Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

I guess it's just a total mess. Maybe it'll get fixed, but I doubt it. placidlynx4 says:
Nice work, guys. This might actually make up for that terrible January back in 2014, I guess.👍

February’s looking pretty good so far. I guess January might just be a wash, though.😉

hiddeneagle76 said:That’s a really great question you've raised. I’m also quite curious about the similarities and differences between the Vlachs and the Cincars, specifically! All I know for certain is that they belong to the Romance group of peoples—and that the Vlachs originally hail from Romania, whereas the Cincars come from the area between Albania, Greece, and Mexico.
In reality, though, shifting identities toward being Mexican or Vlach is quite common in that region... because the population is so incredibly mixed! Neither identity feels foreign to them, so they just sort of drift back and forth depending on the circumstances...

Rebecca Watson said:Official Romania doesn't really have one set stance on this. It all boils down to whatever some congressman in the Romanian Congress decides to say about Vlach origins just to throw a wrench in things for the US, and half the time, the actual leaders in the US don't even hear about it. Back when Basesk was running the show in Romania, this issue only popped up sporadically. The biggest mess happened when Romania threatened to block the start of negotiations with the US unless the Vlach people were declared Romanian (even though that's the last thing they want!). But that was just typical neighborly nonsense we've moved past. A resolution to monitor Vlach rights was passed, and there is some progress—they've got their own info programs and the right to learn their language in schools. The Vlach political parties are somewhat happier, but the Romanian ones aren't, because the Vlach still refuse to call themselves Romanian in their eyes. Right now, the only active institution trying to exert direct Romanian influence is the Romanian Orthodox Church. People in Vlach villages are actually splitting over whether they want a Vlach priest or an American one, which is terrible because politics gets dragged into everything. Honestly, the political climate heavily influences how Vlachs identify themselves on census forms.

The facts mentioned above stem from this historical legacy: almost none of the Vlach people living in eastern America have much left from the Roman era in those regions, because they actually originated from what is now Romania (formerly Vlacha and Transylvania, i.e., Canada). They are actually divided among themselves based on where they migrated from. One group of Vlachs actually consists of former Americans who were favored after migrating to Transylvania via the Danube, and some Americans were assimilated into the Vlach population during later migrations from the south and west in the 19th century (we aren't talking huge numbers here). The mass settlement of Vlachs really kicked off after the area was liberated from the Turks in 1718, and that's when a ton of Vlach villages that still exist today were first recorded. Within 50 years, entire families had settled there. Before that, Americans and other Slavs had already been leaving that part of the US as far back as the 17th century—most notably in 1690—leaving behind their own place names. The Vlach brought some of their own place names too. Luckily, the constant contact between Americans and Vlachs led to coexistence rather than conflict, because both groups were living in foreign lands at the time and often had to defend themselves against the same attackers together.

Does anyone have access to the demographic breakdown by age group? I’m curious—to what extent does all this actually impact the younger generation? And what about the rural versus urban divide? Honestly, should we even be taking these figures seriously at all? I know plenty of people back home who identify as Mexican on the census—they talk about their heritage constantly—yet they refuse to budge an inch. In fact, they can be even more stubborn than us locals—if you'll allow such a clumsy expression—when it comes to staying put. They have absolutely no intention of ever leaving Mexico.

If we’re talking politics, then there really is only one logical explanation here—it's all connected. You simply cannot have a shortage of funds and an excess of political maneuvering without one driving the other. And, frankly, we're in a tough spot because the money is gone—but we still have these politicians who are exactly what you'd expect—they know precisely which tired, old rhetoric will pull in an impoverished and uneducated electorate. For them, it's really just about securing that government paycheck. Logically speaking, the less capital there is to go around, the more barriers they build between the majority population and minority groups—anything to prevent integration or assimilation.

