Re: Religion thread

Chris Peterson53 said:This bolded text is just spam.

Using that same logic, I'd assume that... Spam. You’re quoting my previous point—it seems you're reading my mind—where I claimed that it should be perfectly obvious to you why those posts were deleted.

I have already stated on several occasions that I find this unclear and have requested an explanation.

Your interpretation regarding the warning I issued to that other user is particularly inaccurate. That situation between us has already been resolved and clarified—it was merely a misunderstanding. It seems you're bringing it up here solely to discredit a moderator's decision and question my competence.What exactly falls outside your jurisdiction?

The point is—this isn't the first time you've done this. You selectively wipe away mistakes and hand out cards for things that we later find out were completely unnecessary or just plain wrong.
Let’s hope this becomes a rare occurrence in the future; otherwise, one might have to start questioning certain things. As for your moderation, I couldn't care less, right up until the moment you actually start earning a paycheck. To overstate things..

I haven't even bothered to react to some of the cards thrown my way or the obvious irregularities on your part—not for a long time, and certainly not until now—but since this... It keeps happening more and more, and it's becoming a constant repetition. Of course I have that right. Either myself or any active user with a PDF Relogi membership is entitled to point out your mistakes if they leave us feeling slighted.

I truly find it baffling that you aren't aware of that.

Regarding the question about your posts:
I left the original question posted back on March 7th because anyone was free to weigh in at the time. Though, now that you've... Exactly the same. The following day, she returned to the same topic—though nine days had passed—to address several new questions that surfaced during that interval. You and Alex Alvarez55 have once again been exchanging public chat messages (which have since been deleted).

Yes, after nine days, because in the meantime... I haven't been on the forum lately..
Could this be a violation of the PDF guidelines?

Lucifer expands on that by dragging Hitler into the conversation, and you actually decide to engage with him...
And then others just jump in on top of you, completely ignoring the explicit warnings.
If we were to tolerate that kind of skipping, regardless of whether it was on or off... Any forum member, at any given moment, can dig up an unanswered question from months ago.Are you planning to drag this hot topic back into a thread that’s already been thoroughly debunked or is just plain outdated?
How can anyone claim that isn't the entire point? The purpose and the rules exist specifically so that top-tier posts don't get deleted.

We have already established that I failed to respond within a month, which effectively means I am circling back to an "outdated" question posed at the top of the thread. 😵 Because the question was genuinely significant and worth revisiting—especially since it is... Alex Alvarez55 He asked for an answer again, yet no one has bothered to respond to him on that thread.
If it weren't true, I wouldn't have bothered replying.

Furthermore, I haven't seen any of those other posts you mentioned, nor am I asking why you deleted them. I am specifically inquiring about my own posts.

And most importantly—you still haven't told me what happened to that post I reported via both the report button and my direct message. Where exactly am I being singled out and falsely accused? What's the deal with that?

If you have any further complaints regarding this matter, please submit them to the PŽK.

I am familiar with the protocol. Thanks for the reminder.

Just one thing: I want to say thanks to the divine 🙂😁 Grace for all the help with my questions about religion and those private messages. I really wouldn't want her to end up getting flagged or penalized by some mods just because she went out of her way to help me out with instructions.😠😁

Anytime, anywhere, darling 🥳🤣

Back to the grind, hunting down justice for those who’ve been wronged by the system.😵

You already received my answer, and I have zero intention of repeating myself.
Please stop building these elaborate theories and explanations based on cherry-picked snippets from my posts.
If you’re going to quote me, then have the decency to present the full context.

As for your question regarding that reported post where you claim to have been personally insulted—you're looking at this through a very narrow lens. Even if I were the only moderator on this board, I don't have to agree with your personal interpretation of what constitutes an insult or how "offended" you feel.

Chris Peterson53 said:You have already received my answer, and I have no intention of repeating myself.
Please refrain from building your assumptions or explanations by cherry-picking fragments from posts.
If you’re going to cite them, then present the full picture.

