Petition to remove Shady

coastalbison6 said:We need to get rid of rowdyhawk10 immediately. He’s just deleting posts whenever he feels like it, mostly because he can't handle anyone actually providing solid criticism regarding Islam.

The latest situation:
velvetranger5 asked where the Jews in Medina were during Muhammad's time, and my answer was:

Back then, three Jewish tribes lived in Yathrib (which was later renamed Medina); the Banu Nadir, the Banu Quariza, and the Banu Qainuga.
In 624, the Banu Nadir and Banu Qainuga tribes were forced to relocate to the Khaybar oasis.
In 627, when the Meccans (specifically the Quraysh tribe, which included Muhammad) laid siege to Medina, the Banu Quariza refused to help defend the city during the "Battle of the Trench." Following the battle, Muslims massacred all the men, and over 1,000 women and children were sold into slavery.

Then Jeffrey Sanchez7 chimed in with something like... "The Jews stabbed him (Muhammad) in the back, and now I'm being called a liar." $33 within the thread

And that's because the post sat there all day!!! So my response was:

I mean... they stabbed him in the back? How exactly did that "stabbing" look?

The issue was actually quite different. When Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622, he had nothing, so he and his followers survived by raiding caravans. The Banu Quariza clearly wasn't having any part of that, so they didn't feel bound by the Constitution of Medina.

Jeffrey Sanchez7,
I’d suggest sticking to actual historical facts.
If anyone else had used the word "Jew" in that context, rowdyhawk10 would have banned them for life.
Am I really $33 starting a whole new thread just for this little argument? 🤣 😁

Well, rowdyhawk10 went ahead and deleted everything right then!
Why? Because once Muslims run out of arguments, rowdyhawk10 steps in to scrub the evidence. It's been happening constantly over the last few weeks.
Muslims have already driven all the Jews out of the Religion sub-forum, and honestly, they were some of the best debaters we had.

rowdyhawk10 needs to be removed ASAP.

coastalbison6 said:We need to get rid of rowdyhawk10 immediately. He’s just deleting posts whenever he feels like it, mostly because he can't handle anyone actually providing solid criticism regarding Islam.

The latest situation:
velvetranger5 asked where the Jews in Medina were during Muhammad's time, and my answer was:

Back then, three Jewish tribes lived in Yathrib (which was later renamed Medina); the Banu Nadir, the Banu Quariza, and the Banu Qainuga.
In 624, the Banu Nadir and Banu Qainuga tribes were forced to relocate to the Khaybar oasis.
In 627, when the Meccans (specifically the Quraysh tribe, which included Muhammad) laid siege to Medina, the Banu Quariza refused to help defend the city during the "Battle of the Trench." Following the battle, Muslims massacred all the men, and over 1,000 women and children were sold into slavery.

Then Jeffrey Sanchez7 chimed in with something like... "The Jews stabbed him (Muhammad) in the back, and now I'm being called a liar." $33 within the thread

And that's because the post sat there all day!!! So my response was:

I mean... they stabbed him in the back? How exactly did that "stabbing" look?

The issue was actually quite different. When Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622, he had nothing, so he and his followers survived by raiding caravans. The Banu Quariza clearly wasn't having any part of that, so they didn't feel bound by the Constitution of Medina.

Jeffrey Sanchez7,
I’d suggest sticking to actual historical facts.
If anyone else had used the word "Jew" in that context, rowdyhawk10 would have banned them for life.
Am I really $33 starting a whole new thread just for this little argument? 🤣 😁

Well, rowdyhawk10 went ahead and deleted everything right then!
Why? Because once Muslims run out of arguments, rowdyhawk10 steps in to scrub the evidence. It's been happening constantly over the last few weeks.
Muslims have already driven all the Jews out of the Religion sub-forum, and honestly, they were some of the best debaters we had.

rowdyhawk10 needs to be removed ASAP.

coastalbison6 said:We need to get rid of rowdyhawk10 immediately. He’s just deleting posts whenever he feels like it, mostly because he can't handle anyone actually providing solid criticism regarding Islam.

