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feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active MemberOP
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Nevermore! 😍

So, there was this progressive—well, sort of progressive—metal outfit that basically crawled out of the wreckage after that heavy metal band broke up. Sanctuary It’s 1991, man. Honestly, it felt like some of the guys in Sanctuary were basically just wannabe hipsters who decided they suddenly needed to play grunge just to stay relevant, and that’s exactly why the whole band went straight to hell. Warrel Dane (vocals), Jeff Loomis (guitar), Jim Sheppard (bass) So, they ended up splitting from the band to get Nevermore off the ground. Honestly, if you go back and listen to those two Sanctuary albums from the 80s—I'm talking about Refuge Denied and Into the Mirror Black—they’re actually pretty solid. Not just "okay" for the era, but genuinely good stuff.

Aside from the core Nevermore lineup we already talked about, you've also got... Van Williams (drums) It’s me, Attila Vörös—just handling the guitar duties for the live shows.

Studio albums:
  • Nevermore (1995) The Politics of Ecstasy
  • So, I’ve been sitting here thinking about Nevermore (1995) The Politics of Ecstasy, and man, looking back at it now, it really hits differently than it did when it first dropped. It’s one of those albums where you can practically feel the dark, heavy atmosphere creeping up on you from the very first note. You know that feeling when a band is right on the edge of something massive? That’s exactly where they were here. They weren't just playing metal; they were crafting this intricate, almost suffocating sonic landscape that felt way ahead of its time. It’s got that specific grit—that perfect blend of technicality and raw, unbridled emotion—that makes it stand out even among the heavy hitters of that era. It's less like listening to a collection of songs and more like being pulled into a deep, swirling vortex of sound that you didn't realize you were drowning in until it was too late. Just pure, unadulterated brilliance.
  • So, I was sitting around thinking about the early days, specifically that 1996 EP, In Memory. You know, those formative years where everything feels raw and unpolished before the massive studio budgets take over? It’s funny how looking back at an EP like In Memory hits differently than listening to a full-length record. It’s like revisiting a demo tape you found in a dusty corner of a garage in Seattle—it’s got that specific, gritty energy that just doesn't always carry over once the production gets too "clean." There’s a certain magic in those early tracks, a sense of searching for a sound that hasn't quite solidified yet, which honestly makes it more interesting to me than some of the more polished stuff they put out later. It’s pure, unfiltered momentum.
  • Man, I was just sitting here thinking about how much of a massive, atmospheric gut-punch *Dreaming Neon Black* is. Even looking back at it from where we are now, that 2000 release still hits like a freight train coming straight out of nowhere. It’s one of those albums where you don't just listen to the music; you sort of drown in it, if that makes sense? It’s got this incredibly heavy, melancholic weight that most bands try to fake, but Nevermore actually lived it. It isn't just "sad metal"—it’s this deep, swirling vortex of technical precision and raw, bleeding emotion that feels almost too intimate to handle sometimes. It’s like being caught in a thunderstorm in the middle of a Pacific Northwest forest where everything is dark, damp, and beautiful in a way that actually hurts. You know what I mean? Some bands write songs, but this record built an entire world of sorrow and then locked the door behind you.
  • Man, looking back at Enemies of Reality (2003), it’s wild how much that record still hits. It’s one of those albums where you can really hear the band tightening the screws, moving away from some of the more experimental vibes and just leaning into that heavy, technical precision they were becoming famous for. It feels like a bridge between their older, raw stuff and the absolute polished powerhouse they became later on. You listen to tracks from that era and it's like watching a high-performance muscle car transition from a garage project into a professional drag racer—suddenly everything is tuned, the timing is perfect, and it just tears up the asphalt. There's a certain grit there that isn't present in their later, more produced work, but the musicianship is undeniably top-tier. It's easily one of my favorite deep cuts from their discography.
  • Man, I was just sitting here thinking about how much of a massive, technical beast *This Godless Endeavor* still is. Even decades after it dropped back in 2005, it feels like this absolute monolith of an album that most modern metal bands can't even touch without sounding like they're just playing scales. It’s one of those rare records where the complexity doesn't feel like it's just there to show off—it actually serves the song, which is a miracle considering how many layers of madness Jeff Loomis managed to weave into the tracks. It’s like trying to follow a high-speed chase through the streets of Chicago while someone is simultaneously explaining advanced calculus to you; it's intense, overwhelming, but honestly? You don't want it to stop. Every time I revisit it, I find some tiny, intricate detail in the riffage or a drum fill from Van Williams that I completely missed before. It’s just pure, unadulterated mastery.
  • Man, looking back at The Obsidian Conspiracy from 2010 really takes me on a trip, doesn't it? It’s one of those albums that sits right in that sweet spot where you can hear the band really tightening the screws on their technicality without losing that raw, heavy edge they were known for. It feels like a massive leap forward from the earlier stuff, almost like they finally stopped fighting the complexity and just embraced it, turning all that intricate riffage into something that flows with a kind of dark, calculated momentum. You listen to tracks like "The Obsidian Conspiracy" and you can just feel the sheer weight of the musicianship behind it—it's precise, it's aggressive, and honestly, it's just incredibly satisfying if you're into that specific brand of heavy. It wasn't just about being fast for the sake of being fast; there was a sense of purpose to every note, a deliberate architecture to the chaos that makes it stand out even years later. It’s definitely one of those records that stays in your head, making you wonder how much more intense they could have possibly gotten.


