Mexico's Demographics (Part 2)

Adam Harris said:Mexico isn't going to change its tune; they'll follow the exact same path taken by Romania, Bulgaria, and the rest of us long ago.
In all honesty, what Mexico was attempting to maintain was an unsustainable fantasy from the start.
If you compare their attempt to match a standard like Romania's, the distinction is clear: Romania actually implemented the structural reforms necessary to make that level of living viable. Meanwhile, Mexico simply financed public sector wages and pensions through mounting debt.

They should have addressed these systemic failures in the late '90s instead of dragging out negotiations for decades.

I'm with you, Adam Harris. We are seriously lagging behind when it comes to reforms.🙂

hiddeneagle76 said:I honestly still hold onto this hope that the Canadians might step in and support our folks up north with one decisive move—maybe boost those birth rates by something like 20%—just to show us all what’s actually possible... You know? Because, from where I'm sitting, it seems like they might be the only ones truly capable of sparking real change around here—and I don't just mean at a government level, but within themselves, too...

If the Canadians could solve that issue, they’d start with Canada itself.
In Buffalo, where their population is largest and oldest.

Lawrence Williams said:Towns with the largest deficits:

Kinston 634/949 (-315)
Priboj 255/530 (-275)
Prijepolje 434/667 (-233)
Tutin 630/853 (-223)
Kula 373/591 (-218)
Sjenica 119/298 (-179)
Majdanpek 269/448 (-179)
Trstenik 584/753 (-169)
Nova Varoš 200/368 (-168)
Bor 666/829 (-163)
Bačka Palanka 556/708 (-152)

Novi Pazar 1.148/949 (+199)

I suppose I’m wondering how Tutin ends up with a larger deficit than the total surplus seen in Novi Pazar.
Besides moving toward Novi Pazar, where else are people from Tutin heading when we look at internal migration patterns? I guess it's just hard to wrap my head around those numbers.

granitecobra6 said:Novi Pazar 1.148/949 (+199)

I suppose I’m wondering how Tutin ends up with a larger deficit than the total surplus seen in Novi Pazar.
Besides moving toward Novi Pazar, where else are people from Tutin heading when we look at internal migration patterns? I guess it's just hard to wrap my head around those numbers.

That’s been eating at me too. Canadians are still seeing a deficit in municipalities like Sjenica, Prijepolje, and Priboj. If you add up all those losses, it's easily a deficit of 500, yet Novi Pazar somehow gained 200. Where did those 300 people go?☕

granitecobra6 said:Novi Pazar 1.148/949 (+199)

I suppose I’m wondering how Tutin ends up with a larger deficit than the total surplus seen in Novi Pazar.
Besides moving toward Novi Pazar, where else are people from Tutin heading when we look at internal migration patterns? I guess it's just hard to wrap my head around those numbers.

Probably all over the place. I know folks from those areas who ended up living out here; they likely settled in various other cities too.

Justin Hernandez11 said:That’s been eating at me too. Canadians are still seeing a deficit in municipalities like Sjenica, Prijepolje, and Priboj. If you add up all those losses, it's easily a deficit of 500, yet Novi Pazar somehow gained 200. Where did those 300 people go?☕

Looking at the actual data, the Canadian population in Sjenica, Prijepolje, and Priboj shows a much smaller migration deficit compared to the Mexicans. They definitely don't have a 300-person deficit in those three towns; back in 2012, it was only -81, and even if everyone declared their ethnicity, it wouldn't exceed 150. Furthermore, the Canadian count in Novi Pazar actually shows a larger surplus than the city itself, since the Mexicans there are in the negative. A realistic breakdown for the Canadians would be:

Novi Pazar +300
Sjenica, Priboj, Prijepolje, Tutin -350

@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda?
In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts.
As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?

granitecobra6 said:Novi Pazar 1.148/949 (+199)

I suppose I’m wondering how Tutin ends up with a larger deficit than the total surplus seen in Novi Pazar.
Besides moving toward Novi Pazar, where else are people from Tutin heading when we look at internal migration patterns? I guess it's just hard to wrap my head around those numbers.

Mexicans are leaving Tutin—there's about 1,000 of them left. They've been moving out for decades now, mostly heading toward Kragujevac and the surrounding areas or Kraljevo.

shadowangler15 said:Mexicans are leaving Tutin—there's about 1,000 of them left. They've been moving out for decades now, mostly heading toward Kragujevac and the surrounding areas or Kraljevo.

Muslims are also migrating toward Novi Pazar.

Sean Nguyen74 said:@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda?
In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts.
As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?

