Is death actually natural?

Sam Murphy said:It honestly feels like it should be a given that we’re meant to be immortal, because let's face it, the whole concept of aging is just a massive design flaw, and if you listen to what some of the top researchers are saying, the human body isn't actually programmed to fail us like this... I truly believe they've already stumbled upon the key to eternal life, it's just being kept under wraps, hidden away from the rest of us mere mortals.

"there's no unusual".. immortals..
way too much "mdma" [?]..
more/most likely [17:15+]..
H+ 🙂

Are people who go down the rabbit hole asking about life after death potential suicide risks? Like, do you guys think someone obsessing over what happens when we die is actually just one step away from SUICIDE?

Betty Myers6 said:Are people who go down the rabbit hole asking about life after death potential suicide risks? Like, do you guys think someone obsessing over what happens when we die is actually just one step away from SUICIDE?

I don't think so, though I suppose anyone could reach a breaking point if things got bad enough. To me, it feels more like someone just grappling with the big questions—maybe searching for a deeper purpose or dealing with that universal anxiety we all get when we really start thinking about mortality.

Betty Myers6 said:Are people who go down the rabbit hole asking about life after death potential suicide risks? Like, do you guys think someone obsessing over what happens when we die is actually just one step away from SUICIDE?

So, are people asking about how much human waste—plus all the paper, bacteria, antibiotics, whatever—is produced daily, basically just wannabe "eco-warriors"? Or are folks who dig into all this useless, random info just potential "nutcases"...? I mean, having information—or even just thinking you do—about anything at all... that's pretty much normal nowadays... RIGHT..?

ironrider11 said:"there's no unusual".. immortals..
way too much "mdma" [?]..
more/most likely [17:15+]..
H+ 🙂

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It doesn't necessarily mean that he or some other billionaire is going to die or has already passed away, because it's entirely possible they're just living somewhere far away from the public eye... ☕

Mistique, what do you mean by "mistake"?
And do you realize that the reason death terrifies you so much—the reason that dread follows you everywhere—is because you've conditioned yourself to view your own soul through such a degrading lens? What you perceive about death and the world at large is simply a projection of your own heart. Intuitively, you know that what lies behind death's door is innocence, kindness, love, compassion, and acceptance. It’s all waiting there. And that creates a massive conflict: the contrast between how you see yourself—as something worthless or flawed—and the reality that greets you when those doors finally open. It leaves you feeling unworthy, alienated, and out of place. It’s unsettling, truly. And your hypersensitivity only makes it more intense.

That said, I have to say, from reading your posts, you handle that burden with incredible skill. Seriously, kudos to you. I admire you. Just... give yourself some credit. That heart of yours, after everything it's endured, deserves a high five.

Andrew Price3, you’re basically the only one who isn't walking around with their eyes glued shut like everyone else. Honestly, thank you for that. You've got this warrior's spirit—pure, raw, and real—which is a hell of a lot different from the fake-ass personas most people put on. It's like they all wear these masks just to survive in this modern-day Matrix, thinking it's the only way to get by. But look around... what do you actually see? Just life and death, and nothing else. People build up these psychological defenses because they can't handle looking into the void, and let's be real: emptiness is just existence without any stakes. Life only feels intense when you realize death is right there with you, even if that weight is a massive, heavy burden to carry on your back.

Someone close to me is leaving. Dying. My absolute worst nightmares are playing out in real time.
It’s hard to even describe how I feel. Everything is just... clear. I get it all now. That same person knows exactly what's happening, too. We're both just playing along. Looking at each other.
But the part that's killing me isn't the death itself—it's the sheer lack of humanity from the medical staff.
Zero compassion. Watching them struggle while the people supposed to be caring for them act like they have no souls. It's stripping away any shred of dignity left in the dying process.
As much as death scares me... seeing this... I find myself praying for it. 😢

ambercrane722 said:Andrew Price3, you’re basically the only one who isn't walking around with their eyes glued shut like everyone else. Honestly, thank you for that. You've got this warrior's spirit—pure, raw, and real—which is a hell of a lot different from the fake-ass personas most people put on. It's like they all wear these masks just to survive in this modern-day Matrix, thinking it's the only way to get by. But look around... what do you actually see? Just life and death, and nothing else. People build up these psychological defenses because they can't handle looking into the void, and let's be real: emptiness is just existence without any stakes. Life only feels intense when you realize death is right there with you, even if that weight is a massive, heavy burden to carry on your back.