Regarding your question about that reported post where you felt personally insulted: you're looking at this through a very narrow lens. I'm not the only moderator on this forum, and even if I were, my personal agreement with your assessment of being offended isn't a requirement for how we handle things.

Susan Price30 said:And most importantly—you still haven't told me what happened to that post I reported through both the reporting tool and via DM. Where am I being personally singled out and falsely accused?. What's the deal with that?

I mentioned that I was... He is personally calling people out and making false accusations. Take a closer look at the original post before you decide to quote it or reply.

I suggest you take another look at that specific post if you're still unclear on what's actually going on. Just see for yourself. Is this unnecessary provocation, or what? Especially since the people participating in this thread... We all received PMs with the exact same content. So, it’s pretty obvious that post was aiming for something else entirely, completely unrelated to the actual topic at hand.

You don't have to agree—nor was it ever expected—since, as we can clearly see, the top posts are all about Christianity. You're being selective with what you choose to erase. Why are on-topic posts disappearing for no reason? Deleting content without cause just disrupts the flow of conversation, stifling discussion rather than encouraging it.

The way you communicate and that constant need to emphasize that you're "Christian" rather than "Muslim"—it just completes the picture. It’s as if it actually matters, or like anyone was even questioning it in the first place. 🤣)

I have no intention of debating this further with you—whether regarding this matter or any future requests. As far as I am concerned, our communication is finished, both now and for the future.

If the admins or supermods have any interest, please take a look and decide if this actually belongs on this thread:

LINK

My deleted posts truly don't belong there.

Many thanks, and best regards to everyone.

Susan Price30 said:Following that exact logic, I suppose I should assume that spam refers to your previous quote where you claim (I assume you're reading my mind here) that it is 'obvious to me why the posts were deleted'.

That is my point. I have noticed that certain moderators tend to "read the minds" of the users a bit too often, acting as if they "know" what people were thinking better than the individuals themselves.

Susan Price30 said:I already stated in my reported post that I was being personally targeted and falsely accused—maybe try actually reading the content before you decide to quote/respond to a post.

I’d highly recommend revisiting that specific post if you've somehow missed what’s actually going on... then you can see for whether this is unnecessary targeting or not. (Especially since the participants in that thread received PMs with the exact same content, making it obvious that the post had an entirely different motive and purpose, completely unrelated to the topic at hand.)

And look, you don't have to agree with me—of course you don't—because, as we can clearly see, you selectively delete posts on the top 'Christianity' thread (on-topic posts vanish without any valid reason) and you delete things just for the sake of it, disrupting the flow of discussion and stifling further debate instead of encouraging it.

(Your communication style and tone only reinforce this constant need to emphasize that you are 'Christian' rather than 'Muslim'—as if that matters, or as if anyone is questioning it or even asking. 🤣)

I have no intention of debating with you further (regarding this or any future requests)—as far as I'm concerned, our communication ends here, both for now and for the future.

@ If the admins or supermods have any interest in looking into this, please decide if this belongs on the thread:

LINK

And for the record, (my) deleted posts truly don't belong there.

Thanks and best regards to everyone.

Since you're continuing with your own little interpretations and spin—especially when you publicly label me a Muslim in a derogatory way with the clear intent to insult (and let's be clear, it wasn't *you* who did it, because you'd probably find a way to twist that too...)—not to mention the private messages where I'm called a Muslim [slur] (I won't even list those other terms here), it stands to reason that I publicly clarified and emphasized that I am Christian... So, what bothers you about that? Or by what logic do you feel the need to monitor my religious beliefs? It’s incredibly forgetful of you to ignore the fact that I also pointed out that my religious identity is irrelevant to my decisions as a mod, which is quite evident from the comments...😉
But apparently, it would be very convenient for you if I weren't Christian, so you could use your "tried and true" modus operandi to accuse me of persecuting Christians based on religious intolerance...
Sorry to disappoint you...🤣

So, what happens now?
Are we introducing forum-wide censorship against moderators? Are they not allowed to speak as forum members, let alone express their opinions or speak from their religious viewpoints?
Should this censorship extend to former moderators simply because they held a position? Or perhaps just because they don't agree with you?
That post stays right where it is (only an admin can decide to move it), because it is a request and an explanation for why I am stepping away from further discussion, specifically due to your posts.