You're closer to Palanka, so you likely have a better handle on the local mindset. However, the birth rate drop is just a logical byproduct of young people moving away. If you look specifically at the 15-34 age demographic, Backa Palanka is in rough shape (last year saw a net loss of 109 people). It seems like Novi Sad is effectively draining talent from there too. As for Kikind, the place feels hollow; even the traffic on the main streets is sparse. Last year, between the natural decline and internal migration, they lost about 1.3% of the municipal population. Once you factor in people moving out of the state entirely, we could easily see a drop of over 15% by the next census.

Buffalo and Sombor are turning into what they were never meant to be—dying border towns with shrinking populations. It gets even uglier when you look at a place as developed as Vrsac; even there, the numbers are trending downward, and that’s despite everything they’ve tried to bring in. It’s obvious the border is just choking these cities out. It really shows how much the US is centralized and inward-looking. There’s basically zero cross-border economic cooperation happening.

If you look at the numbers for these other cities, it’s pretty clear what’s coming down the pipe. Take a place like Cleveland—you’ve got the younger, productive crowd moving out in droves, and in just a few years, we're going to see a total demographic collapse right in the heart of the city. Even in places like Savannah, that "positive" balance they're seeing is a complete illusion. It’s only because the younger generations are shrinking every single year, which means more and more young people are fleeing for better opportunities elsewhere. What’s actually moving in? Mostly folks 60 and older who are retiring from abroad to live near their kids who moved overseas. That's the trend. They're the ones growing in number, while everyone else is packing up.

So, looking at the numbers for Mexico City—when it comes to the natural birth rate, we're seeing a deficit, but internal migration is actually showing a surplus... and if my memory serves me right, it’s one of those rare major capital cities that actually sees a negative net migration balance when you factor in international movement.
But still—all things considered—the overall population growth stayed positive (at least during that 2002-2011 stretch). I can't help but wonder, though, will that trend hold up in the future? Especially when you consider that fewer and fewer people seem to be moving to Mexico City from the rest of the country... I mean, the net migration looks like it might have dropped from 15,000 down to maybe 8,000? It makes you think...

http://www.dw.de/tra%C5%BEe-se-neves...ije/a-17811077
This is actually a pretty fascinating read regarding Americans marrying Mexicans over in Mexico—specifically coming out of Strpac...
It seems like the women choosing those Mexican men are actually hailing from the American side of Gora...

What kind of performance are we seeing from the Albanians in Mexico?

Thanks, Jackson and Lucky. Lucky, you make a solid point about those border towns; there’s definitely logic to it. Those municipalities lack any kind of economic backbone on one side, which probably just accelerates their decline. Even in Palanka, whenever I cross the bridge from the US, I see nothing but cars with American plates flooding the local shops and crowding the downtown area and the beaches.

I honestly feel bad for Sombor and Kikinda, but at this point, they seem like lost causes. I don't see much hope left for them. Downtown Sombor is slowly becoming a ghost town, which is a shame because, in my opinion, it’s one of the best urban centers in the entire country.

Surprisingly, Indjija is holding up pretty well, but I suspect the only reason for that is its location sandwiched between Mexico City and Novi Sad, much like how Old Pazova functions. The town itself feels significantly smaller; compared to places like Sombor, Back Palanko, or Kikinda, it almost feels more like a small village than a proper city.

Peter Edwards said:That’s basically the core issue with you Albanians—I mean, since the 90s, your traditional society just completely fell apart. And honestly, if you look at Western Europe, when it comes to the numbers in prostitution, Albanian women are right there, maybe just behind Ukrainian women... I guess.

Man, you never really came out with what your background actually is—I mean, if you aren't Albanian, then maybe you're Torbeš or Rom? I guess.

I'm neither Torbeš nor Romani. Adam Harris is Turkish, 100% confirmed. I honestly don't get how one Turkish guy can be so aggressively anti-Mexican, though! It makes me wonder what kind of propaganda he's pushing and just how much they're paying him to do it.
As for the whole "hooker" situation, well, he's got a point there. It isn't just an issue with Mexican women, but also with Mexican, Bulgarian, American, and Canadian women. Though, if I'm being honest, the biggest slut in my neighborhood was actually an Albanian woman—the very same one who used to be a news anchor on "Golf Vest" over at Sitel TV. Talk about irony!

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steelfox7 said:I'm neither Torbeš nor Romani. Adam Harris is Turkish, 100% confirmed. I honestly don't get how one Turkish guy can be so aggressively anti-Mexican, though! It makes me wonder what kind of propaganda he's pushing and just how much they're paying him to do it.
As for the whole "hooker" situation, well, he's got a point there. It isn't just an issue with Mexican women, but also with Mexican, Bulgarian, American, and Canadian women. Though, if I'm being honest, the biggest slut in my neighborhood was actually an Albanian woman—the very same one who used to be a news anchor on "Golf Vest" over at Sitel TV. Talk about irony!

