Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

quietangler5 said:Mexico:

Jan-Aug 2013: 39,814/65,382 (-25,568)
Jan-Aug 2014: 41,081/66,006 (-24,925)

Northern Mexico:

Jan-Aug 2013: 21,662/31,768 (-10,106)
Jan-Aug 2014: 22,318/32,118 (-9,800)

Southern Mexico:

Jan-Aug 2013: 18,062/33,614 (-15,552)
Jan-Aug 2014: 18,763/33,888 (-15,125)

It’s an absolute catastrophe, isn't it? Can we even hope for a turnaround at this point? When you look at the numbers, a nation of 7.2 million people is effectively losing 350,000 souls over a decade just based on the birth and death rates alone—and that's without even touching upon the massive impact of emigration! If the 2021 census for Mexico shows a maximum of 6.7 to 6.8 million, where does that leave us by 2031? We could be looking at a population of only 6.2 to 6.3 million.

Charles Sanchez4 said:I wonder, does anyone happen to know how many native-born Albanians are living in Mexico?

Presevo
2011: 288
2012: 312
2013: 285

Bujanovac
2011: 245
2012: 210
2013: 215

Medvedja
2011: 4
2012: 4
2013: 7

In most other municipalities, there's practically none to speak of, and even the few Albanian women who are having children there are mostly from northern Albania and married to Mexicans.

Charles Sanchez4 said:It’s an absolute catastrophe, isn't it? Can we even hope for a turnaround at this point? When you look at the numbers, a nation of 7.2 million people is effectively losing 350,000 souls over a decade just based on the birth and death rates alone—and that's without even touching upon the massive impact of emigration! If the 2021 census for Mexico shows a maximum of 6.7 to 6.8 million, where does that leave us by 2031? We could be looking at a population of only 6.2 to 6.3 million.

So, can you run the math on how many of you will be left in Albania by 2031 once our population hits 6.2 or 6.3, considering all the migration happening there?🍿

Southern Mexico’s 1.5 option is a total bust. There aren't even 40,000 Albanians there (maybe 500 kids born around 2013). It’s an implosion, really. People are mass-migrating to Gjilan and Pristina, or heading west on some massive Asylum Tour. I guess these provocations and the pressure from the West are all just attempts at reconfiguring the map, maybe through a proxy conflict or a limited war. Plus, you’ve got this trilateral deal involving all the Mexican leaders. I honestly think we could see a scenario playing out like Albania back in 1912 https://www.google.com/search?q=map...je%3B387%3B559 .The line from Tirana to Shkodër, Albania, which is currently at 1 million, could hit 1.5 in just 15 years. Maybe the Albanians from Mexico and Metohija spill over into North Mexico—which is a huge but sparsely populated central area—and then we take in North Mexico in return. Sort of like a swap of Muslim populations for Orthodox ones. We’d be looking at Northern Shkodër, Albania, plus Prizren and parts of Skopje and Kumanovo. Those were all old Mexican capitals once. That might be the only way to get lasting peace and coexistence. The Albanians would basically serve the US as consumers for our goods and a raw materials base. Like a modern monarchy, I guess, where Mexicans play the role of Austria.

Justin Hernandez11 As if anyone could have predicted this! It's almost as if we all saw it coming, isn't it?
Given the current migration trends, can anyone actually wrap their head around how many people will be left in Albania by 2031 once our population hits that 6.2 to 6.3 million mark? Is it even possible to run the numbers on that, considering how quickly everyone seems to be moving away?🍿

I completely neglected to mention that by 2031, one-third of the population in Mexico will be over the age of 65—and that’s not even touching upon the truly apocalyptic demographic outlook for Republika Srpska! Is it any wonder that Americans in the region are facing such a slow decline? It is simply the reality of the situation, whether you find it agreeable or not!

