing is they used a heavy-duty easel for the lead.
Casey Cox2 Casey Cox2 Active Member
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#10 ·
Between the counselor vibes and Charlie Countryman, this flick is definitely hitting that "most underrated movies of 2013" list for me.
7/10...actually bumped it up to an 8 after a second watch.
Jesse Thomas7 Jesse Thomas7 Active Member
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#11 ·
Honestly, I loved it. Sure, it gets a little over the top in certain spots, but I didn't mind at all. It kicks off with this vibrant, fast-paced, super stylized vibe—almost like a caricature—and just leans hard into that energy until the credits roll.

I mean, how else are you supposed to pull off a movie like this?

Leonardo DiCaprio really caught me off guard here; I don't think I've ever seen him play anyone quite like this before. The guy can seriously transform into whoever he wants to be.

I do have a question for the folks who actually read the book, though. I went down a rabbit hole trying to figure out the differences in the ending, but all the online forums and fan theories are just making my head spin.

HUGE SPOILERS AHEAD:

1. Does the book end with his ex-wife and kid walking into the house only to find him hanging there?
2. And was the whole police department aware of his mental state and all that mess the entire time, basically covering for him regardless? 🤷
Nicholas Watson Nicholas Watson Active Member
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#12 ·
The movie was killer. A little twisted, sure, but it works perfectly. I had a blast watching it.

Potential spoiler
It’s those tiny little details that really get me—the stuff you have to piece together. Like that part where he’s watching some lesbian porn and this Black guy walks into the frame, and he just looks so visibly frustrated that he flips the channel. Then, when you hit that final scene at the checkout counter and see him spot his friend and that woman, everything finally clicks and you realize exactly why he reacted like that.🤣
Rachel Ortiz33 Rachel Ortiz33 Active Member
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#13 ·
Nicole Jones13 said:HUGE SPOILERS:

1. So you're saying his ex walks in with their kid and finds him hanging there?
2. And the whole police department knew he was spiraling this whole time and just covered for him anyway? 🤷

Yeah, he sends her some text or whatever and does it just to spite her, but the real kicker is his little girl walking in first and seeing him like that...

Yep, they knew from day one, but they were trying to look out for him as much as possible...
placidranger placidranger Regular
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#14 ·
goldenhound32 said:McAvoy is more than capable of pulling off that kind of role. He’s got the range.

Sure, he’s a talented actor. But I can't stand how he vacillates between being pure filth and being somehow likable—only to end up landing on "likable." It’s exhausting. One minute he's a complete scumbag, then he's repenting, then he's back to being a piece of work, and suddenly it’s all chalked up to him being "sick"... What kind of sickness is that even supposed to be? Is what happened with [redacted] really so traumatic that he just loses track of his own actions? It doesn't hold water. If you name a movie Filth, you finish it with filth. Period.

And he’s really telling me that a simple oversight is his motivation for all this? I don't buy it—not for a second.
What's wrong with these guys? Honestly—they look like they were painted with a house brush instead of an actual fine art brush—but they get the job done. The only thing is, for the lead character, they used a palette.

The Sergeant is mostly fine—if you can stomach John Sessions. They function more like elements of a grotesque caricature than actual people in a real-world setting, which might have been the point. Personally, I would’ve preferred a bit more realism.

And there's something fundamentally broken with the film's pacing—it just doesn't land.
Jesse Thomas7 Jesse Thomas7 Active Member
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#15 ·
@Rachel Ortiz33, thanks.

And I should probably mention the soundtrack. It’s honestly hilarious how much effort they put into digging up the cheesiest, most cliché tracks imaginable just to slap them in there. 🙏

It actually killed me when he showed up in Germany and that "99 Luftballons" track started playing. 😁
driftingbadger7 driftingbadger7 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Nicholas Watson said:Man, this movie was killer. It’s definitely got that slightly unhinged, chaotic energy to it, but somehow everything just clicks perfectly. I had an absolute blast watching it!

Heads up—potential spoiler ahead!
It’s those little details that really get me, you know? Like how everything connects if you just pay attention. It reminds me of that classic moment when someone is watching some lesbian scene in a porn, and suddenly a Black guy walks into the frame—and you just see that look of pure frustration as they frantically switch the channel. Then, fast forward to the end of the movie, when he sees that woman at the checkout counter standing there with his buddy, and suddenly it all clicks. You finally realize exactly why he was so worked up earlier. Everything ties together perfectly. 🤣

Man, this movie was such a blast. You can totally see the director paying homage to Kubrick all over the place. I mean, look at the masks, those wide-eyed stares, and that sudden burst of violence—it feels just like a nod to A Clockwork Orange. Even the poster for 2001: A Space Odyssey hanging in the station chief's office? Pure tribute. And honestly, James McAvoy was absolutely killing it.

