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Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#1 ·
I noticed that I’ve been hit with a partial ban from the "Messages, Complaints, and Comments" subforum—and honestly, without any prior notice or even a shred of explanation to back it up.

Under the new rule of the organization, the minimum duration for a partial ban has been set at six months. Beyond that, the procedure for lifting a partial ban is clearly laid out:If you find yourself under a partial ban from the organization's moderators, you actually have the right to reach out via private message once that period is up. Whether your restriction was set for six months or twelve, or if you were looking at a year-long stint following a permanent partial ban, you can submit a request to have it lifted once the term expires. I guess it’s just the standard procedure—once the clock runs out, the door is open to ask for a clean slate.".

In my case, both of these rules were violated—neither have the minimum six months passed, nor have I actually reached out to anyone with a request or appeal regarding the lifting of my partial ban.

So, I’m left wondering if this is just some massive administrative blunder—or perhaps some sort of sudden "act of mercy"—where they decide to bypass every single standard operating procedure just to scrap my partial ban out of thin air.

I still maintain that my partial ban was nothing more than a direct result of a few individuals within various levels of the forum administration losing their cool—it was purely personal. In my view—and I suspect I’m not alone in thinking this—this ban was handed down in total defiance of both the established forum guidelines and the organization's rules. There wasn't a single warning issued beforehand; I didn't insult anyone (not even when responding to insults directed at me) on the forum or anywhere else, I stayed strictly on topic, and I certainly wasn't trolling. To put it bluntly, I believe this partial ban was simply a way to silence me because they lacked the ability to actually shut me down with logic or sound arguments.

Look, if that unfortunate partial ban was handed down in total violation of the rules that were actually in place at the time, I’d ask that it eventually be overturned once we start applying today's standards—specifically, once the minimum six-month period has passed and I formally submit a request for its removal. Until then, I’d ask that it be reinstated, and honestly, I’ll leave that entirely up to the discretion of whoever issued it.

I’m going to use this post just to add a few brief sentences to that "Messages, Complaints, COMMENTS" PDF—it’s honestly just... I don't know, I feel compelled to say it. Like many others, I am truly, deeply sorry for everything that has transpired—for everything that has happened, and for everyone who was caught up in those events. It provides me absolutely zero comfort to say that I predicted many of these developments before they actually unfolded; if anything, it's quite a heavy burden to carry. Trust me, I would much rather use my little "prophetic" insights for something significantly more pleasant than this. 😍Unfortunately, it was just an attempt. I guess I’ll just stay quiet then. "Peace, peace, nobody is to blame"—the lifting of my partial ban is just one more facet of the underlying issues here. The core problem remains that mistakes—unfounded points, insults, punishable sentences, blatant hate speech, mockery, partial bans, or suggesting that dissatisfied users simply find some other forum better suited to them—are never acknowledged, even under the most extreme circumstances. Instead, they are met with total silence, showing zero willingness to engage in actual dialogue. They just use these convenient little excuses like "unconstructiveness," "excessive persistence," or "advocating" as unquestionable tools to shut down any discussion. It’s all done under the guise of showing "goodwill" (yeah, right!), while in reality, they just delete posts to wipe away the evidence.

It honestly pains me to see how so many sincerely well-intentioned comments have been misread as being driven by someone's narrow, personal agendas—though I find myself wondering exactly whose interests we’re even talking about here. People have gone so far as to invent these imaginary "clans" or factions—groups that, ironically, consist of people who can barely stand one another, to begin with—and then assign them all sorts of shady motives (again, I have to ask: what motives, really?). If there had been even a slight willingness to actually listen, a great deal of what has happened—and what continues to happen—could have been avoided entirely.

I’m fully aware that this post might land me right in the crosshairs of the moderators—you know, the usual cycle of bans, being blacklisted, or just getting hit with endless sarcasm and insults—all because of what seems like an unquestionable, yet in reality, completely murky objective within the "where to go forum."There is actually a very specific sub-forum designed for this—it isn't meant for those vague, rambling, general discussions that seem to go nowhere, but rather serves as a dedicated space specifically so that... I’m open to any good ideas or constructive criticism you might have—though, honestly, I’d prefer if we kept things productive. Honestly, I think this forum has truly evolved—it’s become better, more engaging, and just overall higher quality than it used to be. It’s essentially just a subjective call on who is actually being constructive and who isn't—which is inherently vague and undefined to begin with. And honestly, whose bright idea was it to allow these kinds of generalized discussions in the first place? No. Can I offer some constructive criticism here? It seems to me—though I might be overstepping—that the responsibility for addressing these issues lies squarely with the very people who are being called out for them.