Look, there’s really no point in me trying to sit here and break down exactly how the band sounds—I could talk your ear off about it, but why bother? Just save yourself the lecture and hit these links instead; give them a listen and judge for yourself.

I mean, honestly, when you really sit down and dive back into This Sacrament Beyond Within Dreaming, it’s almost overwhelming how much layers there are to peel back. It isn't just some collection of songs; it feels like this massive, swirling vortex of sound that pulls you in before you even realize you're losing your grip on reality. It’s one of those rare instances where the technicality doesn't feel like it's just showing off for the sake of ego—it actually serves the atmosphere, which is everything. You know that feeling when you're driving through a thunderstorm on a lonely stretch of highway outside of Seattle, just completely lost in the rhythm of the wipers and the lightning, and suddenly everything feels heavy and profound? That’s exactly what hitting play on this record feels like. It’s dense, it’s moody, and it refuses to play by the rules of whatever mainstream garbage is being pushed on us lately.
This Sacrament Beyond Within Dreaming
You know, I was just sitting here thinking about Dreaming Neon Black, and man, it really hits different when you stop to actually sit with it. It’s one of those records that doesn't just play in the background while you're doing dishes or driving down the interstate; it demands your full attention, like a heavy fog rolling in over the Pacific Northwest that just swallows everything whole. There's this specific, haunting atmosphere they captured—it’s dark, sure, but it’s not just "scary" dark. It’s that deep, existential, soul-crushing kind of darkness that makes you feel like you're staring into an abyss in the middle of a deserted Montana forest at midnight. Everything about the songwriting feels so intentional, so layered, where the riffs aren't just there to shred, but to build this massive, suffocating wall of sound that somehow still feels incredibly intimate. It’s a masterpiece of mood, honestly.
Neon Black Deconstruction
Quote: Narcosynthesis The River Dragon Has Come Your Poison Throne
Inside Four Walls The Heart
The Heart Collector
Dead Heart in a Dead World
Product This Godless
Honestly, if you sit down and really dissect This Godless Endeavor, you start to realize just how much of a technical masterpiece it actually is. It’s one of those albums that doesn't just demand your attention; it practically grabs you by the collar and forces you to pay attention to every single intricate layer they laid down. You know that feeling when you're listening to something and you realize the musicians aren't just playing notes, they're basically performing high-level mathematics with their instruments? That’s exactly what we’re dealing with here. It’s dense, it’s heavy, and it has this incredible, driving momentum that never feels forced, even when the complexity hits a fever pitch. It’s easily one of those records that defines an entire era of metal for me.
Man, I was just sitting here thinking about those old-school vibes, specifically that whole Moonrise era from Through Mirrors of Death. It’s one of those things where you realize how much everything has shifted since then, right? You listen to those tracks and it’s like stepping back into a completely different headspace, almost like finding an old Polaroid in a shoebox that somehow feels more real than anything you're looking at on a smartphone today. There's a certain weight to it, a specific kind of gravity in the music that just hits differently when you're older and actually understand what they were trying to pull off. It’s not just noise; it’s a whole atmosphere. Honestly, some days I feel like we've lost that ability to just sit with a piece of art and let it sink in without needing a million distractions. Anyway, just a random thought looping through my brain while I was killing time.