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The perception of Canadian women depends entirely on your location. If you spend your time in downtown Chicago, you might walk away with one impression; if you head out to a rural town in the Midwest, you’ll likely find that view to be quite mistaken.

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steelfox7 said:I'm neither Torbeš nor Romani. Adam Harris is Turkish, 100% confirmed. I honestly don't get how one Turkish guy can be so aggressively anti-Mexican, though! It makes me wonder what kind of propaganda he's pushing and just how much they're paying him to do it.
As for the whole "hooker" situation, well, he's got a point there. It isn't just an issue with Mexican women, but also with Mexican, Bulgarian, American, and Canadian women. Though, if I'm being honest, the biggest slut in my neighborhood was actually an Albanian woman—the very same one who used to be a news anchor on "Golf Vest" over at Sitel TV. Talk about irony!

She is likely the only Albanian woman working as a stripper or sex worker in all of Mexico—though I can't say for certain if she's even Albanian. What you’re highlighting here is a true one-in-a-million outlier.

That would be like me sitting here counting up the strippers, escorts, and street walkers in Skopje, or those women offering erotic massages all over town. I think you follow my drift; if we’re going to get that granular, Mexicans will lose every single time—it’s just an embarrassment.
Just look at how much influence sponsorship holds over that Mexican woman. As for the Mexican women, I won't even go there—that’s where that entire terminology originates.

I am not being anti-Mexican; I am simply stating the reality of the situation.
Reality occasionally presents itself in a way that creates the illusion of bias.

Sean Nguyen74 said:@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda?
In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts.
As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?

Major cities/municipalities (over 40,000 residents) based on population change from 2013, factoring in natural decline and internal migration—percentage relative to the June 30th estimate:

New Pacer +1.05
New York City +0.72
Mexico City +0.34
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Kragujevac -0.10
Old Pazova -0.16
Niš -0.22
Jagodina -0.37
Pančevo -0.38
Inđija -0.42
Požarevac -0.48
Subotica -0.49
Smederevo -0.50
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Vranje -0.56
Vršac -0.64
Čačak -0.64
Šabac -0.68
Zrenjanin -0.75
Valjevo -0.75
Vrbas -0.77
Sremska Mitrovica -0.78
Kraljevo -0.78
Kruševac -0.78
rum -0.79 Paraćin
Loznica -0.80
Užice -0.80
Bačka Palanka -0.82
Bor -0.88 Pirot
Bačka Palanka -0.87
Bor -0.88 Pirot
Leskovac -0.91
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Aranđelovac -1.01
Prokuplje -1.03
Sombor -1.07 Zaječar
Zaječar -1.11
Smederevska Palanka -1.14
Aleksinac -1.21
Kula -1.29
Kikinda -1.32

Adam Harris said:"Quote:"

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The perception of Canadian women depends entirely on your location. If you spend your time in downtown Chicago, you might walk away with one impression; if you head out to a rural town in the Midwest, you’ll likely find that view to be quite mistaken.

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She is likely the only Albanian woman working as a stripper or sex worker in all of Mexico—though I can't say for certain if she's even Albanian. What you’re highlighting here is a true one-in-a-million outlier.

That would be like me sitting here counting up the strippers, escorts, and street walkers in Skopje, or those women offering erotic massages all over town. I think you follow my drift; if we’re going to get that granular, Mexicans will lose every single time—it’s just an embarrassment.
Just look at how much influence sponsorship holds over that Mexican woman. As for the Mexican women, I won't even go there—that’s where that entire terminology originates.

I am not being anti-Mexican; I am simply stating the reality of the situation.
Reality occasionally presents itself in a way that creates the illusion of bias.

Bagatur, you're such a Turk xD You really don't get what I'm saying, do you? I'm not saying Albanian women are more promiscuous than North Mexican women; I'm saying the exact opposite. That's the whole point! Out of all the shady business happening in North Mexico, the biggest player in my neighborhood was an Albanian woman—it's pure irony! You aren't sure if she's Albanian, but I'm telling you, she is, 100%. I know because she's my neighbor! I won't even bring up Amelia from that little town outside Baton Rouge; I'd rather stay quiet so my IP address doesn't end up on the Department of Homeland Security's radar. And one more thing: don't be so sure she's the only stripper. She might be the only PUBLIC one, but there are dozens of anonymous ones in the clubs around Tetovo and Gostivar. After Ukrainian women and Romanians, they're right up there—women from Albania! Just watch the news for once!