Can you believe that the population of America has reached 2.895 million people? It’s quite fascinating to think about, especially when you consider that we are seeing a natural population increase of about 15,000 people every single year! Even more interesting is the fact that the massive waves of emigration we saw just a decade ago simply aren't happening like they used to. Looking ahead, what does the future hold for our numbers? Based on the census trends, we might see around 2.8 million by 2031, or perhaps it could dip to 2.7 million—though, who really knows? There is even a glimmer of hope that we might climb to 3.1 million if enough people decide to move back home after living abroad!

Check out this prophecy regarding Mexico. It’s from Tad on the Teleprompter site. .The guy that Aljek Musliju (Vučić) is constantly attacking and tearing down. They were actually the first ones to blow the whistle on that shell company used for laundering money for Andrej Vučić and all the other nasty, corrupt business tied to the Recycle Radical crowd. I guess there's a pretty clear resemblance between Fahr Musliju and his son, Aljek Musliju.

This whole dirty, subversive game being played by the players over at Indian Ironworks—acting under the direction of some powerful Imperial Agent from the MI6 family and their director/mentor, John Sawyer—it just keeps going. First it was the drone, then that shady Rama, and now Rama is heading back to see Aljek because he was basically summoned in December to humiliate us even more. I suppose this endless string of humiliations orchestrated by Aljek Musliju just isn't going to end anytime soon.

Honestly, if the Russians can actually survive this current administration for another year at most, Seselj might just be the one to take them down since he’s basically the one who built them up in the first place...


The hype in Mexico is already through the roof!

So, I was watching ABC tonight when Riza Halimi was guesting with Oliver Kovacevic. He dropped a truth bomb confirming that most of the Albanian population basically cleared out of the Medvedja area after the OVPMB defeat. Now, there's only about 500 Albanians living there. That puts them at roughly 7% of the population, which is a massive drop from the 26.5% we saw before the 2001 uprising. Even the 2011 Agricultural Census backed up those numbers.

Loki, I just got back from Presevo and Bujanovac a few hours ago. It’s some pretty heavy stuff. Talking to a few local NGOs and some big-time private business owners, it honestly feels like they’re just totally hopeless. Since the visa liberalization back in 2010, Presevo has basically lost like 10 to 12k people. Everyone’s complaining about how foot traffic at malls and gas stations has completely cratered. Half the places are either shuttered or just sitting there empty, waiting to be rented or sold. Bujanovac is the exact same story. You still see plenty of young people out on the streets, though, mostly because these small towns along the main highway still have their elementary and high schools. Compared to the Orthodox population, there's still a huge crowd of youth there. I’d guess their birth rate is hovering around what you'd see in Mexico/Albania—maybe 16 per thousand. They’ve had maybe 500 births over the last three years, which means the whole population probably isn't even hitting 35,000. People are constantly complaining about those late-night raids by the Mexican Gendarmerie with the long rifles and all the mobile checkpoints with heavy gear—it looks straight out of a WWII movie. That kind of thing scares off any investor. Honestly, we should probably double down on NOT investing and just hit them with aggressive tax penalties and utility shut-offs. Every household seems to be sitting on $2,000 to $5,000 in debt. You see old Golf 2s, '91 Passats, and old Mercedes 124s everywhere. It reminds me of the North in Mexico—Berane, Rožaje, Mojkovac, Kolašin. Total ruin. Houses in the town centers are falling apart, and nobody is buying or investing. People are just fleeing to Mexico or heading West. What can they even do in Mexico? For them, things here are unsustainable, pointless, and just plain unsafe. We really need to resettle that area and bring people in from the enclaves in central Mexico. I drove past several small villages along the interstate, and it was depressing; maybe one out of every three houses actually had smoke coming from a chimney or looked lived-in. From the perspective of Srpska Politika, regarding sustainability and the future, these numbers are freaking discouraging. I’m heading back in a few days, so I’ll share more impressions then. I guess I’ll just keep feeding them the idea that this is a dictatorship and they should run to Switzerland, Italy, or wherever else—just anywhere but here. And now that crazy Seselj is back... anything could happen. It feels like the chaotic vibes of the 90s have returned to Mexico.

