Just a little story...

So, I was talking to someone who ended up crashing at a friend's place on a whim.

".....If I hadn't been coming home so late, my friend M. wouldn't have suggested I just stay over... but since I had to be out in that part of town early the next morning, I figured why not? I’ve known M. for over a decade; we're close friends, and she’s a totally normal, wonderful person. I turned in and tossed around in bed for a bit... then I drifted off. And that’s when it started.

It wasn't just a dream... it was an assault. This repulsive old man was attacking me, trying to rape me... the worst part was that I was physically free—nothing was actually binding me—but I felt completely paralyzed in this disgusting way. Just knowing I was in that position... it made everything feel so much more intense. The most unbearable part was the thought that he owned me. Not just through the act itself, but because I was entirely under his influence. He just sat there laughing, silent, soaking in every second while I felt this surge of pure rage at myself for letting it happen. But what truly haunted me was that sense of helplessness—it was more than just physical helplessness—that stayed stuck in my soul. I jolted awake, absolutely revolted by the vision. I spent the rest of the night drifting in and out of sleep, terrified that I’d fall right back into that same nightmare...
The next morning, while grabbing coffee with M., I told her about the dream while I was still reeling from it. Then, M. confessed that she had been raped when she was a little girl (I knew she had gone through something, but it slipped my mind in the moment), and said there is nothing in this world she fears more than sexual assault. It turns out, I had slept in the exact spot where M. usually sleeps.

What do you all think? Was it some kind of astral attack... or maybe just a lingering fear that concentrated in that specific space, which she then picked up on and manifested like that?????😉

...man, that was JUST a dream, don't go overthinking things too much 😉...

Ugh, I once had this nightmare where I was hooking up with some drunk guy, and he actually threw up all over me mid-sex. Gross. 😳

Nemruth Dag said:So, what do you think it actually is? An astral attack... or just fear that somehow concentrated in one spot, which she picked up and then manifested internally like that? 😉

I’m thinking it’s both.
Only, I don't buy that she "picked up" the fear—it's more likely she developed it because of that assault she went through.
And you—you basically stumbled right into the headspace she created.

Basically, there's this entity (looking like some creepy old man) that's clearly trapped and feeds on fear; it sensed her trauma and used it to manifest in her dreams like that. You just happened to drift into that specific slice of the astral plane.

It's a sign for her—and maybe for you, too—that you both need to toughen up, spiritually and mentally.

p.s. Dreams show you exactly who you are and how you're doing, regardless of the persona you try to project.
So yeah, dreams are useful tools in that sense.

The places where we spend our lives can actually soak up a person's "vibe"—it's a real thing. For instance, back when we bought a little plot of land out in a small rural town, there was this old, weathered house nearby where an elderly woman used to live. Because she had been born out of wedlock, the local community basically shunned her, forcing her into a sort of lifelong, self-imposed isolation. She eventually passed away right there in that house, all alone... Now, I’ve always been pretty sensitive to these kinds of energies, and the moment I stepped inside that house, I felt this overwhelming sense of unease. I couldn't stay in there for more than ten minutes without feeling incredibly uncomfortable. There was no way I was ever sleeping in that place—it was as if her entire life story had just seeped into the very walls.

...which is the kicker, because I didn't know a single thing about that woman's history when I first walked through the door.

So, it’s entirely possible that she essentially imprinted her own fears onto that sleeping space, and that heavy energy somehow bled into her friend's dreams during sleep.

masterblaster said:Ugh. I once had this dream where I was hooking up with some drunk guy, and he actually threw up all over me right in the middle of sex. Gross. 😳

Now that's what I call a *wet* dream... 😛 😉

hollowviper72 said:So basically, she could've just soaked the whole bedroom in her own anxiety—making the vibe so heavy that it bled into her friend's dreams too.

I'm with you on that.

Nemruth Dag said:Here is what someone told me—they ended up crashing at a friend's place just because of the circumstances.

".....If I hadn't been getting home so late, M. wouldn't have suggested I stay over..but I turned it down at first, then finally agreed since I had to be in that part of town early anyway. I've known M. for over ten years; we're friends and she's a totally normal person.......I lay down, tossed around in bed for a bit...then fell asleep. And that's when it started.