The Matrix? What if there isn't one?
You mention emptiness... are you suggesting that death is what "fills" life?

darkcanyon10 said:Someone close to me is leaving. Dying. My absolute worst nightmares are playing out in real time.
It’s hard to even describe how I feel. Everything is just... clear. I get it all now. That same person knows exactly what's happening, too. We're both just playing along. Looking at each other.
But the part that's killing me isn't the death itself—it's the sheer lack of humanity from the medical staff.
Zero compassion. Watching them struggle while the people supposed to be caring for them act like they have no souls. It's stripping away any shred of dignity left in the dying process.
As much as death scares me... seeing this... I find myself praying for it. 😢

If I can tell you one thing... she is moving into a realm that will make these final, inhumane moments seem utterly insignificant. In fact, her transition "there" will be even more magnificent and divine precisely because of how uncomfortable and undeserved the conditions here have been.
Don't be afraid. Where the soul goes, there is healing and revitalization. And they stay in touch—whether through dreams, or those spontaneous moments when you think of them for no reason and suddenly feel a surge of encouragement, safety, or comfort right when you need it. Or perhaps through a silent, imagined dialogue (which isn't actually imagined, but is very real, though the brain perceives it as fantasy or madness because it's programmed not to believe in conversations with the soul... only the heart knows better), or even an actual dialogue. Place your hands over your heart and speak to it. Believe me, their heart will hear. Make their discomfort milder by sending love now... not fear. Your connection is deeper than that. Because what comes from the heart transcends; it bends and warps the space-time dimension... just like gravity. There are no barriers that can stop a message like that.

Andrew Price3 said:If I can tell you one thing... she is moving into a realm that will make these final, inhumane moments seem utterly insignificant. In fact, her transition "there" will be even more magnificent and divine precisely because of how uncomfortable and undeserved the conditions here have been.
Don't be afraid. Where the soul goes, there is healing and revitalization. And they stay in touch—whether through dreams, or those spontaneous moments when you think of them for no reason and suddenly feel a surge of encouragement, safety, or comfort right when you need it. Or perhaps through a silent, imagined dialogue (which isn't actually imagined, but is very real, though the brain perceives it as fantasy or madness because it's programmed not to believe in conversations with the soul... only the heart knows better), or even an actual dialogue. Place your hands over your heart and speak to it. Believe me, their heart will hear. Make their discomfort milder by sending love now... not fear. Your connection is deeper than that. Because what comes from the heart transcends; it bends and warps the space-time dimension... just like gravity. There are no barriers that can stop a message like that.

.. place your palms against your heart, and speak to his. Anytime, anywhere.

@Andrew Price3

The Psychology subforum—much like the actual scientific discipline itself—bears absolutely zero connection to your endless ramblings.
Why not take your little threads "down a notch" over on the Alternative or Fringe Science boards? Stop trolling this space.
I honestly can't bring myself to read or participate in this forum anymore because of you illiterate, self-proclaimed healers, armchair psychoanalysts, and the whole lot of you. You even had the audacity to get my 80-year-old mother worked up on some late-night astrology talk show, making her $48 just to ask about her son's health.

Go on then, go find some manual labor, plant some corn, volunteer somewhere, or actually help people without all this esoteric nonsense.

Stop trying to sell us smoke and mirrors; we see right through you.

My apologies if my posts have been frustrating to read. Be well.
I'll try to be more "civil," but I felt compelled to respond to that individual in that specific manner.

Oh, sure, you’ve clearly transcended all ego, frustration, and depression. You’re just perfectly zen, basking in the sunlight and living that macrobiotic lifestyle while the rest of us miserable souls are grinding away at work, losing our minds over corporate managers, and searching desperately for some magic trick or piece of advice to help ourselves, let alone anyone else.
We’re pulling ten-hour shifts, coming home absolutely drained, and quite frankly, we don't have the mental bandwidth to sit around contemplating spiritual battles or enlightenment.

It’s easy to reach "enlightenment" when you spend your life being idle and lethargic—you probably weigh barely 110 pounds at 6'3", leaving your entire nervous system in standby mode. But hey, why bother with actual effort when you can just fleece people for money to sell them colloidal silver and other nonsense?

Forgive me if I don't belong to that circle of idiots and charlatans—or rather, those modern-day pickpockets who find such sophisticated ways to swindle the last cent out of hardworking Americans.