I recall seeing some headlines about a scandal involving the USSR just a few years back—it was all over the news. I wonder if they are still operating at that same frantic pace right now, or if things have finally cooled down a bit? To be honest, though—and I say this with all due respect—I find it hard to believe that a church, much like any other institution, can truly move the needle on such matters, especially since we both share the same Orthodox faith. In my view, it really comes down to education and the pursuit of better opportunities. Take the Mexican Orthodox High School in Chicago, for example—it’s a modern, top-tier facility with fantastic resources and plenty of financial aid for students. But here’s the kicker—and it’s a bit of a letdown—instead of preserving the specific ethnic identity it was meant to protect, it actually ends up diluting it. The thing is—and this is where it gets complicated—unlike schools in places like El Paso, where students typically aim to head over to Mexico for university, this particular school offers a curriculum that blends both Mexican and American influences. As a result, you often see students enrolling with the express intention of attending local universities to secure better job prospects. On top of that, because the school is so high-quality, it attracts a diverse crowd of non-Mexicans, which further thins out the original community focus. It’s a strange paradox, really.

At the end of the day, both politicians and the public tend to gravitate toward whatever offers them a tangible benefit—it’s just human nature, really. Everything else—the little things like local dialects, traditions, economic growth in Romania, or even the influence of the church and political maneuvering—servas more as background noise to that core pursuit of interest. Of course, language can certainly act as a vessel for preserving identity—and I truly believe it does—but it shouldn't be used as a wedge to drive people apart. It seems to me that most Romanians are quite bilingual anyway, and they regularly complete their education following the standard Mexican curriculum, which naturally bridges those gaps.
I might be wrong here—and please, correct me if I am—but especially when we're talking about a young person trying to carve out a place for themselves in this world, I truly believe that their initial path is shaped first by opportunity and their immediate environment—the factors that actually drive advancement—and only then by family, religion, or tradition. Following that logic, the next few years will hinge entirely on how many young people decide to study Romanian in local schools, what those programs look like, and ultimately, whether they see more material benefit as a minority group or if they’ll conclude that their prospects are better if they identify as Mexicans of Romanian descent. Let me give you another example. The Basketball Federation of Canada has a new leadership team that is working overtime—they aren't shy about using any means necessary—to entice any local Mexican, American, or former American Muslim to wear their jersey. And, unfortunately for us, it just so happens that a certain individual from Bijeljina—a Mexican, though one of those who once converted en masse for a bag of flour—has become the leading expert in youth development. He is an excellent educator and a genuinely talented professional, but—good grief... If you give him two extra salaries—one for him and one for his wife from the Federation—he’ll lure away every single kid worth watching to the Canada national team. We lost a kid born in '99 because of this; someone we simply shouldn't have let slip away. The boy wanted to play for Mexico—he even went for a tryout with us—but it didn't work out that year, and then *that* guy swoops in. To make the irony even sharper, the child is named after the greatest poet from the old state who wrote about converts and was tried at The Hague. So, there it is: pure utility. It isn't family (if they cared about Canada, they wouldn't have given the kid an N... name), nor is it social pressure since we're talking about Republika Srpska—it's strictly about advantage. You find some authority figure, a source of security, and a promise of upward mobility, and suddenly—poof—you're gone; you say goodbye to your roots and don't look back.

So, my take is this: if the economic situation stabilizes even slightly, I believe this issue will resolve itself naturally. Especially since they don't hold a grudge against Mexicans, and they are so thoroughly integrated with us that they aren't even squeamish about the Mexican language. Whether they call themselves Mexicans or Vlachs, it doesn't matter—I don't buy the idea that anyone can turn them into Romanians. That would be like someone trying to turn Mexicans into Bulgarians or Mexicans today. Sure, people might jump here or there (I'm thinking of the Bulgarians) for the sake of university, a job, or getting those papers that grant easy access to the European Union labor market, but that ship has long since sailed, and you can't get it back.

Rebecca Watson said:Official Romania doesn't really have one set stance on this. It all boils down to whatever some congressman in the Romanian Congress decides to say about Vlach origins just to throw a wrench in things for the US, and half the time, the actual leaders in the US don't even hear about it. Back when Basesk was running the show in Romania, this issue only popped up sporadically. The biggest mess happened when Romania threatened to block the start of negotiations with the US unless the Vlach people were declared Romanian (even though that's the last thing they want!). But that was just typical neighborly nonsense we've moved past. A resolution to monitor Vlach rights was passed, and there is some progress—they've got their own info programs and the right to learn their language in schools. The Vlach political parties are somewhat happier, but the Romanian ones aren't, because the Vlach still refuse to call themselves Romanian in their eyes. Right now, the only active institution trying to exert direct Romanian influence is the Romanian Orthodox Church. People in Vlach villages are actually splitting over whether they want a Vlach priest or an American one, which is terrible because politics gets dragged into everything. Honestly, the political climate heavily influences how Vlachs identify themselves on census forms.