The latest situation:
velvetranger5 asked where the Jews in Medina were during Muhammad's time, and my answer was:

Back then, three Jewish tribes lived in Yathrib (which was later renamed Medina); the Banu Nadir, the Banu Quariza, and the Banu Qainuga.
In 624, the Banu Nadir and Banu Qainuga tribes were forced to relocate to the Khaybar oasis.
In 627, when the Meccans (specifically the Quraysh tribe, which included Muhammad) laid siege to Medina, the Banu Quariza refused to help defend the city during the "Battle of the Trench." Following the battle, Muslims massacred all the men, and over 1,000 women and children were sold into slavery.

Then Jeffrey Sanchez7 chimed in with something like... "The Jews stabbed him (Muhammad) in the back, and now I'm being called a liar." $33 within the thread

And that's because the post sat there all day!!! So my response was:

I mean... they stabbed him in the back? How exactly did that "stabbing" look?

The issue was actually quite different. When Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622, he had nothing, so he and his followers survived by raiding caravans. The Banu Quariza clearly wasn't having any part of that, so they didn't feel bound by the Constitution of Medina.

Jeffrey Sanchez7,
I’d suggest sticking to actual historical facts.
If anyone else had used the word "Jew" in that context, rowdyhawk10 would have banned them for life.
Am I really $33 starting a whole new thread just for this little argument? 🤣 😁

Well, rowdyhawk10 went ahead and deleted everything right then!
Why? Because once Muslims run out of arguments, rowdyhawk10 steps in to scrub the evidence. It's been happening constantly over the last few weeks.
Muslims have already driven all the Jews out of the Religion sub-forum, and honestly, they were some of the best debaters we had.

rowdyhawk10 needs to be removed ASAP.

coastalbison6 said:We need to get rid of rowdyhawk10 immediately. He’s just deleting posts whenever he feels like it, mostly because he can't handle anyone actually providing solid criticism regarding Islam.

The latest situation:
velvetranger5 asked where the Jews in Medina were during Muhammad's time, and my answer was:

Back then, three Jewish tribes lived in Yathrib (which was later renamed Medina); the Banu Nadir, the Banu Quariza, and the Banu Qainuga.
In 624, the Banu Nadir and Banu Qainuga tribes were forced to relocate to the Khaybar oasis.
In 627, when the Meccans (specifically the Quraysh tribe, which included Muhammad) laid siege to Medina, the Banu Quariza refused to help defend the city during the "Battle of the Trench." Following the battle, Muslims massacred all the men, and over 1,000 women and children were sold into slavery.

Then Jeffrey Sanchez7 chimed in with something like... "The Jews stabbed him (Muhammad) in the back, and now I'm being called a liar." $33 within the thread

And that's because the post sat there all day!!! So my response was:

I mean... they stabbed him in the back? How exactly did that "stabbing" look?

The issue was actually quite different. When Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622, he had nothing, so he and his followers survived by raiding caravans. The Banu Quariza clearly wasn't having any part of that, so they didn't feel bound by the Constitution of Medina.

Jeffrey Sanchez7,
I’d suggest sticking to actual historical facts.
If anyone else had used the word "Jew" in that context, rowdyhawk10 would have banned them for life.
Am I really $33 starting a whole new thread just for this little argument? 🤣 😁

Well, rowdyhawk10 went ahead and deleted everything right then!
Why? Because once Muslims run out of arguments, rowdyhawk10 steps in to scrub the evidence. It's been happening constantly over the last few weeks.
Muslims have already driven all the Jews out of the Religion sub-forum, and honestly, they were some of the best debaters we had.

rowdyhawk10 needs to be removed ASAP.

coastalbison6 said:@ rowdyhawk10

Look, we aren't brothers, so let's not get insulting here. 😠
Just give me back the posts that actually make sense and stay on topic without being rude.
...And quit trying to get philosophical with me; you won't shut me up that easily.