Andrew Price3 ...honestly, I’m convinced we’re living in the Matrix. Just look at this pathetic excuse for reality and peep what people actually post about online. It’s just endless loops of daily grind bullshit—bosses breathing down your neck, a sick parent, a sister losing her mind, some guy cheating on his girlfriend... just shopping, kids being bratty, constant sarcasm and irony... all while people spread gossip and malice just to get ahead. Sure, you gotta work and make a buck, but I don't see the point because I know we're stuck in this simulation, this total void. I know there’s a different world out there somewhere. Look around you—really look. What do you actually see? It’s just makeup, materialism, mindless gossip, flashy TV commercials, and a bunch of drama queens and kings. It makes me want to weep... it's all a scam, from the banks to the predatory loans. what the fuck is all that?? I used to be right there in the thick of it myself, and at the end of the day, all you've got left is either a hollow skeleton or your soul. And yeah, esoteric stuff is just as real as colloidal silver cures or the Zeitgeist world we're living in. Aliens are real, my dear friends, but not everyone is one of them.

Andrew Price3 said:If I can tell you one thing... she is moving into a realm that will make these final, inhumane moments seem utterly insignificant. In fact, her transition "there" will be even more magnificent and divine precisely because of how uncomfortable and undeserved the conditions here have been.
Don't be afraid. Where the soul goes, there is healing and revitalization. And they stay in touch—whether through dreams, or those spontaneous moments when you think of them for no reason and suddenly feel a surge of encouragement, safety, or comfort right when you need it. Or perhaps through a silent, imagined dialogue (which isn't actually imagined, but is very real, though the brain perceives it as fantasy or madness because it's programmed not to believe in conversations with the soul... only the heart knows better), or even an actual dialogue. Place your hands over your heart and speak to it. Believe me, their heart will hear. Make their discomfort milder by sending love now... not fear. Your connection is deeper than that. Because what comes from the heart transcends; it bends and warps the space-time dimension... just like gravity. There are no barriers that can stop a message like that.

Hope you're right. But... if you aren't, then in this case, death is a blessing. Best/worst part is she chose this. Consciously. Fully aware. She turned down everything that might have extended her life (one thing was an amputation)... and the doctors are pissed at her for it, treating her like a criminal. They're basically like, "Fine, when the pain gets too much, you'll come begging us to cut the leg off." Yeah, right. Zero empathy, zero humanity, zero morals. Exceptions exist, I guess. Now I'm more scared for her life than her death. Even though selfishly I just want her breathing under this same sky, knowing she's *here*... I still can't look at her like this.
I've been wrestling with faith and whatever happens after death for years. You believe. (Jealous of you). My logical brain tells me an afterlife isn't possible.
I think people hunt for a million reasons and proofs just because they can't stomach the fact that one day, they won't exist. Period. Why is ego so bad at accepting its own end? Personally, I find it impossible to wrap my head around—this reality where one second they're here, and the next, they're gone.
I'm with you on everything you wrote about love coming from the heart. I'm sure we're all connected on that level, but maybe only while we're alive.
Thanks for the support.

Nicole Morgan5 said:Oh, sure, you’ve clearly transcended all ego, frustration, and depression. You’re just perfectly zen, basking in the sunlight and living that macrobiotic lifestyle while the rest of us miserable souls are grinding away at work, losing our minds over corporate managers, and searching desperately for some magic trick or piece of advice to help ourselves, let alone anyone else.
We’re pulling ten-hour shifts, coming home absolutely drained, and quite frankly, we don't have the mental bandwidth to sit around contemplating spiritual battles or enlightenment.

It’s easy to reach "enlightenment" when you spend your life being idle and lethargic—you probably weigh barely 110 pounds at 6'3", leaving your entire nervous system in standby mode. But hey, why bother with actual effort when you can just fleece people for money to sell them colloidal silver and other nonsense?

Forgive me if I don't belong to that circle of idiots and charlatans—or rather, those modern-day pickpockets who find such sophisticated ways to swindle the last cent out of hardworking Americans.

I see your struggle. You aren't pathetic. Don't describe your life using those words. You don't need that... on top of everything else.
That isn't how you should define yourself. You're a good person; you give your all, and I'm sure you do it well. You're a warrior. You strive, you contribute, you sacrifice... and how does the system pay us back? Rarely fairly. But I believe you aren't anything like the people trying to exploit you. You carry your weight... more honestly than this world will ever acknowledge.
You see the chaos around us, you realize how messed up things are... and you know they could be better. But can they? I wonder that myself. My gut tells me they can. And nowadays, that's about as good a guarantee as you'll get.