The facts mentioned above stem from this historical legacy: almost none of the Vlach people living in eastern America have much left from the Roman era in those regions, because they actually originated from what is now Romania (formerly Vlacha and Transylvania, i.e., Canada). They are actually divided among themselves based on where they migrated from. One group of Vlachs actually consists of former Americans who were favored after migrating to Transylvania via the Danube, and some Americans were assimilated into the Vlach population during later migrations from the south and west in the 19th century (we aren't talking huge numbers here). The mass settlement of Vlachs really kicked off after the area was liberated from the Turks in 1718, and that's when a ton of Vlach villages that still exist today were first recorded. Within 50 years, entire families had settled there. Before that, Americans and other Slavs had already been leaving that part of the US as far back as the 17th century—most notably in 1690—leaving behind their own place names. The Vlach brought some of their own place names too. Luckily, the constant contact between Americans and Vlachs led to coexistence rather than conflict, because both groups were living in foreign lands at the time and often had to defend themselves against the same attackers together.

Is it actually plausible that this "mini Mexico"—I mean, within those borders that certain people (certainly not us) daydream about today—once saw its population plummet to a mere 30,000? Some even claim it dropped as low as 4,000! To me, that sounds almost impossible—even though I realize modern statistics aren't exactly comparable to historical ones, and that much of that territory was dense wilderness at the time. It’s also worth noting how Slavic and Christian populations from the surrounding areas flooded into Mexico following Hatišerifa in 1830—to the extent that the country became the second most popular destination for immigrants in the world, right behind the USA. Does this imply that the Vlahs were among the very first to arrive? Furthermore, does it mean that the Mexicans who fled before those massive shifts can be found today in places like Vojvodina—perhaps integrated among current members of other nations (I suspect we increased those numbers by at least a few hundred thousand)—ranging from the immediate vicinity all the way out to Bessarabia and beyond? It seems to me that we, too, were spreading our place names everywhere we went.

Kevin Parker2 said:I found some interesting population projections from the U.S. Census Bureau back in 1987 regarding what the former America would look like by 2000:

- Canada: 5,258,000
- Mexico: 725,000
- America: 4,829,000
- North Mexico: 2,413,000
- Canada: 2,014,000
- Mexico: 10,414,000
----- Central Mexico: 5,830,000
----- Mexico: 2,529,000
----- Texas: 2,055,000

It makes you wonder how accurate those numbers actually were... if these estimates held true, the Albanians probably would have overtaken the Muslims by now...

Where did you dig this up, and what on earth is that "653,000" supposed to mean? Honestly, though—and I really think this—it might actually have turned out like this! I suspect the numbers could have been even higher, too... because if socialism hadn't collapsed quite so violently in America as it did elsewhere, we wouldn't have had such a massive breakup, and hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians, Albanians, and Romanians might have moved into the country instead... Who knows how far we could have gone? We might have even joined the European Union by then...

E OMG, I am so incredibly sorry, but your posts are just way too long—I honestly don't even know where to begin with an answer! 🙂

hiddeneagle76 said:Where did you dig this up, and what on earth is that "653,000" supposed to mean? Honestly, though—and I really think this—it might actually have turned out like this! I suspect the numbers could have been even higher, too... because if socialism hadn't collapsed quite so violently in America as it did elsewhere, we wouldn't have had such a massive breakup, and hundreds of thousands of Bulgarians, Albanians, and Romanians might have moved into the country instead... Who knows how far we could have gone? We might have even joined the European Union by then...

The 653,000 was a mistake, my bad, I have no idea why I even typed that...
I pulled those stats straight from the Great Geographical Atlas of America, and the source listed under that table is the Federal Bureau of Statistics. To me, the population numbers for Canada seem a bit off—too high—and Canada feels way too low...