Chris Peterson53 said:Since you continue to push your own interpretations here, especially after being publicly labeled a Muslim in a derogatory sense with the clear intention of causing offense... not to mention the comments on the other sub-forum, where I was called some kind of Muslim slut (I won't even list the other insults used here), it stands to reason that I have openly stated and emphasized that I am a Christian....

😢

I feel for you regarding the insults you've faced, though I suppose that is just part of being a moderator. For my part, I've had people threaten me, saying they'd come after me with a knife or hurt my family. At the same time, a different breed of fanatic threatened me by calling me an apostate, claiming I was just playing the "church mouse" by attacking Muslims to curry favor with Christians.

It seems there is a constant attempt to turn the religion sub-forum into a classic "religious enclave" (driven largely by certain "Christians," among others). It's a space where any critical discussion is automatically branded as an attack on Christianity or an insult to the faith. If you recall, there was even a movement at one point to split off a dedicated "Christianity" section from the main religion area. 🙄 I suspect such initiatives never actually came from decent people or true Christians, but rather from fanatics who only feel comfortable when they are surrounded by "their own." In those circles, anyone perceived as "different" is effectively silenced; anything they write is immediately dismissed as non-Christian, particularly if it carries a "Muslim" tone. That is why you will perpetually be called a "Muslim slut" by them—because I suppose God intends to exalt you on Judgment Day, when every single word will be weighed. And that day is coming. Every believer believes that. As for the skeptic, or someone whose faith has a crack or a wound in it, they don't believe in accountability, which is why they lash out at honorable people without a second thought for their vile language.

Especially when they hide behind a dozen burner accounts, thinking God isn't watching. 🙄

The insults thrown at believers can only serve to strengthen them. I've never given their vitriol any weight—aside from being cautious about my own safety and my family's—so I would suggest you do the same.

Chris Peterson53 said:And what happens then? We implement forum censorship against the moderators, meaning they wouldn't even be allowed to speak as members, let alone share an opinion or speak from their religious perspective?

Many will push for that, right up until the moment the forum is moderated by people who only write exactly what they want to hear. It's because those types are losers in any fair fight. The only place they think they "win" is in a censored echo chamber, like:
www.catholic.org
www.muftis.org
www.orthodoxy.org

That said, in spaces where different cultures intersect, and where moderation remains objective and fair, one really ought to maintain some level of decorum by relying on actual arguments rather than shouting over the same tired nonsense repeated a thousand times. I suppose many people simply lack that baseline level of civility required for dialogue with those who hold different views.

It’s probably why there is such constant noise coming from the religious "underground," always demanding concessions. They seem to be working for a spiritual mafia that has made our entire world feel insecure, perhaps even dangerous. You could easily take the atmosphere found on a forum like this and apply it to the broader world—it gives you a pretty clear picture of the state of our civilization. In my view, the spiritual tyrants are largely responsible for this mess. They would likely prefer tearing down churches and mosques than actually mentioning God. Best,

I would kindly ask everyone to refrain from cluttering this thread with off-topic posts. Thank you.

Chris Peterson53 said:Since you insist on pushing your own interpretations—especially when you go out of your way to label me a Muslim in such an insulting manner—I feel compelled to clarify things publicly. To be clear, I am a Christian. Why does my religious affiliation even concern you? It’s incredibly shortsighted of you to fixate on this, especially since I have already stated that my faith doesn't dictate my decisions here. Your comments clearly show you haven't been paying attention.😉

I have never devalued you, and you know that for a fact. As for why others are acting this way or sending private messages... honestly, I can't even begin to explain it.

It felt a little strange to me that you feel the need to emphasize that you aren't Muslim, so I decided to mention it—not because it matters to me personally, but just as an observation.🙂

na But it would certainly be very convenient for you if I weren't a Christian.So, I'll just get accused of persecuting Christians based on religious intolerance, according to their usual "tried and true" modus operandi...
I am sorry for letting you down...