I am not part of the group you mentioned. Believe it or not, I am in your camp. Mud, shovels, and sweat. But I always find the time to speak from the heart and settle my own frustrations. I stopped overthinking things... and that applies to others too. Keep it simple, nice and lovely... as I would say.

ambercrane722 said:Andrew Price3 ...honestly, I’m convinced we’re living in the Matrix. Just look at this pathetic excuse for reality and peep what people actually post about online. It’s just endless loops of daily grind bullshit—bosses breathing down your neck, a sick parent, a sister losing her mind, some guy cheating on his girlfriend... just shopping, kids being bratty, constant sarcasm and irony... all while people spread gossip and malice just to get ahead. Sure, you gotta work and make a buck, but I don't see the point because I know we're stuck in this simulation, this total void. I know there’s a different world out there somewhere. Look around you—really look. What do you actually see? It’s just makeup, materialism, mindless gossip, flashy TV commercials, and a bunch of drama queens and kings. It makes me want to weep... it's all a scam, from the banks to the predatory loans. what the fuck is all that?? I used to be right there in the thick of it myself, and at the end of the day, all you've got left is either a hollow skeleton or your soul. And yeah, esoteric stuff is just as real as colloidal silver cures or the Zeitgeist world we're living in. Aliens are real, my dear friends, but not everyone is one of them.

Honestly, what do I see? I see tears frozen in eyes. I see screams muffled by the strength of character. I see kindness buried under survival instincts. I see hearts wounded by the cold sting of disappointment. I see a world that desperately needs compassion, understanding, and someone willing to listen. How can we reach a better system, or better relationships between people, if not through the one thing we lack most—the very reason the world is the way it is? Love. Not technology that provides free energy, not crime prevention, not organic food or medical care... but love and the improvement of human connection. Because from that foundation, technology, medicine, and security can actually be realized.

Through that kind of consciousness... even just one person is enough to make the Matrix tremble.

darkcanyon10 said:Hope you're right. But... if you aren't, then in this case, death is a blessing. Best/worst part is she chose this. Consciously. Fully aware. She turned down everything that might have extended her life (one thing was an amputation)... and the doctors are pissed at her for it, treating her like a criminal. They're basically like, "Fine, when the pain gets too much, you'll come begging us to cut the leg off." Yeah, right. Zero empathy, zero humanity, zero morals. Exceptions exist, I guess. Now I'm more scared for her life than her death. Even though selfishly I just want her breathing under this same sky, knowing she's *here*... I still can't look at her like this.
I've been wrestling with faith and whatever happens after death for years. You believe. (Jealous of you). My logical brain tells me an afterlife isn't possible.
I think people hunt for a million reasons and proofs just because they can't stomach the fact that one day, they won't exist. Period. Why is ego so bad at accepting its own end? Personally, I find it impossible to wrap my head around—this reality where one second they're here, and the next, they're gone.
I'm with you on everything you wrote about love coming from the heart. I'm sure we're all connected on that level, but maybe only while we're alive.
Thanks for the support.

It’s a paradox; death is life's most profound experience.
Maybe on some level, she feels that. Perhaps that fragile sensation is the very comfort nudging her to let go. She knows—I believe she knows consciously—that the end has arrived. She has found peace. And there is beauty in that... it's almost sacred. The soul understands far more than human intellect or logic ever could. Much more, Mickeys. In life's final moments, the soul is at its most active. Just as it is at our beginning, when we are infants. It knows death isn't the end; that's why there is this illogical acceptance. Why would anyone willingly embrace an eternal end?
They wouldn't.. they wouldn't..
Because life isn't that wretched. Let's not reduce the miracle of existence to mere fear and the logic of a brain that only knows what society taught it.

It breaks my heart to see them treating her so callously. They don't understand... and there isn't much we can do to change how those doctors perceive their work. It’s a difficult thing to shift.
But she will endure this. Believe me, the pain you feel for her isn't nearly as intense as what she is facing herself. She is braver and stronger now than she has ever been. She has this beautiful radiance. May she be blessed. In these moments, she deserves every kind word, every thought, and every prayer. So let it be.. with love.

Natural, raw, undeniable, and absolutely vital to our current existence ["GRAPHIC CONTENT! {the truth}"].........
No matter how much it doesn't "fit" into this reality... the moderator of this specific time and space..
Probably the only ultimate truth that exists in, through, beside, and above... everything.
If people actually respected it more, instead of being terrified, avoiding it, or denying it.. maybe things would look a little different..
Or maybe not.. maybe we’d just be a bit more true to our "animalistic" nature [perceptions, consciousness..]..
Self-sufficiency, self-reliance, pure ego.......