Furthermore, there is this perfectly embedded catch in the rules—Rule 22, if you will: discussions aren't allowed to be general or vague; they have to be specific. And, because of that, no one from the "outside" is permitted to participate, since that would count as advocacy. Essentially, the only permissible format is "individual versus administration."

That said, for my part, it’s enough just knowing that I am—and I truly believe this—well-intentioned and constructive. I'm not part of any snobbish little "clique," I don't have any ulterior motives, and—last but not least—I know quite clearly that I could have been incredibly useful, if only certain egos hadn't gotten in the way, or if people had actually bothered to read what I was really saying.

So, no, thank you.
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#2 ·
I was actually just getting ready to draft a press release. There was some discussion a few days ago regarding what we should do about those old partial bans within the organization. As of today, the partial bans have been lifted for everyone.
However, if you'd like, I can certainly pass along your request to reinstate the partial ban.
Nicholas King Nicholas King RegularOP
716 messages
joined Jan 2023
#3 ·
mistywolf17 said:I was actually just getting ready to draft a press release. There was some discussion a few days ago regarding what we should do about those old partial bans within the organization. As of today, the partial bans have been lifted for everyone.
However, if you'd like, I can certainly pass along your request to reinstate the partial ban.

My apologies, but I am certainly not asking for a reinstatement of a partial ban. What I actually requested was that—should any decision be made to remove the current restrictions—it should at least respect the established forum rules, which have clearly been violated.

Those two things are absolutely not the same.
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#4 ·
There's really no need to insist that any rules were broken. Everything mentioned is actually covered under those same regulations. Given that it’s only a delay of a couple of days, I suppose it all works out in the end.
The partial bans within the organization have been lifted, so the new rule of the organization applies to all forum members equally now.
I hope I've made myself clear enough this time.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#5 ·
mistywolf17 said:I was actually just getting ready to draft a press release. There was some discussion a few days ago regarding what we should do about those old partial bans within the organization. As of today, the partial bans have been lifted for everyone.
However, if you'd like, I can certainly pass along your request to reinstate the partial ban.

You're lying.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#6 ·
Easy there, Tyler Grant76, no need to go straight for the insults. You can always find a nicer way to say it if someone got overlooked.
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#7 ·
I thought I should probably make a specific note regarding these kinds of situations—aside from those who were just overlooked, which is an easy fix. The thing is, there isn't a centralized list anywhere detailing all the partial bans.
Who was missed, Tyler Grant76?
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#8 ·
wiredangler5 said:Easy there, Tyler Grant76, no need to go straight for the insults. You can always find a nicer way to say it if someone got overlooked.

I'm pretty sure nothing was missed. And maybe watch that tone with our colleague. This feels less like an accident and more like, well, just messing around:

mistywolf17 said:There’s really no point in insisting that rules were broken. It all falls under those same rules anyway.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#9 ·
mistywolf17 said:I thought I should probably make a specific note regarding these kinds of situations—aside from those who were just overlooked, which is an easy fix. The thing is, there isn't a centralized list anywhere detailing all the partial bans.
Who was missed, Tyler Grant76?

mistywolf17, honey, you're the one being so dramatic about this, so I assume you actually know who has a partial ban from the organization 😬 And it's not like you can't ask someone else before just jumping in to answer Byron.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#10 ·
Tyler Grant76 said:I'm pretty sure nothing was missed. And maybe watch that tone with our colleague. This feels less like an accident and more like, well, just messing around:


You have my word that nobody was left out on purpose. We made a real effort to make sure everyone gets their partials. Since you can't see at a glance who still needs them for a specific PDF—you basically have to check and download everything manually—it’s really easy to miss someone. There's no need for that kind of attitude. It wouldn't be much more helpful if you just let us know who was missed instead.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#11 ·
Who actually benefits from this?