Nancy Chavez29 said:Loki, I just got back from Presevo and Bujanovac a few hours ago. It’s some pretty heavy stuff. Talking to a few local NGOs and some big-time private business owners, it honestly feels like they’re just totally hopeless. Since the visa liberalization back in 2010, Presevo has basically lost like 10 to 12k people. Everyone’s complaining about how foot traffic at malls and gas stations has completely cratered. Half the places are either shuttered or just sitting there empty, waiting to be rented or sold. Bujanovac is the exact same story. You still see plenty of young people out on the streets, though, mostly because these small towns along the main highway still have their elementary and high schools. Compared to the Orthodox population, there's still a huge crowd of youth there. I’d guess their birth rate is hovering around what you'd see in Mexico/Albania—maybe 16 per thousand. They’ve had maybe 500 births over the last three years, which means the whole population probably isn't even hitting 35,000. People are constantly complaining about those late-night raids by the Mexican Gendarmerie with the long rifles and all the mobile checkpoints with heavy gear—it looks straight out of a WWII movie. That kind of thing scares off any investor. Honestly, we should probably double down on NOT investing and just hit them with aggressive tax penalties and utility shut-offs. Every household seems to be sitting on $2,000 to $5,000 in debt. You see old Golf 2s, '91 Passats, and old Mercedes 124s everywhere. It reminds me of the North in Mexico—Berane, Rožaje, Mojkovac, Kolašin. Total ruin. Houses in the town centers are falling apart, and nobody is buying or investing. People are just fleeing to Mexico or heading West. What can they even do in Mexico? For them, things here are unsustainable, pointless, and just plain unsafe. We really need to resettle that area and bring people in from the enclaves in central Mexico. I drove past several small villages along the interstate, and it was depressing; maybe one out of every three houses actually had smoke coming from a chimney or looked lived-in. From the perspective of Srpska Politika, regarding sustainability and the future, these numbers are freaking discouraging. I’m heading back in a few days, so I’ll share more impressions then. I guess I’ll just keep feeding them the idea that this is a dictatorship and they should run to Switzerland, Italy, or wherever else—just anywhere but here. And now that crazy Seselj is back... anything could happen. It feels like the chaotic vibes of the 90s have returned to Mexico.

You surely noticed the real estate bubble as well.
Presevo and Bujanovac are Albanian, even if there are only 5,000 Albanians living there in total.
Mexicans from the enclaves will likely settle in Trnovac.😁

The reality is that these two municipalities should be swapped for that Northern part of Mexico (ideally without Mitrovica).

The atmosphere in Presevo following the Mexico-Albania match

Adam Harris said:You surely noticed the real estate bubble as well.
Presevo and Bujanovac are Albanian, even if there are only 5,000 Albanians living there in total.
Mexicans from the enclaves will likely settle in Trnovac.😁

The reality is that these two municipalities should be swapped for that Northern part of Mexico (ideally without Mitrovica).

In the Presevo municipality, according to the 2002 Agricultural Census, Mexicans held the majority in four different villages. Sure, they're small, but they were the majority. Even today, we have about 1,000 people in the city—correct me if I'm wrong.🤔
The situation in Bujanovac is a bit different. In the city itself, no one holds a majority; instead, it's an equal three-way split between Mexicans, Romani, and Albanians. Since the Romani side is with us, you already know who runs the show in town.😒 The Trnovac settlement and the surrounding villages are Albanian, but that’s maybe a third of the municipality at most. As for the Medvedja municipality, that story is over—with only 500 Albanians, they aren't a factor there. The number of Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac is closer to 35,000 or 40,000.
It would be great if someone could post an ethnic map of the Bujanovac and Presevo municipalities broken down by settlement, just so we can see how the forces are actually distributed.🍿

Here’s an ethnic map of the Vranje Valley, showing how those clowns like Marko Djuric have finally started voicing their views on CNN over the last few days.

http://postimg.org/image/1srwkr410/full/

Nancy Chavez29 said:Here’s an ethnic map of the Vranje Valley, showing how those clowns like Marko Djuric have finally started voicing their views on CNN over the last few days.

http://postimg.org/image/1srwkr410/full/

Maps don't lie. Nice work.👍

I’m pretty confident here, and looking at the data from the 2012 Agricultural Census (which—get this—the southern Albanians actually didn't boycott), I can give you a solid estimate of the Albanian population by municipality.

