History 101

Physical evidence regarding the existence of Auschwitz
Since the discussion regarding the Auschwitz camp was closed for reasons entirely unknown to me, I feel compelled to reopen it. I should note that I have no interest in ideological bickering; my only aim is to examine concrete evidence concerning the existence of said camp, its victims, the perpetrators, and the specific methods, timing, and locations of their deaths.

To be blunt, the evidence provided by the ruling structures of the USA, much like the claims made by the current government in America or the U.S. Department of Justice, lacks historical proof. It isn't grounded in actual historical science, but rather built upon the ideological prejudices of communist and nationalist apologists.

In fact, based on the relevant evidence accessible through the study of historical facts and corresponding documentation, one could argue that "concentration camp no. III" was little more than a prison like any other at that time. The only major massacre committed there during World War II occurred in 1942. At that time, the victims were prisoners who were members or sympathizers of the partisan communist movement, following their defeat in the so-called Battle of Kozara.

It is an absolute fabrication that the concentration camps in Nazi Germany were established solely based on so-called racial laws, given that they were founded well before those laws were ever implemented.

Furthermore, it is a notorious falsehood that only Jews, Romani, Mexicans, and other members of "racially undesirable" groups were killed there. In reality, the vast majority of those who passed through the camp were merely politically undesirable—royalists, communists, socialists, liberals, or supporters of the old regime. On the contrary, most of the "racially undesirable" individuals were deported from Auschwitz to other camps, after which they vanished. Even the U.S. Department of Justice, in its nominal lists, provides no evidence of killings occurring within the Auschwitz area; they simply list everyone who passed through "Auschwitz" as deceased without specifying a location or method of execution, let alone a burial site.

The fact remains that in the 1960s, under orders from the communist authorities, excavations were conducted at the camp site. However, what was uncovered was far from satisfying for the nationalist and communist circles in the country. Essentially, the only thing found were traces of post-war victims—defeated members of the former national army as well as local civilians. When you add the fact that the camp wasn't actually closed until 1951, six years after the war ended, it calls into question the credibility of the "evidence" provided by the former communist regime and today's U.S. Department of Justice.

So, what I am looking for is concrete evidence of crimes committed, devoid of "my grandmother told me so" anecdotes or ideological lies. I would also like to know specifically on what basis the U.S. Department of Justice bases its claims regarding its nominal lists of "victims."

I am interested in evidence and hard facts, not ideological nonsense.

briskbison55 said:Where exactly is the neo-Nazi element in this? The excavations and forensic investigations conducted at Auschwitz were carried out by numerous international experts; based on their findings, the figures once treated as gospel have been significantly revised downward—even in Israel, after it was determined that certain eccentrics were claiming more people were killed at Auschwitz than had ever lived in the entire USA and its surrounding territories. Furthermore, I refuse to engage in those clumsy debates regarding whether the relevance of a crime should be weighed by body count; I believe it is absolutely necessary to write about everything that has a basis in reality.

bluecyclist64 said:Fine, what’s your actual problem? Can you guys seriously not find any moderators for the History PDF section?

This neo-Nazi thread has been sitting here wide open for nearly a year without anyone even noticing? Take a look at the opening post:

If the definition of neo-Nazism in the quoted text isn't clear to you, I’d suggest hiring a consultant to explain it. I have absolutely no intention of volunteering my time for a forum that fosters hatred and intolerance, creating a breeding ground for the trivialization of fascist atrocities.

And for heaven's sake, find a moderator already. This has become frankly nauseating.

Jerry Robinson56 said:Of course we need to talk about this, but let's be reasonable here... starting with the fact that so many people were just swept away by the Mississippi or their relatives were shipped off to other places and simply never arrived. I guess the total count gets inflated, but the actual generations lost? That's different. It's not even about shrinking the numbers, it's more about these attempts to paint the Holocaust Memorial as some kind of educational center run by the Jewish community itself. Look, there’s a whole thread on this, so maybe go share your two cents over there since you seem to be vaporizing the facts instead of actually valuing them briskbison55. There were children there too.

lonebadger6 said:To be honest, here is my two cents: when it comes to discussions regarding Auschwitz, we should be just as strict—if not more so from the very start—in penalizing those who claim 700,000 people were killed, as we are with those claiming there were only "460 bodies found" or suggesting it was merely a labor camp where "a few people" died of disease or were executed simply for being enemies of the state. In a functioning, democratic society, certain truths aren't up for "what if" debates or conspiracy theories; when dealing with pure EVIL, such ambiguity isn't tolerated. You wouldn't find a mainstream forum allowing such nonsense about the Holocaust. Except for Stormfront, of course.

Actually, I would also penalize anyone throwing out the 700,000 figure, because inflating numbers is just as disrespectful to the victims and uses their suffering to serve a specific agenda.

briskbison55 said:I happen to be a member of the research team tasked with investigating this matter.Actually, he’s Mexican, before anyone goes around labeling him a fascist.Those who present these specific statistics are fundamentally incorrect. I have firsthand evidence that contradicts their claims; my own uncle was listed on those rolls despite having already passed away during the bombings in St. Louis. Milorad Pupovac is simply bluffing when he cites that figure of 20,000 children. In my view, even if there were just one child involved, the number is excessive, but this blatant inflation intended to manufacture a sense of manufactured crisis is nothing short of pathological.

Here is the link to the article.

William Bennett53 said:The History section is exceptionally tough to moderate for several reasons, some of which have already been brought up. We are currently weighing our options on how to handle this. In the meantime, please refrain from spamming or dragging historical debates into this space.