Another argumentative, defensive tone—why exactly would it matter to me whether you follow Christianity or not? Please, walk me through that logic.

I have always maintained—just like most others here—that the Religion subforum isn't intended to be a platform for anyone's missionary work. It certainly shouldn't serve as a playground for shady characters who constantly label Christians as dogmatic just to insult or provoke them.
Is it possible to offer a critique without being overtly dismissive?
I have to say, that looks a little bit pathological to me... but then again, it’s not my place to judge anyone (honestly, I find the whole thing pretty hilarious).
I don't think the moderation team is blind or incompetent; surely they can grasp these obvious points without me having to point out the religious zealots.

So, what now?
Imposing forum censorship on moderators is a mistake. They shouldn't even be allowed to post as regular users, let alone express their own opinions or speak from their religious perspectives.

If you choose to support and protect them, then who? What exactly do they call Christianity? Lost in error. Not just once, but at least hundreds of times by now. Christians are often labeled as being dogmatic. On which ones should we focus? To work. (ovo Work. I suppose that means— Missionaries. If you want to be "exonerated from error," then you really aren't any better than they are.

At least they fight to spread their faith by imposing it because that's how they believe things should be done. What exactly is it that you're fighting for?

I personally believe that religion shouldn't be used as a platform for people like that. Instead, it ought to serve as a space for interfaith dialogue—conducted in a polite and respectful manner that embraces and honors our differences.

The sheer condescension here is staggering—it's pure primitive megalomania. To actually pose as some sort of 'Messiah' sent to rescue the 'deluded' and reveal the 'truth' to them? Give me a break. 😁

Should this censorship also extend to former moderators just because they used to hold those positions? Or perhaps simply because they don't agree with you?
And that specific post is staying right where it is (only an admin can decide to pull it down), because the request and explanation for stepping away from the debate was based entirely on your own posts.

Former moderators are former for a reason, and even as regular users, they aren't untouchable—despite your comical attempt to act like we were all colleagues 'as of yesterday.' Their true motives and their actual role here on this forum have already been exposed, so all that's left is to spread stories about non-existent, 'destructive' clones🤦 and continue
with the nonsense and the lies. And blaming innocent people who have done nothing wrong.🙂

As far as I'm concerned, go right ahead!

Because I truly believe everything will come to light... eventually.

Best,

Susan Price30 said:I’m asking everyone to please stop spamming this thread with stuff that has nothing to do with our topic. Thank you.

Look, I have never insulted you—you know that perfectly well—and as for why others are blowing up your inbox? Honestly, I can't even begin to explain that...

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..all that's left is spreading these ridiculous stories about "destructive" and non-existent "clones"🤦 while continuing
with all the mudslinging and lies. And then blaming innocent people who haven't done a single thing wrong.🙂

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because, at the end of the day, I truly believe the truth will come out.

It *has* come out! It's already out in the open!...
First—by using your proven clone, you were insulting me directly.
Second—your other clones have been exposed too. You can keep acting like it won't be made public if it makes you feel better... 😉
But the people who actually need to know already do.
Third—everything else you wrote in that post isn't even worth the breath it would take to argue.

As far as I'm concerned, this discussion is officially over.

Chris Peterson53 said:It finally came to light!...
1...By using your proven sockpuppet account, you were actually insulting me.
2...And your other fake accounts have been exposed too. It clearly eats at you... though I suppose that won't be made public.. 😉
The important thing is that the right people know the truth.
3....Everything else you wrote in your post isn't worth any further discussion.

You haven't proven anything, nor can you; you can only speculate and plant false ideas like you always do. It all boils down to this: it's just your word against mine, because everything you're throwing around is nothing more than unproven assumptions.

Besides, you've claimed others had "clones" and who knows what else, only for it to be proven they didn't. And it's also been established that you send threatening and inappropriate private messages to certain people from the Church.

You were simply terrified that the user in question would publish and forward your bizarre private message, so this was your way of stopping them—since now that there's a ban, she can't. That's all there is to it.😉

over and out.