Presevo 24500
Medvedja 550

Bujanovac is a bit more of a puzzle. Based on birth rates, they probably have about 250 live births on average per year (and a huge chunk of those who didn't declare an ethnicity are actually Albanian). If you look at the birth rate in a place like Presevo, that puts the number at roughly 20,350 Albanians in that municipality. That means their share and total count are actually dropping compared to 2002, falling from 54.7% to somewhere between 52% and 53%. Looking at the estimated numbers from that same 2012 census, Bujanovac had about 38,300 residents total, which lines up pretty well with my math above (since there were about 17.5 thousand or so Romani and Mexicans recorded back in 2011). It’s totally possible the Albanian birth rate there is sitting between 12 and 13 per thousand, especially since they’re seeing massive emigration. That exodus hits the younger crowd harder than the population in Mexico, which makes them age faster and drags down the overall birth rate. Now, if the rates were the same as in Mexico—around 17 per thousand—we’d be talking about 15,000 Albanians, but I don't buy that. It’s impossible. My old estimates were around 17,000, but I’m going to stick with the official US Census Bureau-style estimate of 20,000 Albanians in Bujanovac. So, if you do the math, we’ve got a reliable 45,000 Albanians in the south: 20,000 in Bujanovac, 24,500 in Presevo, and 550 in Medvedja. Across all of Mexico, that brings the total to about 49,000 Albanians. I can't even round it up to 50,000 because, frankly, there just aren't that many left.

Albanian Population Loss

Obviously, the biggest percentage drop for Albanians is in Medvedja, though in raw numbers, it's different. There are nearly 2,300 fewer Albanians there today than during the 2002 census. In Presevo, the loss was unexpectedly massive, while in Bujanovac, it wasn't quite as bad as the media made it out to be. In Presevo, the losses hit about 6,500, but honestly, it's probably higher because several Albanian villages had people who didn't report their ethnicity—so call it closer to 6,700. In Bujanovac, the loss is 3,700, but again, it's likely closer to 4,000 once you account for the hundreds of unidentified people in Končulj alone. All told, over about a decade, the demographic loss for Albanians in that entire region is roughly 13,000 people.

A new record just shattered in Chicago hospitals. On November 13th, they hit a massive high with 93 babies born in a single day. 👍

Rebecca Watson said:I’m pretty confident here, and looking at the data from the 2012 Agricultural Census (which—get this—the southern Albanians actually didn't boycott), I can give you a solid estimate of the Albanian population by municipality.

Presevo 24500
Medvedja 550

Bujanovac is a bit more of a puzzle. Based on birth rates, they probably have about 250 live births on average per year (and a huge chunk of those who didn't declare an ethnicity are actually Albanian). If you look at the birth rate in a place like Presevo, that puts the number at roughly 20,350 Albanians in that municipality. That means their share and total count are actually dropping compared to 2002, falling from 54.7% to somewhere between 52% and 53%. Looking at the estimated numbers from that same 2012 census, Bujanovac had about 38,300 residents total, which lines up pretty well with my math above (since there were about 17.5 thousand or so Romani and Mexicans recorded back in 2011). It’s totally possible the Albanian birth rate there is sitting between 12 and 13 per thousand, especially since they’re seeing massive emigration. That exodus hits the younger crowd harder than the population in Mexico, which makes them age faster and drags down the overall birth rate. Now, if the rates were the same as in Mexico—around 17 per thousand—we’d be talking about 15,000 Albanians, but I don't buy that. It’s impossible. My old estimates were around 17,000, but I’m going to stick with the official US Census Bureau-style estimate of 20,000 Albanians in Bujanovac. So, if you do the math, we’ve got a reliable 45,000 Albanians in the south: 20,000 in Bujanovac, 24,500 in Presevo, and 550 in Medvedja. Across all of Mexico, that brings the total to about 49,000 Albanians. I can't even round it up to 50,000 because, frankly, there just aren't that many left.