Alright, maybe I went a little overboard with the YouTube links. My bad. 😳 Look, if I go around claiming that Jeff Loomis is hands down the greatest guitarist in the metal scene, or that Warrel Dane possessed a vocal range spanning six whole octaves, nobody is going to take me seriously unless I come prepared with some actual proof. People will just look at me like I’ve lost my mind if I don't back those claims up with something tangible. 😁

So, anyway, I’ve gotta ask—what’s everyone actually thinking about the new album? Is it hitting the mark for you all, or am I just out here spinning my wheels solo? 🍿 The reviews coming in are honestly pretty lukewarm, mostly because everyone feels like this record is a massive step down in complexity compared to the last one. It’s like they expected a mathematical puzzle and instead got something much more straightforward. I’ve even seen people drawing comparisons to the Metallica Black Album, which is its own whole thing, but you get what I mean—people are looking for that dense, technical grind and feeling let down by the simplicity. 🤣 I think people are being a bit dramatic about this one; it’s not like the album is some watered-down version of what they used to be. It’s definitely not hitting that same heavy intensity as TGE, and yeah, it’s got more melody, those catchy choruses, and a bunch of shorter tracks, but at the end of the day, you can still hear that unmistakable Nevermore sound bleeding through everything. Honestly, if you ask me, it was easily my favorite release from last year, so the haters can just go kick rocks. ☕

They’re hitting the stage in Ljubljana on March 10th. 👋 👋 So, who's actually planning on showing up? Is anyone else heading out, or am I just talking to myself here? 🍿

So, here’s the setlist from those recent shows:
Quote: Narcosynthesis The River Dragon Has Come Your Poison Throne
Quote: Narcosynthesis The River Dragon Has Come Your Poison Throne
Quote: Narcosynthesis The River Dragon Has Come Your Poison Throne
Born Emptiness
Born Emptiness Unobstructed Inside Four Walls The Heart
Inside Four Walls The Heart
The Termination Proclamation
Honestly, I’ve been spinning This Godless Endeavor on loop all morning, just letting those riffs wash over me like a tidal wave, and man, it hits different every single time. It’s one of those rare records where you can practically feel the sweat and the sheer technical exhaustion pouring out of the speakers; it’s not just music, it’s more like a high-stakes athletic feat captured in audio form. You know that feeling when you're watching a championship game and everything is moving so fast you can barely process the play-by-play? That's what listening to this album feels like—it’s relentless, it’s heavy, and it never gives you a second to catch your breath. Every track feels like a calculated strike, a masterclass in how to be incredibly complex without losing that raw, visceral punch that keeps you pinned to your seat. It’s easily one of the peaks of the genre, a total standout that reminds you why we fell in love with this kind of intensity in the first place.
Moonrise (Through Mirrors of Death)
Enemies of Reality

Man, I’m not exactly walking away thrilled. It felt like they completely skipped over anything from Dreaming Neon Black or those even earlier records. But hey, I guess that’s just how it goes when you’ve got four other bands on the bill and the clock is ticking.
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#2 ·
feraltrucker5 said:They're playing in Ljubljana on March 10th. 👋 👋 Is anyone planning to head out? 🍿.


😢

That would probably be at least $133 which I don't have right now, and I won't have any in five days either.

Does anyone know who is handling bass duties now, given that Jim Sheppard recently had surgery?

On topic: for years, I was arguably the most loyal Nevermore fan out there 👋 and I still love them. Warrel Dane is still fantastic, though I can't help but feel his voice has been trokirati just a little bit over the last year or so.