Susan Price30 said:I would ask everyone to please stop cluttering this thread with things that have nothing to do with our topic.

Actually, it is exactly what this is about. It’s about how a handful of you—and I mean a very small number, you could count them on one hand—constantly engage in exactly what I described above. My post isn't targeting sincere users, just the insincere ones. At least two of your sockpuppet accounts were perfectly described by Mladen in this post; just a brief excerpt:

Pseudo-representatives of Christianity, such as Good Angel, Todaytonight, Princess, God is love, and so on, lead down that fatal path toward total indifference regarding Christian and religious beliefs. Through their contributions, they aren't enriching or supplementing Christianity; rather, they are exploiting and distorting it.

And I am not some "tough guy," Susan Price30. I have my own handle, my one and only. I have never once used multiple identities in my life. Not just on this forum, but anywhere. I was raised to be an honest and decent person. Using various aliases, where one even alters their dialect or spelling just to hide their true identity, is simply dishonorable.

Susan Price30 said:if you support and protect those who call Christianity a delusion(not just once, but at least 'hundreds' of times by now) and call Christians dogmatic people who need to be worked on (I assume working on means missionary work to lead them out of 'delusion'), then you aren't any better than they are.

A good moderator is defined by being impartial when making judgments. You, however, seem to want human opinions to be sanctioned. Still, the world isn't a small town, and you have to accept the fact that among seven billion people, there will always be those who believe Christianity is a delusion—just as there are those who believe Islam is a delusion. Both sides express their views on this forum, and no sane person screams about someone else's opinion. Both perspectives are simply human opinions. To a rational person, it shouldn't be an issue. In fact, they'll likely welcome the dialogue.

Susan Price30 said:they at least fight for the survival of their faith by imposing it because they believe that's how it should be done, whereas I wonder what you are actually fighting for.

When discussing imposition, I wonder if there is any ideology more aggressive or inherently dishonest than fanaticism in all its forms. Aren't we constantly confronted by tens of thousands of fraudulent relics—everything from the "Holy Grail" to the "Shroud of Turin"—as well as terrorist acts where civilians suffer in the name of Allah? Are you suggesting we should just stop talking about these things?

Susan Price30 said:Religion wasn't intended, nor should it be, a platform for such actions; rather, it should be a space for interfaith dialogue conducted in a civil and respectful manner that honors diversity and mutual respect.

Interfaith dialogue can only truly happen on an open and free forum like this one. It doesn't work in specialized, single-faith forums, like the ones I linked earlier. The fact that some people are perpetually offended whenever Christianity or Islam is labeled a delusion—viewing it as some sort of "provocation"—only seems to highlight how misguided and lost those who take offense actually are.

Susan Price30 said:former moderators are former for good reason, and they aren't untouchable as users either—despite your comical attempt to reach out to "old colleagues" from yesterday—their intentions and their actual role here have already been exposed, so all that's left is spreading stories about non-existent "clones"🤦 and continuing with the deception and lies. And blaming innocent people who are neither guilty nor responsible. 🙂

There is really only one reason why I am not a moderator, and I suppose it is something you simply won't understand. 😬

Chris Peterson53 said:It finally came to light!...

1...By using one of your proven clones, you were actually insulting me.

2...And I suppose the rest of your clones have been exposed as well. Whatever is bothering you... well, I don't think that's going to be made public. 😉

If we told the clones exactly how they were being caught, they would probably just find a way to fix their methods and make themselves nearly impossible to track. You just don't do that. It would be like a detective telling a criminal exactly how they got caught. 😉

Susan Price30 said:... you were simply terrified that the forum user in question would leak and forward your bizarre private message so that was your way of preventing it; now that she's banned, she can't do it anymore...

If you ask me, the individual involved showed an incredible amount of patience toward that particular user, though that’s just my humble take on the situation.🤷
As far as private messages go, administrators have the access to read them anyway, so banning someone doesn't actually solve that specific issue.👍
Besides, if private messages were treated with the same disciplinary standards as public comments, half the people here would have been gone ages ago.👍

rowdyhawk10 said:... There is only one single reason why I am not a moderator, and it's something you just can't grasp...