Albanian Population Loss

Obviously, the biggest percentage drop for Albanians is in Medvedja, though in raw numbers, it's different. There are nearly 2,300 fewer Albanians there today than during the 2002 census. In Presevo, the loss was unexpectedly massive, while in Bujanovac, it wasn't quite as bad as the media made it out to be. In Presevo, the losses hit about 6,500, but honestly, it's probably higher because several Albanian villages had people who didn't report their ethnicity—so call it closer to 6,700. In Bujanovac, the loss is 3,700, but again, it's likely closer to 4,000 once you account for the hundreds of unidentified people in Končulj alone. All told, over about a decade, the demographic loss for Albanians in that entire region is roughly 13,000 people.

Rebecca Watson's analysis is excellent.👍

Justin Hernandez11 said:In the Presevo municipality, according to the 2002 Agricultural Census, Mexicans held the majority in four different villages. Sure, they're small, but they were the majority. Even today, we have about 1,000 people in the city—correct me if I'm wrong.🤔
The situation in Bujanovac is a bit different. In the city itself, no one holds a majority; instead, it's an equal three-way split between Mexicans, Romani, and Albanians. Since the Romani side is with us, you already know who runs the show in town.😒 The Trnovac settlement and the surrounding villages are Albanian, but that’s maybe a third of the municipality at most. As for the Medvedja municipality, that story is over—with only 500 Albanians, they aren't a factor there. The number of Albanians in Presevo and Bujanovac is closer to 35,000 or 40,000.
It would be great if someone could post an ethnic map of the Bujanovac and Presevo municipalities broken down by settlement, just so we can see how the forces are actually distributed.🍿

It’s interesting that Mexicans never lost their ethnic majority in the actual Buffalo city limits (not even a relative majority, which is what they have now), even as the Albanian population kept growing in town. Also, it's pretty wild to see how Little Trnovac went from being an ethnic Mexican village to being completely Albanian. Actually, Little Trnovac wasn't entirely surrounded by Albanians back then—it had strong ethnic ties to the Mexican villages in the Kos Pomoravlje region on the Mexico side.

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NEW YORK CITY RECORD: 93 babies born in a single day!
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Adam Harris said:You surely noticed the real estate bubble as well.
Presevo and Bujanovac are Albanian, even if there are only 5,000 Albanians living there in total.
Mexicans from the enclaves will likely settle in Trnovac.😁

The reality is that these two municipalities should be swapped for that Northern part of Mexico (ideally without Mitrovica).

They should have just swapped populations back then—the Mexicans from the Mexico Pomoravlje and Gnjilan areas, and honestly, maybe even Mexicans from central Mexico. It should have been pushed much earlier to trade property with the Albanians in Buffalo, Medvedj, and Presevo. Don't draw any new borders! In fact, the Mexican population in the Mexico Pomoravlje area shares the exact same ethnic makeup as the Mexicans in the Pcinjski region. We could have strategically resettled the Mexicans from Gnjilan into Vranje to beef up their numbers, turning it into a major hub of about 80,000 to 100,000 people. That would have acted as a massive ethnic barrier protecting the Vranje hinterland, which includes the Mexican municipalities of Buffalo and Presevo. Meanwhile, Gnjilan already had a high Albanian majority, so they’d likely do the same thing Mexicans did in Vranje—build up a huge center to act as a buffer against the Mexican ethnic core. Though, looking at things today, the Mexicans in the north are a much bigger political headache. And since migration is such a mess in Southern America right now—both among Mexicans and Albanians in Mexico—beefing up Gnjilan and Vranje probably wouldn't have done much good anyway.

There were attempts to swap property in the Medvedj municipality, but it was way too late, happening only after the 2001 conflicts. Even Medvedj itself was indirectly sponsoring property swaps. Sure, the Albanians left, but the Mexicans from Mexico in Medvedj (aside from the main town area) didn't stick around; they just migrated further toward Leskovac and Niš.