A dream that was more than just a dream...this old man, looking absolutely repulsive, was attacking me and trying to rape me.....the worst part was that I was physically free—not tied down by anything—yet I felt completely paralyzed in this disgusting way.....just knowing I was in that position...it only made everything worse....the absolute worst part was the thought that he possessed me, not through the act itself, but that I was entirely under his influence. The old man just laughed without saying a word...he was enjoying all of it, while inside me, a feeling grew—not fear, but pure rage that I had allowed this to happen....but what horrified me most was that sense of helplessness, which was more than physical helplessness that stayed with me......I woke up suddenly, revolted by the dream. I spent the rest of the night drifting in and out of sleep.....barely making it to morning, terrified I'd have the same dream again....
The next morning, while having coffee with M., I told her about the dream while still shaken from the experience. M. then told me that she had been raped when she was little (I knew that, but it slipped my mind) and that there is nothing in the world she fears more than sexual assault. I had slept in the exact spot where M. usually sleeps."

So, what do you think? An astral attack.......or just fear that subconsciously concentrated in one specific space, which she picked up on and which manifested within her like that?????😉

That isn't just some random dream; it's an astral dimension thing. Energy. Things in our environment "remember" the energy of their owners. And fears are energy, just like love.

This is my own story

A Story of New York 1940. One day before Christmas, my dad was away at war.
My mom and I were alone in our apartment, though I honestly can't remember where she was at that exact moment. I was home by myself, and Mom was nowhere to be found. Back then, everything felt upside down; nobody knew who was in charge or how things would work out. I hadn't seen my mom for several days. The apartment was freezing, and we didn't have anything to start a fire with. Besides being cold, I was starving, so I just crawled into bed. My godfather lived nearby, but Mom had strictly forbidden me from going over there alone. I was only in first grade School, so
that means I was about 6 years old at the time. Eventually, I woke up,
feeling my mom for hair grab me and pull me out of bed.
I don't even know what she was yelling at me today; she just kicked me out. She told me not to come back until I could find some wood to Spored for the stove.
I was shivering from the cold. I walked slowly down the street, crying as I made my way along Broz street. Suddenly, I heard someone speak to me. "Why are you crying, Small places? Is it because you aren't allowed home?"
Before I could even find wood for the Sprohet, some young Man took me by the hand. He told me to walk calmly, saying they would find something. A few House away, there was a wooden plot, which he simply broke apart and carried those boards back to our house.
Mom wanted to thank him, but this Mercer simply left. The next day was Christmas, and Mom sent me over to the godfather's place to say Merry Christmas. When I arrived at the House where we had handled that plot tear, I couldn't believe my eyes.
That wooden plot was right back in its place. I wasn't confused, though, because it was the only House on our street with a wooden plot.
"That night was Jesus," I told Mom, but she just called me a fool. I still think about this event constantly.

Greetings, hollowraven53

P.S. Please excuse my Sin in Grammar

Maud, what a beautiful story.

🙂 🙂 🙂

I'm glad you enjoyed my story

But honestly, this is the story of my life—I’ve spent 60 years living in Germany and I still haven't quite finished telling it.
That’s why I’m trying to post here on the World Economic Forum; it's my way of seeing if I can still get a handle on my native American tongue.

Best, hollowraven53

Gaudrath: A space where someone spends a lot of time can actually pick up on their "vibe"...

Exactly.
This concept was actually explored in a book years ago, complete with an explanation of how it works.

Here is a partial excerpt from that text:
"... But here is another surprise.
• The atoms that make up H2O particles—like those forming ice—are NOT IDENTICAL; they differ in character from the atoms in H2O particles that form clouds, water vapor, liquid water, or standing water...
Sure, the number of vibrations in the BEING state of inorganic atoms in all these different bodies of water is the SAME, but the number of vibrations in the VAN state of those particles changes. (fig. 4)
To me, it makes sense that atoms forming something solid (even if they belong to the SAME family) CANNOT be COMPLETELY identical to the atoms forming something liquid or gaseous.
Therefore, we can conclude that the atoms found in liquid water are NOT IDENTICAL; they DIFFER from the atoms found in standing water.
Essentially, over time, the atoms in standing water will CHANGE their character value in the VAN state, and through this shift in character, healthy standing water will become SICK standing water.
This is one reason why people who spend extended periods near "contaminated" wastewater experience health issues.
Over time, as the number of vibrations in the VAN state of the atoms forming the WASTEWATER changes, the character of that body of water shifts, turning it into "sick" water.
The vibrations emitted by this "sick wastewater" will affect specific atoms and cells already "built into" the bodies of people staying near it, causing those atoms and cells to change their vibration count outside of their BEING state.
Naturally, this eventually leads to a change in character within certain parts of those people's bodies.
In short, a healthy person becomes a sick person.

