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Megathread: PNNK & ŽNKT (Warning: 18+) - The psychology and impact of profanity among Americans

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Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
People always say you shouldn't bottle up your feelings, but I guess that begs the question—where do we actually draw the line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CukIPycF3.7 miles

Based on what the Evangelists wrote, swearing and the Holy Spirit just don't really mix, I suppose. ☕

What’s the consensus here? Any experts or just regular folks have thoughts? 🙂
Karen Booth3 Karen Booth3 Newcomer
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#2 ·
I honestly just can't stand hypocrites who go around swearing by "God, Jesus, Muhammad, Mom, their sister, their father," or any other family member. It’s just all of it. They act like such devout believers when Ramadan or Christmas rolls around, putting on this massive show of how righteous they are, even though they were probably cursing at God or someone's late father just the day before. As for me, I do swear, but it's purely out of habit—usually things like "Goddammit" or "Son of a bitch" when I'm frustrated. I would never dream of swearing at my family, and I certainly don't do it in front of other people. It's mostly just something I mutter to myself while I'm working on the website. I suppose it's just become a reflex at this point...
Thomas Garcia71 Thomas Garcia71 Member
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#3 ·
Sometimes I just slip up and let one fly... and honestly, it’s not even a big deal
lol... anyway, I try really hard not to use religious stuff or swear by God or any higher powers when I'm venting, which makes sense since faith isn't really my thing—I'm more on the agnostic side of things. Plus, in my circle of friends, we don't really go after the heavy stuff either, just standard vulgarities and that kind of thing 🙂. I don't think it's such a huge issue if you just snap and say something in the heat of the moment, but it starts getting annoying when people start using profanity just because they lack the actual vocabulary to express themselves... that's what really bugs me.
Richard Kim10 Richard Kim10 Newcomer
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#4 ·
I refrain from profanity; I never use it.
In my social circles, at my workplace, and within my own home, such language is non-existent.
Growing up, my father used coarse language, but my mom never did. Profanity is inherently unsightly and lacks basic decorum.
Having lived in the States for over twenty years, I have never encountered the kind of vulgarity one might hear among certain groups back home... It seems to me that swearing is, in most instances, a behavior passed down from parents to their children. My mom would discipline my siblings and me whenever we dared to repeat our father's outbursts, and for that, I am grateful. Naturally, the environment one inhabits also plays a role; if a community tolerates foul language, it contributes to a culture of incivility.
Why do people swear so much? Perhaps it is because they aren't truly listening to themselves, failing to reflect on what they have actually uttered or heard. Maybe they believe it makes them appear "cool," or perhaps they simply lack the vocabulary to express themselves differently—using it as a crude emotional release valve.
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP
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#5 ·
Richard Kim10 said:I refrain from profanity; I never use it.
In my social circles, at my workplace, and within my own home, such language is non-existent.
Growing up, my father used coarse language, but my mom never did. Profanity is inherently unsightly and lacks basic decorum.
Having lived in the States for over twenty years, I have never encountered the kind of vulgarity one might hear among certain groups back home... It seems to me that swearing is, in most instances, a behavior passed down from parents to their children. My mom would discipline my siblings and me whenever we dared to repeat our father's outbursts, and for that, I am grateful. Naturally, the environment one inhabits also plays a role; if a community tolerates foul language, it contributes to a culture of incivility.
Why do people swear so much? Perhaps it is because they aren't truly listening to themselves, failing to reflect on what they have actually uttered or heard. Maybe they believe it makes them appear "cool," or perhaps they simply lack the vocabulary to express themselves differently—using it as a crude emotional release valve.

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reddriver35 reddriver35 Active Member
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#6 ·
Swearing has become so normalized in today's society that it feels like we can't function without it. But let's be real: being vulgar just makes us look ignorant and crude, no matter how "edgy" people think it is 🙄.

In my view, it all comes down to habit, how you were raised, and the crowd you hang out with. I also believe we have total control over it if we actually care about the impression we leave on others.