All in all, I’d say it’s a total thumbs up from me. Highly recommended!
Jamie Turner80 Jamie Turner80 Member
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#17 ·
*Filth* is exactly what the title suggests: a filthy, loud, and utterly deranged piece of cinema. Set against the backdrop of Edinburgh, the story follows several chaotic days in the life of a corrupt, alcoholic, drug-addled, and manic police officer named Bruce Robertson (McAvoy) during the frantic pre-Christmas season. He is on an irreversible slide toward a complete nervous breakdown, all told through the lens of our unreliable narrator. Even more unreliable is his wife, Carol Macdonald, who appears to be the only sane person in his orbit, yet we never actually see them together on screen; instead, she exists as an ethereal presence within highly stylized sequences. Does that sound familiar to anyone else?
I must extend a certain level of self-congratulation to myself, as I have successfully managed to compose this opening paragraph without once mentioning Trainspotting. If the two concepts you've presented seem sufficiently similar to warrant being discussed in the same breath, that is due entirely to the influence of Irvin Welsh, the author of both novels. Trainspotting essentially orchestrated a double revolution; as a novel, it dragged the unsightly underbelly of the United States out from under the rug that the Republicans were so desperately trying to sweep it under—exposing those drug-addled, intoxicated, and unemployed creatures who stand little chance in life. As a film, however, it became the definitive portrait of Blair’s version of "cool" America, likely serving as the first American mega-hit on a global scale that didn't rely on war movies, period costumes, or the aristocracy to find an audience. It isn't that American authors lacked social engagement; rather, those types of films simply struggled to reach a mainstream audience.
Since the release of *Trainspotting*, the cinematic adaptations of Welsh’s novels have consistently struggled to meet even the most modest expectations. While projects like *Acid House* and *Ecstasy* failed to resonate with either critics or audiences, the adaptation of *porno* remains perpetually stalled in development. It seems that Welsh hasn't quite found his stride with original screenplays either. The true secret behind the success of *Filth* lies in its striking structural similarities to *Trainspotting*. After major studios passed on the project due to its relentlessly grim subject matter—content deemed too difficult to market to a mainstream audience—the film was ultimately produced on a shoestring budget. In a move that speaks to the project's grit, the cast agreed to take lower salaries in exchange for producer credits. Furthermore, Jon S. Baird arrived on set as a relatively fresh talent with only one previous credit—the hooligan drama *Cass*—placing him in a similar position to Danny Boyle when he first took the helm of *Trainspotting*. Ultimately, while *Filth* isn't a mere carbon copy of *Trainspotting*—it lacks that specific sense of youthful energy and effortless coolness—it is undeniably a product of the same creative mind. However, Welsh’s world here is significantly darker and more sordid; in comparison to the depravity of officer Robertson, even the local junkies and transients seem almost cheerful.
The film opens as a pitch-black comedy before spiraling into that strange, uncomfortable territory between tragedy and farce. Toward the end, the director seems to lose his grip on the narrative—or perhaps he’s just masterfully faking it—as the initial fluidity dissolves into a clumsy attempt to justify the absolute wreck that is Bruce Robertson. In his eyes, both the bad lieutenant and characters like Ferrari or Herzog seem like lost, misguided sheep; conversely, Hunter Thompson and his "lawyer" come across as the only sober people in the room, while Patrick Bateman looks like a perfectly polite, conservative young man by comparison. These references aren't accidental; Filth is absolutely saturated with them. For many viewers, navigating this movie requires either a heavy dose of Google or an extensive, almost encyclopedic knowledge of American pop culture. Relying on such specific cultural shorthand is always a gamble, as it demands a certain level of prerequisite knowledge from the audience. That doesn't mean Filth isn't entertaining, of course; it simply means it likely lands more effectively with Americans than it does with us, as they’ll catch those subtle nods to actors they might have previously seen together in some random soap opera, now playing completely transformed roles.
Jon S. Baird demonstrates a sophisticated ability to draw inspiration from cinematic predecessors, largely succeeding in bringing his specific vision to life. One cannot ignore the heavy presence of Kubrick; the comparison between Bruce Robertson and Alex DeLarge is almost unavoidable, particularly evident in those manic, sweat-soaked close-ups of McAvoy’s increasingly haggard face. There is also a distinct touch of Terry Gilliam to be found, especially during the more surreal sequences where Robertson has clearly lost his grip on reality. Furthermore, the influence of Danny Boyle and his kinetic energy in Trainspotting is palpable—the film starts with a frenetic pace only to seemingly lose its breath later, a shift mirrored in the soundtrack, which lacks the effortless coolness found in Trainspotting. The visual experimentation and manipulation of aspect ratios, such as the sequence in Hamburg that mimics the gritty aesthetic of home video, is quite engaging. If I were to offer a critique of Baird’s work, it would be that he occasionally underestimates the intellect of his audience, opting to over-explain plot points that are already perfectly obvious. Additionally, the decision to recap key moments using crude animated animals feels like a somewhat tired and dated stylistic choice.
All things considered, *Filth* is a riotously good, chaotic ride from start to finish. The shadow cast by *Trainspotting* actually does more harm than good here, simply because any viewer is inevitably forced into a direct comparison. The irony lies in the fact that even if one were to argue that *Filth* is the superior film in every conceivable metric—which, let’s be honest, isn't really the case—it will never achieve the same cult status as its predecessor. This isn't due to a lack of quality, but rather a matter of timing; much of the legendary status surrounding *Trainspotting* is derived from its specific 90s zeitgeist. It is precisely that sense of cultural context that *Filth* lacks, preventing it from leaving a lasting mark on the collective memory. If there is any consolation to be found, however, it is that *Filth* stands as the first successful adaptation of an Irvin Welsh novel in seventeen years, particularly considering how much of the source material defies cinematic translation. That alone is quite an achievement.