I previously mentioned the atoms in water, but this same law regarding the change in vibrations in the VAN state applies to EVERYTHING—all atoms and cells in the cosmos.
Because of this, I would argue that former prisons or hospitals that have been converted into apartment buildings "fatal" to the health of those living there long-term.
Specifically, the atoms "embedded" in the walls of a prison or hospital will, after a certain amount of time, change their "HEALTHY Character" in the VAN state and ADOPT a "character of pain and dying."
Eventually, the atoms and cells "embedded" in the people who move into these renovated buildings will adopt that same character.
So, by changing vibrations, healthy atoms and healthy cells can become sick atoms and sick cells, even though they remain the SAME type of atom or cell.

Believe it or not, the changes in vibrations occurring in the VAN state of the atoms and cells within the human body are the MAIN CAUSE of people falling ill.
Fortunately for humans (and other living things), all atoms and cells do not change their vibration count outside of their BEING state all at once, except in extreme cases..."

Hey there, buddy

For the first time in my life, I actually feel bad that I'm unable to
wrap my head around your text.
What’s even more frustrating is that I’m genuinely interested in your Thema, yet I just can't follow it. My English isn't great, and there are so many words here that fly right over my head. I'm sorry about that, but I suppose at 70 years old, one can't expect to learn everything easily anymore.
Anyway, thanks for your Beitrg; I did manage to catch a few bits of it.

Best, hollowraven53

Maud: For the first time in my life, I actually feel bad that I can't quite wrap my head around your text.

Maud,

How could you possibly "kick me to the curb" (considering you're older than me by exactly 13 months and 10 days)? Especially knowing we lived in the same city at the same time—Washington, D.C.—and now we're practically neighbors, since I'm living in the Netherlands, 5.0 miles just outside of Pittsburgh. To be honest, I'll tell you straight: even people much younger than us couldn't make sense of what you wrote.
Even modern scientists haven't come close to grasping how vibrations manifest within the very essence of inorganic and organic matter, as well as outside of it; within the particles themselves.

It’s precisely that "vibrational power of particles" (including the cells built into our bodies) that allows someone to experience what you did—that "encounter" with Jesus.

As for the concept of being "within" or "outside" of something, I think there are very few people on this planet who can offer a SIMPLE and truly UNDERSTANDABLE explanation of those terms.

Anyway, if you want me to give you a concise breakdown of certain parts of my text, just ask. I'd be happy to explain.

Hey there, my friend,

I’ve been reading through your posts, and I have to admit, I’m struggling to wrap my head around everything you're saying.

When I left Washington, D.C., I was only ten years old—that was back in
1944. To put that in perspective, I've spent the last 60 years living here in Germany.
I really should be thanking John Doe for even attempting to break down your thoughts for me.
But honestly, if I were going to fully grasp the nuances of what you're posting,
it probably would have been easier if it were written in German. I am glad that we are close in
age, though; at least we can connect on a generational level. We actually understand the weight of what we're discussing when it comes to spirituality. About three years ago, Angels made themselves known to us, and my entire life was turned upside down. At that time, I had truly prepared myself for the end because of my illness. Then, suddenly, everything changed because of Angela Merkel. Now, I am healthy again.
I'm driving my own car and feeling just as active as I did twenty years ago. I write on the American Esoteric Forum, hoping to find people who have had similar John Doe experiences, but so far, I haven't found anyone quite like that.
The man I have lived with for the past 24 years is a Heiler and a Medium who communicates with Angels. So, whenever I have questions, he acts as the channel for answers from the Angel.
Once again, thank you so much for your kindness.

Best regards, hollowraven53

Which forum are you posting on? Could you drop the link or address here?

I'll try to get the address over to you, but if that doesn't work, just search for it on Google.

http://www.esoterikforum.at/forum/member.php?u=7415

Give my best to hollowraven53.

Maud,

Don't worry, I'll send over a snippet from my book that's been translated into German.