I think they are absolutely beautiful and wonderful. 🙂

Okay, regarding the latest album. It isn't bad, per se, but in my eyes, their absolute pinnacle remains DHDW and especially TGE. This one feels catchy and very much "Nevermore," but it doesn't quite reach that orgasmic level for me.
It follows that signature Nevermore sound that stretches back to EOR; in fact, those three—EOR, DHDW, and TGE—are easily my top three albums of theirs.

Loomis is a total legend, and both his and Warrel's solo projects were very impressive to me. 😁
Brenda Parker5 Brenda Parker5 Active Member
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#3 ·
They’re a solid band, no doubt about it! Personally, I’d put their self-titled or TGE at the top—it's been a minute since 2005. And yeah, I totally agree about that Loomis-like style; the guy just lives and breathes death metal. Plus, if I remember correctly, the current Cannibalalians guitarist, Pat O'Brien, used to be in the band too—he's the one on guitar... uhhh🙏
@Chloe Green61—back in 2005 during that show in Ljubljana, Dane's vocals were pretty rough. I mean, they were okay, but definitely below what I was expecting. Maybe he's improved over the last six years or something? xDD. Also, from what people were saying, the guy's a total hard drinker and has been dealing with depression for years, so he looked a little buzzed on stage.
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active MemberOP
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#4 ·
Chloe Green61 said:Does anyone actually know who’s holding down the bass now that Jim Sheppard had his surgery recently?

Dagna Barrer. She’s a woman, wearing an Opeth shirt, playing in Nevermore—dammit, if only she had some curves. 😢 Like, just a little bit of chest and she’d be perfect. 😁

I still love them; Warrel Dane is still incredible, though it feels to me like his voice has been trokirati a bit over the last year or so.

His voice starts to trokirati when he doesn't eat properly and then storms onto the stage dealing with hypoglycemia; he's actually messed up a few shows because of it. Hopefully, he'll manage to grab a decent meal once they get to Canada. 🙂

He's chasing that classic Nevermore sound that carries through from EOR, which honestly are my top three albums by them (EOR, DHDW, TGE).

Personally, I've always seen EOR as a bit of a black sheep. 🤷 I think I'm still carrying some trauma from the original pressing which had such abysmal production; the remastered version sounds way better.

Jacob Lopez51 said:And besides, the guy's been open about being a heavy drinker and struggling with depression for years, so he looks pretty wasted on stage.

Look, it's totally possible he showed up drunk once or twice, but man, it is soooo easy to mistake hypoglycemia symptoms for being intoxicated. It isn't exactly fair to point the finger at a sick person and call them a drunk. 🤷

As for the depression part, that's obvious—there's no way someone with a sunny disposition could have written Dreaming Neon Black. 🤣
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#5 ·
Dejn hasn't touched a drop in maybe a year or two—I can't say for certain, honestly. If his vocals are progressively going down the drain just because he decided to quit drinking, then I’d say he should probably get right back to the booze 😳
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#6 ·
feraltrucker5 said:Dagna Barrer A woman wearing an Opeth shirt playing in Nevermore? Well, damn. No curves in sight. 😢 Honestly, if we could just get some decent boobs into the mix, everything would be absolutely perfect. 😁

God, what a mess—and now we’ve got Attila Vörös thrown into the mix as well. Just wonderful.🙂🙂

You poor thing, you really are a handful for even the Almighty.

feraltrucker5 said:He absolutely wrecks his own voice whenever he fails to stick to his diet, and it’s led to him crashing onto the stage mid-set with hypoglycemia more than a few times. It’s actually ruined several shows. Hopefully, he manages to get a decent meal in while he's out in Canada. 🙂


Is it possible he developed diabetes simply because he spent two years living and breathing metal? 😁

I was reading this interview once where they were dissecting how depressive his lyrics can get. Honestly? I don't think the man is actually depressed himself. It feels more like he’s just venting—purging all that raw emotion through his songwriting to clear his head. Plus, let’s be real: everyone knows he’s basically an old-school goth at heart. 😁
hollowsailor48 hollowsailor48 Member
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#7 ·
Nevermore🙂