Personally, I used to swear constantly. Eventually, I decided to change and went a long time without uttering a single curse word. But then life happened—I found myself in a situation where I had to adapt to an environment where everyone was swearing, so I loosened up again.

The bottom line? It’s controllable.

You don't have to be stiff or uptight, but you can definitely dial it back so you don't come across as a total lowlife.

As for suppressing emotions or how we express them, I don't see what swearing has to do with that. Aside from the fact that when someone really gets under my skin, I'd love to tell them exactly where they can shove it? There's always another way. Sometimes, it's better to be decent than a savage.
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#7 ·
Jeremy Alvarez5 said:People always say you shouldn't bottle up your feelings, but I guess that begs the question—where do we actually draw the line?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CukIPycF3.7 miles

Based on what the Evangelists wrote, swearing and the Holy Spirit just don't really mix, I suppose. ☕

What’s the consensus here? Any experts or just regular folks have thoughts? 🙂

To be honest, I couldn't care less about spirits, even if they were holy.
Swearing is just a facet of culture; in and of itself, it isn't inherently uncivilized.
At the end of the day, you can use a curse word to express genuine awe, whereas someone using "polite" language can be just as insulting as any sailor.
reddriver35 reddriver35 Active Member
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#8 ·
bluecyclist64 said:To be honest, I couldn't care less about spirits, even if they were holy.
Swearing is just a facet of culture; in and of itself, it isn't inherently uncivilized.
At the end of the day, you can use a curse word to express genuine awe, whereas someone using "polite" language can be just as insulting as any sailor.

Spot on. Especially that second part. 😉
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP
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#9 ·
bluecyclist64 said:To be honest, I couldn't care less about spirits, even if they were holy.
Swearing is just a facet of culture; in and of itself, it isn't inherently uncivilized.
At the end of the day, you can use a curse word to express genuine awe, whereas someone using "polite" language can be just as insulting as any sailor.

I guess what it boils down to is that a ton of people swear not because they're making a conscious "choice," but just out of habit. It’s kind of like when you hit the "T" key on a keyboard and a "T" pops up on the screen—it's just automatic. Like, say someone slams their finger in a car door and starts cursing; it's almost inevitable. As life throws more frustrating situations our way, the likelihood of someone reacting with a swear word just goes up.

Then you've got this double loss of energy, plus the distraction factor, and let's not forget being a bit inconsiderate toward others. If a person had a higher level of self-awareness, maybe some self-control or empathy, they might actually stop and think about how their behavior communicates with the world—you know, asking themselves what kind of message or impact they're having on the people around them.

Swearing, much like anything else, is pretty much neutral by itself. But once you start communicating with other people, it takes on color and perspective based on how the listener sees it. A swear word could be funny, it could be meant to provoke or push someone away, it could be friendly and show trust, etc. Or, it could just be a bad habit—just a sign that a person can't help themselves whenever things get tough or uncomfortable.

It really comes down to a person's ability to look inward and figure out where they land on that spectrum. Then there's the question of being considerate and respectful toward the people caught in those tense moments around you. And thirdly, I wonder if the energy spent on swearing might be better used for something else entirely. I suppose it all depends on how broad or narrow a person sets their goals...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#10 ·
Jeremy Alvarez5 said:I guess what it boils down to is that a ton of people swear not because they're making a conscious "choice," but just out of habit. It’s kind of like when you hit the "T" key on a keyboard and a "T" pops up on the screen—it's just automatic. Like, say someone slams their finger in a car door and starts cursing; it's almost inevitable. As life throws more frustrating situations our way, the likelihood of someone reacting with a swear word just goes up.

Then you've got this double loss of energy, plus the distraction factor, and let's not forget being a bit inconsiderate toward others. If a person had a higher level of self-awareness, maybe some self-control or empathy, they might actually stop and think about how their behavior communicates with the world—you know, asking themselves what kind of message or impact they're having on the people around them.