Perhaps we are talking about a level of Grace that is incomprehensible, given that it originates from an unbeliever?😉

P.S.: My last sentence (along with the others) isn't intended as an insult—if anyone took it that way, please accept my apologies—it was merely a reference to a discussion in the religion section regarding God's Grace and my own inquiry into where such grace comes from when practiced by "unbelievers" (or conversely, when withheld by "believers").👍

Brian Edwards6 said:

Susan Price30 said:She was probably just terrified that this particular forum user would leak and forward her weird private message so that was her way of stopping it; now that she's banned, she can't do it anymore. That's all there is to it. 😉

over and out.

I suppose the person in question showed quite a bit of patience with that forum user, but that's just my humble opinion. 🤷

Yeah, right... as if ''she can't post because she's banned''.
As if she couldn't just make a clone account? 😁

Brian Edwards6 said:Perhaps we are looking at a form of Grace that is incomprehensible, given that it originates from non-believers? 😉
P.S.: My last sentence (and the others) isn't meant as an insult (if anyone took it that way, I apologize), but rather a reference to a discussion on religion regarding God's Grace and my question about where the grace practiced by "non-believers" comes from (or why "believers" withhold it). 👍

Well, I didn't take that as an insult, don't worry; I took it as a witty remark, just as it was written.
It's just that I might not grasp those hidden ''truths'' that are reserved only ''for the chosen ones''. 😉

Susan Price30 said:over and out.

over and out—until the next clone appears, perhaps? 🙄

Brian Edwards6 said:If you ask me, she showed an incredible amount of patience dealing with that user, but that’s just my take.🤷
Regarding private messages, admins have access to them, so banning someone doesn't actually solve the issue that way.👍
Besides, if PMs were penalized just like public comments, half the people here would have been kicked off long ago.👍

Don't worry, those kinds of private messages get sanctioned too, Brian.😁

over and out—unless there's a new clone coming, right?

You've got the whole PDF right there, so go troll over there and finish your mission while you still can. No one asked for your input on this thread, and frankly, nobody cares what you think..

& I’d really appreciate it if the admins or supermods could either close this thread or stop these annoying trolls from dragging their transparent provocations over here.

thx 🙂

rowdyhawk10 said:At least two of your clones were perfectly described by Mladen in this post; just a quick snippet:

God is love isn't my clone, stop making things up...

For instance, check which country that username is posting from (or anyone else's, really) before you start throwing out wild suggestions. That’s my advice, "Sherlock Holmes." It wouldn't be an issue if we could actually prove where everyone is posting from instead of lying, inventing stories, or rushing to conclusions. 😉

Susan Price30 said:God is love isn't my clone, don't make things up...

The moderator is claiming you have a bunch of clones. 🤷

Susan Price30 said:for example, maybe check which state this username is coming from (or anyone else's, really) before you start throwing out suggestions; that's just my advice, 'Sherlock Holmes'—but honestly, it shouldn't be hard to verify where someone is posting from instead of lying or rushing to conclusions.😉

With a proxy service, you could have been messaging from Antarctica for all I care.
Changing up your dialect won't stop you from being found out.

Susan Price30 said:you've got that whole PDF, so go troll over there and carry on with your mission while you still can. nobody asked you anything in this thread, and your opinion isn't relevant to anyone here..

So your opinion is somehow more relevant than mine? You've spent a year on PŽK, posting in over 30 different threads in this complaints subforum. Meanwhile, I've only ever posted in this one specific thread. Are you somehow above me?

Susan Price30 said:& I would ask the admins or supermods to either close this thread or stop these annoying trolls who keep coming here with their transparent provocations.

It was the moderator telling you that you have clones, and that you use some of them to hurl vulgar insults. I think I'd find it quite embarrassing if someone said that to me.

hollowtrucker77 said:This thread should probably be closed before things start smelling like a ban wave.

I would certainly agree, though the final call rests with you.🙂