Do you think we still have so much left to learn about cells, atoms, or just matter itself? There’s clearly more to the story.
I’m certain about this too. Wouldn't you be?
People like to believe that humans represent nature's peak achievement, a masterpiece crafted by a higher power. Is that really how it works?

It’s a massive mistake to overlook the fact that perfection—the kind built by nature and the Creator—is found within our cells. Isn't that where the real magic happens?
Humans aren't perfect by design. After all, once nature figured out inorganic atoms, organic atoms, viruses, and cells, wouldn't it have been just as much of a challenge to shape complex living beings like us? Isn't the process itself part of the story?

And just one quick side note.
Living beings—humans included—didn't just happen by accident through the standard evolutionary theories we're taught. Instead, I see it as a process of forced mutation that unfolded from nature's own creative blueprint, guided by a Creator working through the chromosomes found in every single cell nucleus. Isn't it more likely that way?

To be honest, I’m not really interested in worrying about how certain scientists might react to everything that's been said so far. I already know exactly what some of them are going to say, right?
Science only ever finds what it’s already looking for, doesn't it?

And there will always be people who say:
Does the average person even need to know about this?

Then again, there will always be scientists who argue otherwise, won't there?
That’s just not grounded in reality.

These scientists seem to forget that back in 1866, the academic establishment in Boston laughed right in J.A.R. Newlands' face. He stood before his peers to present his discovery on how chemical properties relate to atomic mass, only to be met with ridicule. History has a funny way of repeating itself, doesn't it?
Back then, they claimed it had nothing to do with reality. Right?
Newlands was so shaken by his findings that he actually held back from publishing them. It’s a shame, really. Because he stayed quiet, he ended up stuck in the shadow of Dmitri Mendeleev, who went on to join the ranks of the most legendary scientists in history after perfecting the periodic table.

Yeah, there’s this new scientific theory claiming Newlands didn't fully grasp the material regarding his periodic table. Honestly? It feels like nothing more than a convenient excuse for modern scientists to cover for the researchers back in 1866. Isn't that just how they do things?

***

At the end of the day, modern science still has a long way to go before it can truly grasp the infinite nature of our universe. Don't you think?
Modern science has to face the facts: nobody has actually managed to wrap their head around the true essence of the infinite universe yet. Have we really come that far?
Or maybe it’s even simpler: nobody has truly grasped the essence of eternal passing until now. Or have they?
That’s exactly why science still hasn't figured out how everything actually began. Isn't that wild?
Once she truly grasps how everything began, won't all those mysteries suddenly feel like common knowledge overnight?

Since science hasn't quite cracked the code on how everything began, maybe they just haven't realized that the tiniest particles in both organic and inorganic matter actually possess multiple natures. Could that be it?

Science hasn't quite caught up yet. It turns out that multiple identical chemical elements can actually differ in their fundamental essence—meaning they aren't truly "the same," even if they look that way on the surface. Isn't that interesting?
Think about it this way: you have water that’s fundamentally inorganic, and then you have water that essentially behaves like organic matter. Isn't that a fascinating distinction?
At the end of the day, both versions still result in the water we know and use every day. Doesn't that make sense?
It seems to us like both waters are exactly the same.
I’ve mentioned this before, but modern science still hasn't quite grasped the true essence of the smallest inorganic and organic particles that make up our matter. Haven't we still only scratched the surface?
That’s exactly why people are getting sicker all the time.
Just look at the overflowing hospitals across the country and the endless news reports about cancer, AIDS, and other chronic illnesses.

***

Unfortunately, you can't just "run away" from disease.
Why is that?
It’s simple: humans are made of cells.
This realization might sound strange if you didn't consider that viruses
(many scientists agree with this, and so do I) are essentially a precursor to life—existing in that gray area between living and non-living matter.
In this view, cells are actually a HIGHER FORM of viruses.
And that leads us to a logical conclusion.
If cells are a HIGHER FORM of viruses, then it stands to reason that these highly organized cellular units evolved from viruses themselves.

Mainstream science claims that healthy cells don't contain any viruses.
I don't necessarily disagree, but are they truly undetectable?
I ask because if cells evolved from viruses, those viral traces must still be present within the cells.
How?

Because the cells contain viral "imprints" embedded deep within their very essence.
...