rowdyhawk10 said:coastalbison6
Look, man, I don't think you even know what you want in your own thread, which you started yourself. Initially, you opened this topic regarding holy scriptures in general (the previous title was something like "Torah-Septuagint-Vulgate-Luther Bible... all the way to the Quran") and the introductory post is here. Then, you expressed in this post a desire to focus strictly on the authenticity of the Quran, just to narrow the scope—since things were getting too broad after Steven Clark jumped in with his analyses of the Bible. I respected your wish and asked you here if you wanted me to change the thread title (I sent you a DM about it, too). You agreed here that I should update the title, so I changed it to "Is the Quran True and Authentic?", which you approved (you confirmed this via private message). So, as it stands, this thread is specifically about the Quran (for instance, how it was recorded and preserved, whether it underwent changes, its level of authenticity, etc.). But then... the discussion drifted off-topic with this post from velvetranger52, which was off-topic because he was asking "what is the Constitution of Medina." In responding to him, you steered the conversation away from the core subject (which was the authenticity of the Quran—your own rule), and began discussing historical events that have nothing to do with the primary topic. I only deleted the off-topic posts because they didn't belong here; I haven't handed out any warnings, even though the conversation veered off course. Velvetranger52 pulled it off-topic with his question, and then you all followed suit by discussing the Constitution of Medina, the persecution of Jews, and other matters outside the scope of how the Quran was written, canonized, and preserved. Should we really let threads just wander aimlessly like that? I ask you. 🙄

So, I would say your protest is entirely groundless and unjustified. ☕

Still, I suppose it’s fine that you started this petition, as it gives the other users a chance to weigh in. If a significant number of them aren't happy with my management, then honestly, it might be better if I stepped down. It's exhausting trying to please everyone. On one hand, some Muslims (plus Enky, who seems just as unsure of what they want as you are) accuse me of being too strict with Muslims—while on the other hand, you and Chris Edwards claim I'm being too lenient and that I am "biased," to quote you.

If I were running the show, some of the Muslims would likely be satisfied enough to end their boycott of this forum. I just hope that whoever takes over doesn't let people start posting nonsense like: "a Muslim woman who marries a Catholic is no longer Muslim" or claiming that in the 21st century, it is somehow religiously justified "to kill gays..." which, frankly, is pure hate speech. This forum really needs to deal with that once and for all to ensure civilized progress and stop such evil. Additionally, those non-Muslims who aren't fans of my style will finally get a break from my supposed "imposition of Islam". 🙄

I won't be commenting further on this thread, though I suppose anyone interested in my replacement should feel free to reach out. 👋

rowdyhawk10 said:coastalbison6
Look, man, I don't think you even know what you want in your own thread, which you started yourself. Initially, you opened this topic regarding holy scriptures in general (the previous title was something like "Torah-Septuagint-Vulgate-Luther Bible... all the way to the Quran") and the introductory post is here. Then, you expressed in this post a desire to focus strictly on the authenticity of the Quran, just to narrow the scope—since things were getting too broad after Steven Clark jumped in with his analyses of the Bible. I respected your wish and asked you here if you wanted me to change the thread title (I sent you a DM about it, too). You agreed here that I should update the title, so I changed it to "Is the Quran True and Authentic?", which you approved (you confirmed this via private message). So, as it stands, this thread is specifically about the Quran (for instance, how it was recorded and preserved, whether it underwent changes, its level of authenticity, etc.). But then... the discussion drifted off-topic with this post from velvetranger52, which was off-topic because he was asking "what is the Constitution of Medina." In responding to him, you steered the conversation away from the core subject (which was the authenticity of the Quran—your own rule), and began discussing historical events that have nothing to do with the primary topic. I only deleted the off-topic posts because they didn't belong here; I haven't handed out any warnings, even though the conversation veered off course. Velvetranger52 pulled it off-topic with his question, and then you all followed suit by discussing the Constitution of Medina, the persecution of Jews, and other matters outside the scope of how the Quran was written, canonized, and preserved. Should we really let threads just wander aimlessly like that? I ask you. 🙄

So, I would say your protest is entirely groundless and unjustified. ☕

Still, I suppose it’s fine that you started this petition, as it gives the other users a chance to weigh in. If a significant number of them aren't happy with my management, then honestly, it might be better if I stepped down. It's exhausting trying to please everyone. On one hand, some Muslims (plus Enky, who seems just as unsure of what they want as you are) accuse me of being too strict with Muslims—while on the other hand, you and Chris Edwards claim I'm being too lenient and that I am "biased," to quote you.