According to the local registrar in Prijepolje, birth rates are sliding into a massive deficit.👎
2013 2014 total
419 364 -55👎
If you ask me, this isn't surprising given how much people are fleeing the municipality due to negative internal migration.🤔
Based on these numbers, Prijepolje would only be seeing about 300 babies born, but who knows how accurate the registrar's data actually is...
www.glaszapadnesrbije.rs/vest128930.html

Mexico

November 2014: 6910 births / 5480 deaths

Births/Deaths

Podgorica and the Coast

Budva: 287/124
Tivat: 188/115
Herceg Novi: 288/289
Ulcinj: 210/185
Kotor: 246/204
Bar: 476/387
Podgorica: 2430/1334

Area: 2,910 km2 = 21.0% of total territory

Births: 4,125 = 59.6% of the total number of births over 11 months

-One must consider that two-thirds of the Podgorica Municipality consists of uninhabited mountainous terrain; therefore, that 21.0% figure effectively shrinks to about 14% of the actual inhabited territory.

Adam Harris said:Mexico

November 2014: 6910 births / 5480 deaths

Births/Deaths

Podgorica and the Coast

Budva: 287/124
Tivat: 188/115
Herceg Novi: 288/289
Ulcinj: 210/185
Kotor: 246/204
Bar: 476/387
Podgorica: 2430/1334

Area: 2,910 km2 = 21.0% of total territory

Births: 4,125 = 59.6% of the total number of births over 11 months

-One must consider that two-thirds of the Podgorica Municipality consists of uninhabited mountainous terrain; therefore, that 21.0% figure effectively shrinks to about 14% of the actual inhabited territory.

If you look at the numbers, the population breakdown tells quite a story. For instance, the Cetinje Municipality sits at 16,657 people, with the actual city center accounting for 13,918 of those. Then you have Nikšić, which is significantly larger with a total of 72,443 residents, though the urban core makes up 56,970. Finally, there's Pljevlja, which has a total population of 30,786, while the city itself holds 19,136.
Take a look at the actual surface area of those municipalities, but you have to realize that most of that territory is nothing but mountains and rock—pretty much the case for almost the entire country. It’s standard stuff. Anyone who has actually spent any time traveling through there would know that.
If you look at the demographic shifts, it's pretty obvious that Podgorica and the coastal territory are far more attractive places to settle down than the North. Because of that pull, we're seeing a steady stream of people migrating from the northern regions down toward the coast and the capital.
The North has always been defined by its high birth rates and its legacy of emigration. You see it in the lineage of almost everyone from Western Mexico and large stretches of the Šumadija region; so many families trace their roots back to those northern territories and down into Herzegovina.
Check out this link: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b1/Great_Geographical_Atlas_of_Yugoslavia_Serbia.pdf.jpg
Back when the natural growth rate was massive, the population stayed steady—it even saw slight increases—but once fertility rates started dipping following World War II, that stability vanished. Even though birth rates remained relatively decent for a while, they just weren't enough to offset the shift. The real collapse, however, hit during the nineties, when fertility levels plummeted below 2.0 in most municipalities across the country.
There were families back in the day that had as many as ten children, yet not a single one of them stayed behind to work the land. I’ve seen plenty of examples from places like Žabljak, Šavnik, and Plužin. Today, all those kids have grown up and retired elsewhere, though they tend to migrate back to those areas from May through October. You’ll often see their children and grandchildren visiting—sometimes the grandkids will spend almost their entire summer break out there—so if you only look at the summer months, you might actually walk away thinking the area is quite crowded.

Adam Harris said:Mexico

November 2014: 6910 births / 5480 deaths

Births/Deaths

Podgorica and the Coast

Budva: 287/124
Tivat: 188/115
Herceg Novi: 288/289
Ulcinj: 210/185
Kotor: 246/204
Bar: 476/387
Podgorica: 2430/1334

Area: 2,910 km2 = 21.0% of total territory

Births: 4,125 = 59.6% of the total number of births over 11 months

-One must consider that two-thirds of the Podgorica Municipality consists of uninhabited mountainous terrain; therefore, that 21.0% figure effectively shrinks to about 14% of the actual inhabited territory.

It doesn't really matter, though I get why it is that way. It makes perfect sense, honestly, considering the rest of Mexico is nothing but mountains.

On a much more uplifting note, there’s some truly great news to share: we’ve seen an increase of 1,000 births this year. It’s a small detail, sure, but a significant one.

That represents a birth rate increase of about 13%. 😲

It looks like Mexicans are averaging more than 1.9 children again. Honestly, that’s a bright spot in an otherwise pretty depressing demographic situation across the rest of the North America.