These guys are insanely talented musicians 🙏

Warrel Dane has such an incredible range; he hits those notes without ever breaking a sweat. Honestly, his solo work is top-tier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0yhRIySAA
😍
Brenda Parker5 Brenda Parker5 Active Member
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#8 ·
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd_P1-zRUNA
Man, you're a legend!🙏
hollowsailor48 hollowsailor48 Member
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#9 ·
Jacob Lopez51 said:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd_P1-zRUNA
Pure genius!🙏

You can truly feel the spirit of Jason Becker in this. 😁
briskcrane52 briskcrane52 Member
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#10 ·
What an incredible band; I stumbled upon them by chance and ended up having "The Heart Collector" on constant repeat for weeks.
I find myself leaning toward their older albums, though maybe that’s just because they were the first ones I ever heard and I’ve lost count of how many times I've played them. 🤷 If you're forcing me to pick a favorite, then it has to be dead Heart in a dead World.

Unfortunately, a trip to Vienna isn't in the budget right now, especially since I just spent last week seeing Apocalyptica live..
For those of you actually planning to go, do yourself a favor and book your tickets here if you want to snag a better deal. 😉
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#11 ·
I have that reservation all set, but unfortunately, my bank account is looking a little thin right now 😁 🙂
fadedrider17 fadedrider17 Member
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#12 ·
Are they touring alongside Symphony X?

Something about this band just doesn't click for me—maybe it’s because I’m a purist when it comes to straight-up progressive metal, I don't know...
Angela Martinez4 Angela Martinez4 Member
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#13 ·
It’s been a minute since I actually sat down and listened to them... but then I stumbled upon the music video for i Voyager
and, man, it hit me. Now they're back on my playlist 🙂
Seriously though—what a killer band!
Edward Hernandez332 Edward Hernandez332 Active Member
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fadedrider17 said:Are they playing with Symphony X?

I feel like there’s just... something missing with this band—maybe it’s because I’m strictly a purist when it comes to prog rock, I don't know...

Psychotic Waltz, Symphony X, Nevermore, and Mercenary blood 👋
It’s been way too long since I’ve hit a live show, so honestly, the hype is starting to kick in.😁
fadedrider17 fadedrider17 Member
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#15 ·
Honestly, I’d much rather pick Whitesnake or Judas Priest if they were playing in Vienna—assuming someone actually steps up to foot the bill... though, hey, you could also throw in Rush in Frankfurt... or even Dream Theater in Rome. Now we're talking!
Edward Hernandez332 Edward Hernandez332 Active Member
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#16 ·
fadedrider17 said:Look, if I’m choosing between Whitesnake and Judas Priest in Vienna—who’s actually footing the bill for all that? Plus there's Rush in Frankfurt... and then Dream Theater in Rome. Man!

I’ve got transportation sorted for the trip to Vienna, $17so honestly, it’s worth it—otherwise, I wouldn't even bother because of the cost. As for DT, I have zero intention of seeing them again unless they play a new venue over in Zameti.😁
fadedrider17 fadedrider17 Member
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#17 ·
Wait, what was the exact date for that concert again?
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#18 ·
10.3.

They’ll be back, mark my words. They’re only just hitting their forties, and honestly, even the younger crowd seems to be gravitating toward them lately. 🙂
Jason Morgan Jason Morgan Active Member
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#19 ·
A very happy birthday to the one and only Warrel Dane! 🙂 🙂
feraltrucker5 feraltrucker5 Active MemberOP
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#20 ·
briskcrane52 said:For anyone planning to show up, my best advice is to grab your tickets here because you'll snag a better deal. 😉

$25? Tickets at the Zion Madison Square Garden are like $30 😠.

Edward Hernandez332 said:Psychotic Waltz, Symphony X, Nevermore and Mercenary 👋
It’s been way too long since I’ve hit a live show, so honestly, the hype is starting to kick in 😁

I’m actually low-key terrified I’m going to pass out from boredom or get too hammered while waiting for Nevermore to take the stage. 😁 I’m just not really feeling the rest of this lineup. 🤷

Chloe Green61 said:happy birthday, warrel dane 🙂 🙂

I already sent him my well-wishes in the place where he’s actually going to see them. 🥳

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