If I were running the show, some of the Muslims would likely be satisfied enough to end their boycott of this forum. I just hope that whoever takes over doesn't let people start posting nonsense like: "a Muslim woman who marries a Catholic is no longer Muslim" or claiming that in the 21st century, it is somehow religiously justified "to kill gays..." which, frankly, is pure hate speech. This forum really needs to deal with that once and for all to ensure civilized progress and stop such evil. Additionally, those non-Muslims who aren't fans of my style will finally get a break from my supposed "imposition of Islam". 🙄

I won't be commenting further on this thread, though I suppose anyone interested in my replacement should feel free to reach out. 👋

rowdyhawk10 said:coastalbison6
Look, man, I don't think you even know what you want in your own thread, which you started yourself. Initially, you opened this topic regarding holy scriptures in general (the previous title was something like "Torah-Septuagint-Vulgate-Luther Bible... all the way to the Quran") and the introductory post is here. Then, you expressed in this post a desire to focus strictly on the authenticity of the Quran, just to narrow the scope—since things were getting too broad after Steven Clark jumped in with his analyses of the Bible. I respected your wish and asked you here if you wanted me to change the thread title (I sent you a DM about it, too). You agreed here that I should update the title, so I changed it to "Is the Quran True and Authentic?", which you approved (you confirmed this via private message). So, as it stands, this thread is specifically about the Quran (for instance, how it was recorded and preserved, whether it underwent changes, its level of authenticity, etc.). But then... the discussion drifted off-topic with this post from velvetranger52, which was off-topic because he was asking "what is the Constitution of Medina." In responding to him, you steered the conversation away from the core subject (which was the authenticity of the Quran—your own rule), and began discussing historical events that have nothing to do with the primary topic. I only deleted the off-topic posts because they didn't belong here; I haven't handed out any warnings, even though the conversation veered off course. Velvetranger52 pulled it off-topic with his question, and then you all followed suit by discussing the Constitution of Medina, the persecution of Jews, and other matters outside the scope of how the Quran was written, canonized, and preserved. Should we really let threads just wander aimlessly like that? I ask you. 🙄

So, I would say your protest is entirely groundless and unjustified. ☕

Still, I suppose it’s fine that you started this petition, as it gives the other users a chance to weigh in. If a significant number of them aren't happy with my management, then honestly, it might be better if I stepped down. It's exhausting trying to please everyone. On one hand, some Muslims (plus Enky, who seems just as unsure of what they want as you are) accuse me of being too strict with Muslims—while on the other hand, you and Chris Edwards claim I'm being too lenient and that I am "biased," to quote you.

If I were running the show, some of the Muslims would likely be satisfied enough to end their boycott of this forum. I just hope that whoever takes over doesn't let people start posting nonsense like: "a Muslim woman who marries a Catholic is no longer Muslim" or claiming that in the 21st century, it is somehow religiously justified "to kill gays..." which, frankly, is pure hate speech. This forum really needs to deal with that once and for all to ensure civilized progress and stop such evil. Additionally, those non-Muslims who aren't fans of my style will finally get a break from my supposed "imposition of Islam". 🙄

I won't be commenting further on this thread, though I suppose anyone interested in my replacement should feel free to reach out. 👋

rowdyhawk10 said:coastalbison6
Look, man, I don't think you even know what you want in your own thread, which you started yourself. Initially, you opened this topic regarding holy scriptures in general (the previous title was something like "Torah-Septuagint-Vulgate-Luther Bible... all the way to the Quran") and the introductory post is here. Then, you expressed in this post a desire to focus strictly on the authenticity of the Quran, just to narrow the scope—since things were getting too broad after Steven Clark jumped in with his analyses of the Bible. I respected your wish and asked you here if you wanted me to change the thread title (I sent you a DM about it, too). You agreed here that I should update the title, so I changed it to "Is the Quran True and Authentic?", which you approved (you confirmed this via private message). So, as it stands, this thread is specifically about the Quran (for instance, how it was recorded and preserved, whether it underwent changes, its level of authenticity, etc.). But then... the discussion drifted off-topic with this post from velvetranger52, which was off-topic because he was asking "what is the Constitution of Medina." In responding to him, you steered the conversation away from the core subject (which was the authenticity of the Quran—your own rule), and began discussing historical events that have nothing to do with the primary topic. I only deleted the off-topic posts because they didn't belong here; I haven't handed out any warnings, even though the conversation veered off course. Velvetranger52 pulled it off-topic with his question, and then you all followed suit by discussing the Constitution of Medina, the persecution of Jews, and other matters outside the scope of how the Quran was written, canonized, and preserved. Should we really let threads just wander aimlessly like that? I ask you. 🙄

So, I would say your protest is entirely groundless and unjustified. ☕

Still, I suppose it’s fine that you started this petition, as it gives the other users a chance to weigh in. If a significant number of them aren't happy with my management, then honestly, it might be better if I stepped down. It's exhausting trying to please everyone. On one hand, some Muslims (plus Enky, who seems just as unsure of what they want as you are) accuse me of being too strict with Muslims—while on the other hand, you and Chris Edwards claim I'm being too lenient and that I am "biased," to quote you.