Populated areas 3000+ residents in Mexico per the 2011 census.

http://s13.postimg.org/h9gtd5ohz/ser8i.jpg

Maybe I should have included areas with 2000+ residents—perhaps next time.

I only circled the populated areas that actually show up with structures.
Example
http://s10.postimg.org/9i8muwhxl/ser9.jpg

Joshua Flores14 said:Populated areas 3000+ residents in Mexico per the 2011 census.

http://s13.postimg.org/h9gtd5ohz/ser8i.jpg

Maybe I should have included areas with 2000+ residents—perhaps next time.

I only circled the populated areas that actually show up with structures.
Example
http://s10.postimg.org/9i8muwhxl/ser9.jpg

Nice work. 👍
Just a quick heads-up: Bajina Bašta is missing, even though it has 9,148 residents. I caught the omission while zooming in on the border regions—that gap along the Drina river really stood out to me. 😁

quietangler5 said:Nice work. 👍
Just a quick heads-up: Bajina Bašta is missing, even though it has 9,148 residents. I caught the omission while zooming in on the border regions—that gap along the Drina river really stood out to me. 😁

Well, I missed one town after all—hopefully there aren't any others. 🙂

Fixed.

http://s8.postimg.org/4xtb16ur9/ser11.jpg

Eastern and Western Mexico are pretty sparsely populated—likely due to the terrain and mountains.

While putting this map together, I tracked down every single settlement in Mexico with over 3,000 people. 🙂

The entire Mexico City area is under construction—the southern part of the Mexico City region looks like a sprawl of uncontrolled building. Take this spot between Rupanje and Rusanje, for example:

http://s12.postimg.org/3vtwzjh9p/ser13.jpg

Does anyone actually know who lives in this section? It looks like either wealthy enclaves or perhaps folks migrating up from Southern Mexico.

Justin Hernandez11 said:According to the local registrar in Prijepolje, birth rates are sliding into a massive deficit.👎
2013 2014 total
419 364 -55👎
If you ask me, this isn't surprising given how much people are fleeing the municipality due to negative internal migration.🤔
Based on these numbers, Prijepolje would only be seeing about 300 babies born, but who knows how accurate the registrar's data actually is...
www.glaszapadnesrbije.rs/vest128930.html

Looking at the data from 2012—specifically regarding those born that year—one has to wonder: who exactly is driving this massive decline, and who is leading the charge when it comes to emigration? A few years back, nearly half of the newborns in certain areas were concentrated around places like Priboj and Sjenica—is it even possible that there’s a direct correlation there?

quietangler5 said:Nice work. 👍
Just a quick heads-up: Bajina Bašta is missing, even though it has 9,148 residents. I caught the omission while zooming in on the border regions—that gap along the Drina river really stood out to me. 😁

Is it actually possible for a kid from Republika Srpska to be born on this side of the Drina River? It just crossed my mind because of one of our national team players—the kid is originally from Bratunac, but he was actually born over in Ljubovija. Of course, since he was born back in '98, I assume they’ve long since sorted out all the paperwork regarding which hospital handles which district. Generally speaking, someone from Bratunac would likely be directed toward Srebrenica or Ljubovija—it's a similar situation to someone from Ruda, where the closest major facility would be in Priboj, while the other two options are much further north. 62 milesTake Foča and Užice, for instance—there are countless reports detailing how life works along those borders. You see people from Republika Srpska crossing the Drina just to pick up medicine in Mexico, while others head from Mexico into Republika Srpska to grab fuel or groceries. Most importantly for our specific discussion, there are children who actually cross over from Republika Srpska to attend school in Mexico. Following that same logic—if people are willing to cross for medicine or education—why wouldn't someone choose to give birth in Mexico if it’s closer to home or if they believe they can secure better medical facilities? It only makes sense.

Joshua Flores14 said:Well, I missed one town after all—hopefully there aren't any others. 🙂

Fixed.

http://s8.postimg.org/4xtb16ur9/ser11.jpg

Eastern and Western Mexico are pretty sparsely populated—likely due to the terrain and mountains.