Swearing, much like anything else, is pretty much neutral by itself. But once you start communicating with other people, it takes on color and perspective based on how the listener sees it. A swear word could be funny, it could be meant to provoke or push someone away, it could be friendly and show trust, etc. Or, it could just be a bad habit—just a sign that a person can't help themselves whenever things get tough or uncomfortable.

It really comes down to a person's ability to look inward and figure out where they land on that spectrum. Then there's the question of being considerate and respectful toward the people caught in those tense moments around you. And thirdly, I wonder if the energy spent on swearing might be better used for something else entirely. I suppose it all depends on how broad or narrow a person sets their goals...

So, are you saying swearing is just another form of communication? That it all boils down to execution?
Man, these posts of yours are getting incredibly long, especially once you start rambling about "energy"... Sorry, but as a dialectical materialist, the mere mention of "energy" makes my skin crawl.
Thomas Davis6 Thomas Davis6 Member
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#11 ·
hm... I can go a long time without swearing, but then someone pushes my buttons and I end up dropping a few choice words that are basically just part of the local vocabulary at this point.😁.
Look, you don't have to swear like a sailor, but if a curse word slips out here and there, it's not the end of the world. We're human beings, not robots, and even machines glitch sometimes (though maybe not in their programming😁)..
Then you've got those people who swear constantly and act totally crude for no reason, thinking they look cool, when really they just come off as vulgar and unrefined to everyone else..
But when someone triggers some legitimate rage in you and you snap and let a few words fly, you shouldn't judge that the same way you judge people whose entire vocabulary is built on profanity—people who toss insults around as casually as saying "good morning."
Personally, I mostly stick to stuff like "damn," "hell," or "shit"..
And as for that hypocrisy from certain "believers" who feel perfectly fine disrespecting their deity ten times a day, I agree with what was said earlier... it’s pretty pathetic, and honestly, kind of absurd..
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP
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#12 ·
bluecyclist64 said:So, are you saying swearing is just another form of communication? That it all boils down to execution?
Man, these posts of yours are getting incredibly long, especially once you start rambling about "energy"... Sorry, but as a dialectical materialist, the mere mention of "energy" makes my skin crawl.

I mean, let's be real—the way people toss around the word "energy" these days is just wild. It’s honestly getting pushed to such an extreme that the term has basically lost all its actual meaning. It feels like it's being used to sell everything under the sun at this point.

But honestly, I don't think "dialectical materialism" is really incapable of explaining that:

Think about brain scans for a second—like when you're processing a thought or just riding a wave of some specific emotion. There’s actually a physical foundation for all that stuff. It’s not just some abstract concept, you know? I mean, if Black hits someone square in the face with a punch, they’re going down unconscious. It all comes back to the biology of it. 😁 I guess the real question here is just how deep you want to dive into the weeds with all these processes. I mean, if you start looking at everything from the initial physical impact all the way down to the actual chemical reaction, it’s kind of a long road, isn't it? It takes some time to really unpack all that.

You know, when you see some believer or a total fanatic chanting mantras, they’re basically repeating an action until they’re just... "intoxicated" by it. It’s like they’re getting high on the repetition itself. I guess it actually does something to your physical body and your state of mind—kind of like that heavy, fuzzy feeling you get after you totally overindulge in a massive Thanksgiving feast. Everything in life seems to play its part, and honestly, I think everything carries its own weight. It all matters, I suppose.

I feel like swearing is just another form of communication, really. It all comes down to how much emotional distance you can actually maintain—you know, that ability to take a hit and still hold onto your cool when things get heated. It’s about reaction control, I guess. Like, if some random jerk starts screaming insults at your toddler in a Starbucks parking lot, that's one thing. But if it's just some guy cutting you off in traffic because you guys were bickering over a spot? That's different. There are so many variables at play when you're deciding how to respond; you're always subconsciously weighing who said what and why it matters.