If I were running the show, some of the Muslims would likely be satisfied enough to end their boycott of this forum. I just hope that whoever takes over doesn't let people start posting nonsense like: "a Muslim woman who marries a Catholic is no longer Muslim" or claiming that in the 21st century, it is somehow religiously justified "to kill gays..." which, frankly, is pure hate speech. This forum really needs to deal with that once and for all to ensure civilized progress and stop such evil. Additionally, those non-Muslims who aren't fans of my style will finally get a break from my supposed "imposition of Islam". 🙄

I won't be commenting further on this thread, though I suppose anyone interested in my replacement should feel free to reach out. 👋

rowdyhawk10 said:That is a malicious falsehood and a total fabrication. The Jews left the sub-forum because of their own internal conflicts—specifically a nasty disagreement with a user named unknown—and actually, many people including myself have been calling for them to return. We’ve reached out through private messages and publicly quite often, much like here. Personally, I would certainly love to see them come back; even though we had some heated debates in the past, people mature and ought to forgive one another... if only for the sake of peace and better understanding, let alone mutual love and coexistence, which is what God calls all believers to practice. I actually stay in touch with some of them via phone. I especially think my dear friend unknown is a wonderful person. So, your claim simply doesn't hold water. 👎

I would appreciate it if one of them would step forward and debunk these insinuations of yours. 😢

steelskipper5 said:First off, I don't think rowdyhawk10 is being malicious, nor am I saying he’s completely incompetent. Secondly—and I wonder how many people here have actually noticed this rule—petitions like this usually just get ignored on this forum anyway. So, I have zero interest in voting to replace rowdyhawk10, and even if I did want to, a vote like that wouldn't carry any weight regardless.

But, if he needs a little more objectivity when it comes to moderating? Yeah, he definitely needs that.

coastalbison6 said:We need to get rid of rowdyhawk10 immediately. He’s just deleting posts whenever he feels like it, mostly because he can't handle anyone actually providing solid criticism regarding Islam.

The latest situation:
velvetranger5 asked where the Jews in Medina were during Muhammad's time, and my answer was:

Back then, three Jewish tribes lived in Yathrib (which was later renamed Medina); the Banu Nadir, the Banu Quariza, and the Banu Qainuga.
In 624, the Banu Nadir and Banu Qainuga tribes were forced to relocate to the Khaybar oasis.
In 627, when the Meccans (specifically the Quraysh tribe, which included Muhammad) laid siege to Medina, the Banu Quariza refused to help defend the city during the "Battle of the Trench." Following the battle, Muslims massacred all the men, and over 1,000 women and children were sold into slavery.

Then Jeffrey Sanchez7 chimed in with something like... "The Jews stabbed him (Muhammad) in the back, and now I'm being called a liar." $33 within the thread

And that's because the post sat there all day!!! So my response was:

I mean... they stabbed him in the back? How exactly did that "stabbing" look?

The issue was actually quite different. When Muhammad arrived in Medina in 622, he had nothing, so he and his followers survived by raiding caravans. The Banu Quariza clearly wasn't having any part of that, so they didn't feel bound by the Constitution of Medina.