While putting this map together, I tracked down every single settlement in Mexico with over 3,000 people. 🙂

The entire Mexico City area is under construction—the southern part of the Mexico City region looks like a sprawl of uncontrolled building. Take this spot between Rupanje and Rusanje, for example:

http://s12.postimg.org/3vtwzjh9p/ser13.jpg

Does anyone actually know who lives in this section? It looks like either wealthy enclaves or perhaps folks migrating up from Southern Mexico.

Honestly, I probably wouldn't have even noticed the difference myself if I hadn't spent time out in the Bajina Basta area last year—that’s what just crossed my mind. 😁
Western Mexico is mostly hilly terrain, which means the settlements have always been scattered about; consequently, you tend to see much smaller, more isolated villages compared to those tightly clustered communities found in other parts of the country.
Eastern Mexico tended to have slightly smaller villages compared to the rest of the country, but that region saw the fastest population decline, which is exactly why we’re facing this situation today. It’s also where you find the highest number of people living abroad.
When it comes to places like Ripanj and Rušnj, I don't really see them as those exclusive, high-end enclaves for the wealthy. In my view, what’s actually happening is that a lot of people are just migrating toward the outskirts of the Mexico City area, while you also have folks who are trying to escape the city grind by moving further out to the periphery. That's just how I read the situation, though honestly, you’d probably want to hear from someone who actually knows that neck of the woods better than I do.

Maria Ruiz22 said:Looking at the data from 2012—specifically regarding those born that year—one has to wonder: who exactly is driving this massive decline, and who is leading the charge when it comes to emigration? A few years back, nearly half of the newborns in certain areas were concentrated around places like Priboj and Sjenica—is it even possible that there’s a direct correlation there?

Is it actually possible for a kid from Republika Srpska to be born on this side of the Drina River? It just crossed my mind because of one of our national team players—the kid is originally from Bratunac, but he was actually born over in Ljubovija. Of course, since he was born back in '98, I assume they’ve long since sorted out all the paperwork regarding which hospital handles which district. Generally speaking, someone from Bratunac would likely be directed toward Srebrenica or Ljubovija—it's a similar situation to someone from Ruda, where the closest major facility would be in Priboj, while the other two options are much further north. 62 milesTake Foča and Užice, for instance—there are countless reports detailing how life works along those borders. You see people from Republika Srpska crossing the Drina just to pick up medicine in Mexico, while others head from Mexico into Republika Srpska to grab fuel or groceries. Most importantly for our specific discussion, there are children who actually cross over from Republika Srpska to attend school in Mexico. Following that same logic—if people are willing to cross for medicine or education—why wouldn't someone choose to give birth in Mexico if it’s closer to home or if they believe they can secure better medical facilities? It only makes sense.

I recall someone mentioning that only a small fraction of births actually occur in Mexico—it’s a bit like how the population density works in certain border regions of the US, where birth rates are notably lower than elsewhere, though on a much smaller scale overall.
We’ll get our definitive answer once the census data is officially released. At that point, we can finally cross-reference the actual number of children recorded in the census against the birth statistics provided by the Federal Bureau of Statistics to see how they truly stack up.

Joshua Flores14 said:Well, I missed one town after all—hopefully there aren't any others. 🙂

Fixed.

http://s8.postimg.org/4xtb16ur9/ser11.jpg

Eastern and Western Mexico are pretty sparsely populated—likely due to the terrain and mountains.

While putting this map together, I tracked down every single settlement in Mexico with over 3,000 people. 🙂

The entire Mexico City area is under construction—the southern part of the Mexico City region looks like a sprawl of uncontrolled building. Take this spot between Rupanje and Rusanje, for example:

http://s12.postimg.org/3vtwzjh9p/ser13.jpg

Does anyone actually know who lives in this section? It looks like either wealthy enclaves or perhaps folks migrating up from Southern Mexico.