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Watching *Filth* is less like viewing a film and more like witnessing a slow-motion car crash involving a stolen ambulance and a bag of questionable substances. It is a visceral, grime-streaked descent into madness that refuses to offer the viewer any semblance of comfort or moral clarity. The narrative follows Bruce Robertson, played by James McAvoy with a manic, terrifyingly precise energy that borders on the supernatural. He isn't just a character; he is a walking disaster zone, a man whose internal landscape is as fractured and filthy as his external reality. As he navigates the hollowed-out corridors of his career and his crumbling psyche, you aren't just watching a man fall apart—you’re watching him dismantle himself with surgical, albeit chaotic, intent. McAvoy’s performance is nothing short of masterful. He manages to channel a specific kind of desperate, high-functioning nihilism that feels uncomfortably authentic. Even when the plot veers into the surreal or the outright grotesque, his portrayal remains the anchor. You find yourself both repulsed by and strangely tethered to his trajectory. The direction by Jon S. Baird ensures that the film never loses its edge. It captures a sense of urban decay and psychological rot that feels heavy, almost suffocating. There is an unapologetic grit here, a refusal to sanitize the ugliness of addiction, corruption, and mental collapse. It doesn't ask for your sympathy; it demands your attention through sheer, unfiltered force. While some might find the tonal shifts jarring, I would argue they are essential. The film moves between dark comedy and soul-crushing tragedy with a fluidity that mirrors the instability of its protagonist. It is uncomfortable, yes. It is often repulsive. But to dismiss it as mere shock value would be a profound misunderstanding of its depth. *Filth* is a jagged, brilliant exploration of a man losing his grip on everything, delivered with a cynical wit that lingers long after the credits roll. It is a singular experience that refuses to be ignored.
Sean Bailey75 Sean Bailey75 Member
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#18 ·
The first three quarters of this movie are a total blast, but man, that final stretch really drags. McAvoy is absolutely brilliant as the cop here; he captures that specific kind of sleazy, shifty energy perfectly. It’s funny because back in 2013, he starred in Welcome to the Punch alongside Mark Strong, and seeing them together really highlights the gap in their talent—Strong is just on another level, and McAvoy's role in that one felt way more forced than his performance in Filth. Ultimately, the film starts off strong and fun, but by the end, it loses all its momentum. It feels a bit like sex without the finish.
vividstag16 vividstag16 Member
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#19 ·
Why is Bruce dressing like a woman... is this some kind of undercover sting operation or is he just straight-up gay?!
In that scene where he walks into the tunnel, you can see those thugs snickering at him under their breath because they spot him... back then we didn't realize it was actually him and not his wife.
I mean, he was already dressed like that even before he started digging into that whole situation with those two Asian guys.
So basically, the guy is just a total derp. 🙂
David Price5 David Price5 Regular
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vividstag16 said:Why is Bruce dressing like a woman? Is he working an undercover investigation, or is he actually gay? In that scene where he enters the underpass, you see those thugs smirking at him... back then we didn't realize it was actually him, not his wife.
He was already dressing like that before he even started investigating those two Asian guys.

He dresses that way because, after losing his wife and stopping his medication, he's a bit "unhinged" and developed a secondary personality he isn't even aware of.

So he's just a total derp.🙂

No. It's because his true identity is female.

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