To me, this rudeness from mistywolf17 is just proof that everything else remains exactly the same. I guess the administrators surely know which oversight they missed.
mistywolf17 mistywolf17 Active Member
67 messages
joined May 2007
#12 ·
Tyler Grant76 said:mistywolf17, honey, you're the one being so dramatic about this, so I assume you actually know who has a partial ban from the organization 😬 And it's not like you can't ask someone else before just jumping in to answer Byron.

Thanks for speaking on Byron's behalf and claiming I'm messing with him, even though that isn't true at all. It's noted.
As for the majority, I've already stated there is no list. Not even in my own notebook.
If someone was overlooked, they should just speak up.
There. A very simple fix.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#13 ·
mistywolf17 said:Thanks for speaking on Byron's behalf and claiming I'm messing with him, even though that isn't true at all. It's noted.
As for the majority, I've already stated there is no list. Not even in my own notebook.
If someone was overlooked, they should just speak up.
There. A very simple fix.


Just settle it among yourselves; that's probably the easiest way.
I didn't say you were messing with Byron. That would be advocacy. 😬 You're messing with me. Honestly, you're messing with every user here. Feel free to explain your own words from the quote, if you can.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#14 ·
Tyler Grant76 said:Who actually benefits from this?

To me, this rudeness from mistywolf17 is just proof that everything else remains exactly the same. I guess the administrators surely know which oversight they missed.

I guess it benefits whoever was forgotten. It's weird that you don't see the logic in what I'm saying. It feels like you're just posting this to attack mistywolf17. Either say who was left out or there's really no point in typing this all out.
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#15 ·
mistywolf17 said:Thanks for speaking on Byron's behalf and claiming I'm messing with him, even though that isn't true at all. It's noted.
As for the majority, I've already stated there is no list. Not even in my own notebook.
If someone was overlooked, they should just speak up.
There. A very simple fix.

Wait, holy crap, I almost missed this; are you actually inviting him to clone himself or just asking him to slide into your DMs? What’s the real motive here?
Tyler Grant76 Tyler Grant76 Active Member
79 messages
joined May 2009
#16 ·
wiredangler5 said:I guess it benefits whoever was forgotten. It's weird that you don't see the logic in what I'm saying. It feels like you're just posting this to attack mistywolf17. Either say who was left out or there's really no point in typing this all out.

Just delete it then, wipe the slate clean—it's not the first time, I guess. 🤷 Just like how someone else's premature Christmas Eve log celebrations were conveniently swept under the rug.
wiredangler5 wiredangler5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Mar 2013
#17 ·
Alright, you made your point, and I think we should leave it at that. 🙂
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
201 messages
joined Oct 2013
#18 ·
Gosh, what a mess, Tyler Grant76. Honestly, instead of dropping all those pointless posts that didn't actually accomplish anything, you really should have just given me the username of the person who was forgotten so we could fix the mistake if there even was one.
The way I see it, you basically just turned this whole thread into Tyler Grant76 versus mistywolf17.
boldwalker12 boldwalker12 Active Member
101 messages
joined Jul 2010
#19 ·
northernpilot2 said:Gosh, what a mess, Tyler Grant76. Honestly, instead of dropping all those pointless posts that didn't actually accomplish anything, you really should have just given me the username of the person who was forgotten so we could fix the mistake if there even was one.
The way I see it, you basically just turned this whole thread into Tyler Grant76 versus mistywolf17.

So what, she should get a strike, a ban, or a partial suspension just because she said "other people's bans aren't my business"?
northernpilot2 northernpilot2 Active Member
201 messages
joined Oct 2013
#20 ·
I mean, honestly, I feel like this whole thing could’ve been wrapped up right here if Tyler Grant76 had just given a straight answer about who that user was, you know? Like, she was the one who jumped into the thread in the first place, so it's a pretty fair question to ask her.

mistywolf17 said:I thought I should probably add a disclaimer for situations like this—basically, besides the ones that were just overlooked, which is easy enough to fix. The thing is, there isn't actually a master list anywhere for all the partial bans.
So, who exactly got overlooked, Tyler Grant76?

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