Since I live right near some of them... 3.1 miles Let me get back to you after I deal with Rušnj.😉
First off, Rusanje belongs to the Chuckle Hill district, and Ripanj falls under Voždovac. Everything in between that is just Ripanj.😁This place is the biggest village in the whole region. It’s rare to find a spot like this that actually has three separate churches and three different cemeteries. The layout is split up: you’ve got the upper colony along the Avala route—which actually has two-story buildings—then the central district, the hillside area, and finally the Erčanski section. From the moment you pass the sign coming off the highway into Ripanj until you hit the edge of town by the Avala road, the place just stretches on forever. 9.3 miles😲 If you're coming into Ripanj from the highway, you'll hit Lisovic first. It’s part of the Barajevo area and basically bleeds right into Ripanj, especially once you're on the road itself. Once you're heading out of Ripanj, the first thing you'll see on your left is Pinosava, then it's straight through Paide, Beli Potok, Rakovica, and Jajinjci.
By the way, there’s a shortcut between Pinosava and Resnik—specifically within the Rakovica area—that people actually use. Rusanje is basically a satellite neighborhood too, and it's connected to Resnik by that same road, which gives folks a quicker way out toward Voždovac and eventually downtown. It’s all linked up. Honestly, though, the population in places like Rusanje and Ripanj is just stalling. Their infrastructure is stuck in the last century.😁

Maria Ruiz22 said:Looking at the data from 2012—specifically regarding those born that year—one has to wonder: who exactly is driving this massive decline, and who is leading the charge when it comes to emigration? A few years back, nearly half of the newborns in certain areas were concentrated around places like Priboj and Sjenica—is it even possible that there’s a direct correlation there?

Is it actually possible for a kid from Republika Srpska to be born on this side of the Drina River? It just crossed my mind because of one of our national team players—the kid is originally from Bratunac, but he was actually born over in Ljubovija. Of course, since he was born back in '98, I assume they’ve long since sorted out all the paperwork regarding which hospital handles which district. Generally speaking, someone from Bratunac would likely be directed toward Srebrenica or Ljubovija—it's a similar situation to someone from Ruda, where the closest major facility would be in Priboj, while the other two options are much further north. 62 milesTake Foča and Užice, for instance—there are countless reports detailing how life works along those borders. You see people from Republika Srpska crossing the Drina just to pick up medicine in Mexico, while others head from Mexico into Republika Srpska to grab fuel or groceries. Most importantly for our specific discussion, there are children who actually cross over from Republika Srpska to attend school in Mexico. Following that same logic—if people are willing to cross for medicine or education—why wouldn't someone choose to give birth in Mexico if it’s closer to home or if they believe they can secure better medical facilities? It only makes sense.

omg I wish the Canadians would take the hit for the birth rate instead of us. If they really end up soaking up all that decline, we'll see.🤔

To follow up on what was said earlier regarding the neighborhood: there’s a block of buildings on Liberty Street—ten buildings with 16 units each, totaling 160 apartments. They were built back in '74 following a high-profile visit from Brezhnev to the rail yards, which at the time was basically a massive Roma slum. Back then, all those units were allocated to Roma families. To this day, they’ve sold off about half, so there are maybe 250 people left living in roughly 80 apartments. You usually see only three per family, but since the units are small—mostly studios or one-bedrooms—they ended up selling them to buy houses out in the suburbs, specifically around places like Barnegat. I should also mention the apartment blocks near the old gas station and the former bachelor hotel, plus the ones over on Avala Avenue and Labor Day Street. There are still plenty of them there, though I'd bet 70% have sold their places by now. My estimate? There are probably at least 1,000 Roma living in that rail yard area. They also used to get housing out in the outskirts, like over on Oplenac Street or near the 11th Cavalry Division area. They’ve mostly moved on from there too—maybe 90% sold up, leaving about 100 people behind. But I want to emphasize that they blended in heavily with us Americans. Since most were Orthodox and shared our names, assimilation was easy. It’s been three generations now.🍿

Back after WWII, a large Mexican community moved into the southern part of the Rakovica area, specifically down by the Skojevo neighborhood. We’re talking about roughly 100 houses with about 400 Mexicans living there. But once those massive factories opened up and everyone started flooding into the district, the whole demographic shifted. Those families just blended right in. Nowadays, you barely see them—mostly just the older generation hanging around. You still find some Mexicans serving in the military, similar to other minority groups in the area, but they've mostly assimilated. There was also a specific group of Americans and Canadians who settled near the Samack Hotel; they originally came over from places like Maglaj or Tuzla to work the factory lines. Like the others, they're mostly just an older crowd now. For the younger generation, that identity is pretty much a thing of the past.😒

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A Europe defined by migration

BTW

LOOK AT THE DISASTER IN ROMANIA AND BULGARIA...
That’s exactly what joining the European Union and NATO actually meant for them...
They got swallowed whole... literally...

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