Jeffrey Sanchez7,
I’d suggest sticking to actual historical facts.
If anyone else had used the word "Jew" in that context, rowdyhawk10 would have banned them for life.
Am I really $33 starting a whole new thread just for this little argument? 🤣 😁

Well, rowdyhawk10 went ahead and deleted everything right then!
Why? Because once Muslims run out of arguments, rowdyhawk10 steps in to scrub the evidence. It's been happening constantly over the last few weeks.
Muslims have already driven all the Jews out of the Religion sub-forum, and honestly, they were some of the best debaters we had.

rowdyhawk10 needs to be removed ASAP.

rowdyhawk10 said:coastalbison6
Look, man, I don't think you even know what you want in your own thread, which you started yourself. Initially, you opened this topic regarding holy scriptures in general (the previous title was something like "Torah-Septuagint-Vulgate-Luther Bible... all the way to the Quran") and the introductory post is here. Then, you expressed in this post a desire to focus strictly on the authenticity of the Quran, just to narrow the scope—since things were getting too broad after Steven Clark jumped in with his analyses of the Bible. I respected your wish and asked you here if you wanted me to change the thread title (I sent you a DM about it, too). You agreed here that I should update the title, so I changed it to "Is the Quran True and Authentic?", which you approved (you confirmed this via private message). So, as it stands, this thread is specifically about the Quran (for instance, how it was recorded and preserved, whether it underwent changes, its level of authenticity, etc.). But then... the discussion drifted off-topic with this post from velvetranger52, which was off-topic because he was asking "what is the Constitution of Medina." In responding to him, you steered the conversation away from the core subject (which was the authenticity of the Quran—your own rule), and began discussing historical events that have nothing to do with the primary topic. I only deleted the off-topic posts because they didn't belong here; I haven't handed out any warnings, even though the conversation veered off course. Velvetranger52 pulled it off-topic with his question, and then you all followed suit by discussing the Constitution of Medina, the persecution of Jews, and other matters outside the scope of how the Quran was written, canonized, and preserved. Should we really let threads just wander aimlessly like that? I ask you. 🙄

So, I would say your protest is entirely groundless and unjustified. ☕

Still, I suppose it’s fine that you started this petition, as it gives the other users a chance to weigh in. If a significant number of them aren't happy with my management, then honestly, it might be better if I stepped down. It's exhausting trying to please everyone. On one hand, some Muslims (plus Enky, who seems just as unsure of what they want as you are) accuse me of being too strict with Muslims—while on the other hand, you and Chris Edwards claim I'm being too lenient and that I am "biased," to quote you.

If I were running the show, some of the Muslims would likely be satisfied enough to end their boycott of this forum. I just hope that whoever takes over doesn't let people start posting nonsense like: "a Muslim woman who marries a Catholic is no longer Muslim" or claiming that in the 21st century, it is somehow religiously justified "to kill gays..." which, frankly, is pure hate speech. This forum really needs to deal with that once and for all to ensure civilized progress and stop such evil. Additionally, those non-Muslims who aren't fans of my style will finally get a break from my supposed "imposition of Islam". 🙄

I won't be commenting further on this thread, though I suppose anyone interested in my replacement should feel free to reach out. 👋

Jeffrey Sanchez7 said:coastalbison6, I mentioned you $33 because the moderation and the setup here on Forum.hr is starting to look more like a paid media campaign than a democratic forum. The fact that that part was deleted only confirms my theory.

Personally, I'm all for a forum without rules. If someone is an asshole, let them show it; there's no reason to delete anything unless they're spamming or repeating themselves like a broken record (like you 😁).

As for that slur, to me, it's a degrading term, very colloquial. If I used it, then I apologize to the Jews, because I respect many of them deeply, contrary to the old view that they should all be killed.

coastalbison6, so does that mean the fee is higher?

Personally, I'm all for a forum with zero rules—if someone's being an absolute jerk, let them show it. The only reason to delete anything should be spam or if someone keeps repeating themselves like a broken record (kind of like you, 😁).

coastalbison6 said:@ rowdyhawk10

Look, we aren't brothers, so let's not get insulting here. 😠
Just give me back the posts that actually make sense and stay on topic without being rude.
...And quit trying to get philosophical with me; you won't shut me up that easily.

velvetranger52 said:@coastalbison6
I didn't even see what rowdyhawk10 deleted; that's his job. If you were actually aiming to be original—which I certainly hope you were—you should have started a new thread regarding the Constitution of Medina, and maybe our esteemed moderator could lend us some guidance.
I’m not calling for any of the moderators from the Religion section to be replaced, especially not rowdyhawk10, who honestly shows the most understanding toward everyone across the board. Granted, he did hand me a modest 500 red warning points just to keep things civil between us. It's up to us to speak our minds freely, and it's up to them to keep us in line. 🍿