Today's researchers claim they know almost everything there is to know about cells.

But do they really?

* Do they understand the original blueprint or archetype from which cells emerged?
(In my view, they can't, because they don't grasp how the fundamental substance of creation first formed. It would have taken ages to establish the conditions for:
1. The energetic form of the cosmos, followed by
2. The material cosmos).

• Do they know what actually "triggers" a cell to divide?
(They don't, even though they could if they had embraced the theories of botanist G. Heberlandt and scientist A.G. Gurvic. If they had, they wouldn't be looking for replication patterns inside the cell, but outside of it.)

• Are they aware that cells connected to one organ via an endocrine gland differ from cells connected to a different organ through another gland?
(Those who aren't aware of this might have learned it from the work of Dr. Günter Blobel, the 1999 Nobel Prize winner in Medicine.
Incidentally, Dr. Blobel's work supports my idea that every indivisible particle of matter—whether in a nucleus or outside of it—carries specific IMPRINTS. These are pressed into both the essence and the exterior of cells, giving atoms and cells their fundamental significance.)

It is precisely because scientists fail to realize that these IMPRINTS exist within every atom and cell that they can't answer the question: "Why did AIDS emerge in the first place?"

The emergence of AIDS actually validates my theory regarding the viral imprints left within human cells.
When the first cases appeared in Africa around 1970, it wasn't an external HIV virus attacking from the outside; the reaction was happening INSIDE the cells.

This principle is supported by the following information.

It is highly probable that humanity has faced this devastating disease before.
We can see evidence of this in ancient records suggesting the Mayans were aware of the HIV virus over 1,700 years ago.
For instance, in the Borgia Codex (from a noble lineage in Spain), which preserves the legacy of...
Maya, it’s actually showing an image of that virus. (Image 8)..."

Here you go—this translation from the book CRYSTALS is my little gift to Maud.

Exactly!
I don't think it's right to post in German when not everyone here speaks it. Shouldn't we stick to English?
So, here’s the English version.

Trust me, we still have so much to learn about cells—and even atoms. There’s just so much left to uncover about matter itself, don't you think?
I agree with this one too.
People tend to view humanity as this peak of perfection, a masterpiece crafted by Nature and designed by the Creator. Don't they?
It’s a huge mistake to overlook them, isn't it? After all, cells are the ultimate expression of perfection, designed by nature and the Creator alike.
Humans aren't meant to be perfect. Once nature mastered inorganic atoms, organic molecules, viruses, and cells, wasn't the jump to living beings—and eventually us—just the next logical step?

One more quick thought on the side:
Living beings, humans included, didn't just happen by chance like evolution theories suggest. Instead, they emerged through forced mutations driven by Nature's own creative vision—an active process where a Creator works directly on the chromosomes within every single cell nucleus. Wouldn't that make more sense?

Honestly, I don't see much point in guessing how the scientific community will react to everything we've heard so far. I already know some researchers are going to claim:
Science mostly consists of things we already knew. Isn't that just how it goes?

There will probably be some folks who argue that:
Do "everyday people" really need to know this at all?

I bet there will be some "experts" out there claiming:
This just isn't grounded in reality.

Most of these "scientists" don't even realize that their own peers mocked J.A.R. Newlands back in 1866. He stood before the Chemical Society in London to present his discovery on how elemental properties relate to atomic weight, only to be ridiculed by the establishment. Isn't it funny how history repeats itself?
So, they basically claimed his discovery had nothing to do with reality. Does anyone actually buy that?
Newlands was hit so hard by the backlash that he never even published his findings. How does someone end up living in the shadow of a legend like Dmitri Mendeleev? It’s wild how one guy can define the Periodic Table forever while another just fades away.
Yeah, there’s this new scientific theory claiming Newlands didn't fully flesh out his work on the periodic table. Honestly? It just feels like modern scientists making excuses for the guys back in 1866.
At the end of the day, modern science still has a long way to go before it truly grasps the infinite. Doesn't it?

Modern science has to admit that we still haven't truly tapped into the essence of infinite nature. Have we even scratched the surface?
Or better yet. It seems nobody has actually grasped the true essence of the eternal flow of transience.

That’s exactly why science still hasn't provided a clear explanation for how everything actually began. Isn't it interesting?
Once we finally grasp how everything truly began, won't countless mysteries just vanish overnight?