I mean, look, if you can't really get a handle on yourself—or if you’ve just fallen into this whole cycle of bad habits where you're constantly overreacting or acting without thinking—then I guess you're just someone who misses the point entirely. Like, you won't be able to read the room. You might not even be able to tell the difference between someone dropping an F-bomb because they're actually pissed, versus when they're just messing around or using it as some kind of weird inside joke. It's all about that self-control, I suppose.

At the end of the day, if you actually cultivate certain habits, you start developing a specific kind of spirit. I mean, take the Holy Spirit—the way the Apostle Paul described it, for example—where its fruits are things like gentleness and all that. Then you have other kinds of spirits, like the ones that seem to define Greek gods such as Athens or Ares. Like, if you look at the descriptions in the Iliad or the Odyssey, there are moments where Ares just manifests through an entire crowd at once. Those are basically extreme instances of being completely overtaken by a "spirit." Since those phenomena are eternal, people call them gods, or fundamental principles. When guys like Fromm, Jung, or even Hippocrates—or maybe some fourth or fifth guy—try to build these personality typologies, they eventually touch on these extremes as factors that make up the whole sum of a person. If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, for instance, you hear people talking about the state of Christ's consciousness—that idea of being one with that spirit by embracing a set of rules. But I guess the details are what really matter. For some, that means physical suffering and stigmata, much like St. Francis or whoever else emphasized asceticism. But then you have someone else who understands the story and the corresponding spirit through their chakras, and they end up healing people instead...

I guess you could say that all the energy we burn up during an internal conflict just gets eaten away, because honestly, every single thought or mood we have comes with its own kind of cost. It’s like there's this constant search for a way to replenish that spent energy—kind of like trying to make up for the peace of mind we lost in the process. There are so many different ways people try to satisfy that hunger, too. You've got physical food, mental stimulation, various activities... just endless ways to try and fill the void. Some people end up leaning into addictions just to cope, while others? I don't know, maybe they're just built differently. There are those folks who can go for ages without much food or water at all, just surviving on sheer willpower. It’s pretty wild when you think about it.

Basically, there isn't really a divide between consciousness and matter—it’s more about being inexperienced when it comes to different states of Spirit and having this built-in aversion toward them. I guess that aversion leads straight into exploitation and mindless consumption, which basically fuels consumerism and gives people the tools to control others. It makes sense, really; if you want to control someone, peace and individual freedom are your biggest enemies. So, instead of suggesting you actually shift your state of mind or expand your consciousness, they'll just try to hand you a handful of pills, tell you to grab a Budweiser, take a vacation in Maui, or maybe even send you off to fight a war in Afghanistan...
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#13 ·
To me, material wealth doesn't carry much weight if it lacks practical utility—take a car, for instance; if it just gets you from point A to point B, that's its job and nothing more.
However, much like Wolf, I have a certain appreciation for the finer things in life: drinking, kissing, messing around, and yes, even a good bit of cursing.
That said, I rarely find myself using profanity to insult someone. In my actual day-to-day life, I'm a bit of a joker, and the people I hang out with don't take offense at my language. As for those who are easily offended? Well, I have no desire to socialize with them outside of necessary, formal interactions, where I am perfectly polite and well-mannered.
Ultimately, my work involves the study of language and thought, which leads me to believe that what people call "dirty words" are actually just part of a rich linguistic tapestry.
Jeremy Alvarez5 Jeremy Alvarez5 Active MemberOP
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#14 ·
bluecyclist64;28417069]To me, material stuff doesn't mean much if it isn't actually useful—you know, like a car just being a way to get from point A to point B and all that.
But man, just like Wolf, I love drinking, kissing, messing around—and swearing.
Though, I rarely actually insult anyone with my language.

Everyone seems so quiet these days. ☕

In real life, I'm a bit of a joker, and the people I hang out with don't mind my swearing. As for the folks who do take offense? Well, I don't really care to hang out with them anyway, unless it's for work, and then I'm super polite and well-mannered.

Honestly, screw 'em all if they're just crooks and lowlifes. 😬

Besides, my whole thing is linguistics, and I honestly think those so-called "bad words" are just part of a rich vocabulary.

Me too.