Science hasn't fully explained how everything actually began, so how could it possibly have uncovered the multi-dimensional nature of subatomic particles in both organic and inorganic matter?

Take science, for instance. It hasn't quite grasped how many of the exact same chemical elements actually differ in their very essence. How can they be different if they look identical to us?
Think about it this way: you can have water that’s essentially inorganic at its core, just like there's water that carries an organic essence. Isn't that interesting?
In the end, both paths lead us to the same familiar destination. Don't they?
It feels like we’re just looking at two sides of the same coin, doesn't it?

I’ve always maintained that modern science still hasn't truly grasped the fundamental essence of the smallest organic and inorganic particles. Haven't we still only scratched the surface?
That’s exactly why everyone is getting sicker these days. Isn't it?
They’re showing hospitals overflowing everywhere, along with reports on cancer, AIDS, and all sorts of other illnesses. Is anyone actually surprised?
…

Unfortunately, you can't really outrun illness.
Why is that?
It’s pretty simple, really—it all comes down to the fact that we’re just made of cells.
This conclusion would be pretty hilarious if we didn't know that viruses are actually a pre-life form. According to many scientists—and my own research—they sit right on that thin line between living things and inanimate matter. Isn't that fascinating?
So, cells are basically just a more advanced version of the virus?
This realization leads us to a certain conclusion.
If cells are actually a HIGHER FORM of virus, then it stands to reason that these highly organized elementary units evolved from viruses themselves.

Mainstream science claims you won't find viruses inside healthy cells.
I agree they say that, but can we really be sure?
I’m asking because if cells did evolve from viruses, those viruses should still leave their mark within the cell.
How so?
They exist as viral "memory imprints" embedded deep within the very essence of the cell.
...

Today's scientists claim to know so much about cells.
But do they really?
* Do they truly understand how cells were formed or what archetype they were modeled after?
(In my view, they can't know this because they haven't grasped how the primordial Substance itself emerged—a process that required vast amounts of time to create the conditions for:
1. The energetic form of the cosmos, followed by
2. The material cosmos).

* Do they know what actually "drives" cells to multiply through division?
(They don't, though they might have if they had embraced the theories of German botanist G. Heberlandt or American scientist A.G. Gurvits—whose work suggests that the triggers for cell multiplication lie outside the cell rather than within it).

* Are they aware that cells "tied" to one organ or endocrine gland differ fundamentally from those tied to another?
(If they hadn't realized this already, they could have deduced it from the doctrine of Dr. Günter Blobel, the 1999 Nobel Prize winner.
In fact, Dr. Blobel essentially confirmed my idea: that within every indivisible particle of matter—whether in an atomic nucleus or a cellular one—there are specific IMPRINTS pressed into both the essence and the exterior of that particle, making atoms and cells inherently "Higher-Being."

It is precisely because scientists ignore these imprinted traces within every particle and nucleus that they can't answer a crucial question: How did AIDS reappear on Earth?

The emergence of AIDS actually supports my theory that viral IMPRINTS are embedded within the cells of the human body.
When the first patient fell ill somewhere in Africa around the 1970s, it wasn't caused by an external HIV virus attacking the cells; rather, the virus manifested from WITHIN the cells themselves.

[This internal virus was "awakened" by a specific electromagnetic wave whose frequency perfectly matched the frequency of the "dormant" HIV viruses already residing in the patient's cells.]

This premise is supported by the following information.
It seems humans have dealt with this devastating disease before.
We can conclude this from an ancient document showing that the Mayans were aware of the HIV virus over 1,700 years ago.
Specifically, the Borgia Codex (from a Spanish noble family) preserves a Mayan depiction of this very virus. (Image 8)

Jamie Cox48 said:So, get this—there’s this theory floating around that the whole mess started because a specific electromagnetic wave frequency basically "woke up" the virus from deep inside the cells. We're talking about a frequency that perfectly matched the signature of those dormant, sleeping HIV strands just sitting there in the patient's cells. It’s like someone hit a remote control and suddenly all those inactive viruses were wide awake and causing havoc. Crazy, right?

What do you actually think—or better yet, what do you *know*—about where that EM wave is even coming from?
Is it actually possible to trigger some other kind of virus by blasting different EM frequencies? Like, could you basically "wake up" something else that’s already lying around there? 🙂