I guess it's like anything else, it's all about moderation. I remember back in the early days of Reddit, you didn't have twenty different people constantly gossiping about everything. 🙂
bluecyclist64 bluecyclist64 Regular
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#15 ·
Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

That’s their problem. ☕ (By the way, I absolutely loathe this smiley face icon; I have no idea why it exists.)

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

I certainly was at one point, but once I realized rock and roll wasn't going to pay my rent, I decided to tap the brakes a little.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:

My colleague 🙂
Well, you can't just throw profanity around and expect it to work. The old-school users here understood that, whereas plenty of pathetic garage bands thought they could just shout shit fuck damn piss and suddenly sound like Johnny Štulić.
Alex Barnes4 Alex Barnes4 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Lately, I’ve been noticing that I swear way too much, and honestly, I really want to tone it down a bit...
I make sure never to curse in front of my parents because I don't want them getting on my case, and I do the same thing with my teachers—though, if I'm being totally honest, during a quiet study period, I might mutter something under my breath about some instructor to a classmate... you know how it goes... When I'm hanging out with girls, I try my best to keep it clean, but sometimes a word just slips out, damn... but that isn't even the biggest issue. The real struggle happens when I'm in class trying to focus and someone keeps distracting me... that's just one example, but then the swearing starts, and it feels like every other word out of my mouth is some heavy profanity or an insult directed at everyone and everything... It just doesn't feel right, I guess. Or even when I'm just home by myself, talking to myself or playing some video games alone... it's like every second word becomes a curse word...
And yeah... I would never dream of cursing God, Jesus, or any of the saints...

I just don't really know how to break the habit. It's become such a reflex at this point, and I'm constantly worried that my parents or my teachers might overhear me... Can anyone give me some advice on how to stop?div>
Charles Taylor14 Charles Taylor14 Newcomer
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#17 ·
Alex Barnes4 said:Lately, I’ve been noticing that I swear way too much, and honestly, I really want to tone it down a bit...
I make sure never to curse in front of my parents because I don't want them getting on my case, and I do the same thing with my teachers—though, if I'm being totally honest, during a quiet study period, I might mutter something under my breath about some instructor to a classmate... you know how it goes... When I'm hanging out with girls, I try my best to keep it clean, but sometimes a word just slips out, damn... but that isn't even the biggest issue. The real struggle happens when I'm in class trying to focus and someone keeps distracting me... that's just one example, but then the swearing starts, and it feels like every other word out of my mouth is some heavy profanity or an insult directed at everyone and everything... It just doesn't feel right, I guess. Or even when I'm just home by myself, talking to myself or playing some video games alone... it's like every second word becomes a curse word...
And yeah... I would never dream of cursing God, Jesus, or any of the saints...

I just don't really know how to break the habit. It's become such a reflex at this point, and I'm constantly worried that my parents or my teachers might overhear me... Can anyone give me some advice on how to stop?div>

Just try chewing on something. I'd highly recommend some gum.
Lisa Lopez6 Lisa Lopez6 Member
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#18 ·
I swear I’m cursing every single day. Usually, it’s just some standard "get outta here" or whatever, but lately, things have been hitting a breaking point and I actually caught myself yelling "God Jesus!" out loud. 😲 😢 Honestly, though, venting is fine. I agree that holding onto all that rage is a dead end—it just eats you alive if you don't let it out.🤷
jaderider93 jaderider93 Newcomer
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#19 ·
I don't swear—not really. It’s not that I can’t, it’s just that I find no actual need for it. 🤷
I have certain phrases I rely on when I'm feeling frustrated, and that's where it ends. 😬
For instance: "Go away," "Get lost," or simply, "I won't." 🤣

And honestly, it works quite effectively as a way to manage my anger. 😬
wanderinghawk22 wanderinghawk22 Newcomer
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#20 ·
Every single day! It’s probably some exhaust valve or something...
I still don't get those necrophilic insults people throw around...
And I'm not really into religious topics either, even though I'm not a believer.

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