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Rebuilding America

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Participants Susan Peterson7casuallynx8velvetmaker3Sean Morgan26Sean Fox60amberwalker4Richard Wilson4Nicholas Nguyenwiredmarlin43loneviper2Dana Cruz4William Brown4jadeorca42Ryan Rodriguez4Ryan Gomez4Peter Clark6
Susan Peterson7 Susan Peterson7 Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2013
#1 ·
How is it even possible that in the capital of a nation, building facades fall onto pedestrians, roads are so riddled with potholes that driving feels like an obstacle course, and the historic downtown is paved with nothing but dull gray asphalt? To top it all off, we see multi-million dollar restroom projects being commissioned while police officers seem to be stationed on every single corner. Now, they’re pushing ahead with this "Washington, D.C. Waterfront" project that is supposedly going to define the capital's aesthetic forever. Their grand plan? To erect these hideous concrete and metal blocks 🤦 instead of preserving beautiful buildings in the classic architectural style, complete with cozy cafes, tree-lined promenades, and bike paths—you know, the things that actually make a proper metropolitan city feel livable.

But I won't dwell solely on the utter neglect of the capital—which really should serve as the face of the entire country. Just drive along any major roadway and you'll see nothing but blight: overgrown fields, houses with crumbling exteriors, and trash piling up in yards (especially in those underserved settlements, which is just heartbreaking).

Why does the government and society at large just tolerate this? 🤷 Why aren't those neglected fields being leased to the state or to individuals who could actually farm them to bolster the US economy, rather than just letting them sit idle? Why is it acceptable for a house to stand without any exterior finish? If someone has the capital to build a home, surely they can scrape together a little more for the facade—or perhaps the government should provide subsidies for lower-income citizens to maintain their properties. And why is it permissible to let scrap metal and refuse accumulate in backyards? There should be fines for that kind of negligence, just like anywhere else.

I am glad to see that recent cleanup efforts for illegal dumping sites have finally begun. It was long overdue, and it's heartening to see people volunteering their time to help clean up their own country.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
49 messages
joined May 2012
#2 ·
Since this thread first went live, there hasn't been a single post that actually stays on topic. It’s truly remarkable. I suppose the next off-topic comment will be appropriately rewarded.
casuallynx8 casuallynx8 Member
49 messages
joined May 2012
#3 ·
Susan Peterson7 said:How is it even possible that in the capital of a nation, building facades fall onto pedestrians, roads are so riddled with potholes that driving feels like an obstacle course, and the historic downtown is paved with nothing but dull gray asphalt? To top it all off, we see multi-million dollar restroom projects being commissioned while police officers seem to be stationed on every single corner. Now, they’re pushing ahead with this "Washington, D.C. Waterfront" project that is supposedly going to define the capital's aesthetic forever. Their grand plan? To erect these hideous concrete and metal blocks 🤦 instead of preserving beautiful buildings in the classic architectural style, complete with cozy cafes, tree-lined promenades, and bike paths—you know, the things that actually make a proper metropolitan city feel livable.

But I won't dwell solely on the utter neglect of the capital—which really should serve as the face of the entire country. Just drive along any major roadway and you'll see nothing but blight: overgrown fields, houses with crumbling exteriors, and trash piling up in yards (especially in those underserved settlements, which is just heartbreaking).

Why does the government and society at large just tolerate this? 🤷 Why aren't those neglected fields being leased to the state or to individuals who could actually farm them to bolster the US economy, rather than just letting them sit idle? Why is it acceptable for a house to stand without any exterior finish? If someone has the capital to build a home, surely they can scrape together a little more for the facade—or perhaps the government should provide subsidies for lower-income citizens to maintain their properties. And why is it permissible to let scrap metal and refuse accumulate in backyards? There should be fines for that kind of negligence, just like anywhere else.

I am glad to see that recent cleanup efforts for illegal dumping sites have finally begun. It was long overdue, and it's heartening to see people volunteering their time to help clean up their own country.

Has it ever occurred to you that people don't have facades because they simply lack the funds to install them? Not to mention that renovating buildings in the heart of Washington, D.C. is an incredibly expensive endeavor, given that you can't just do whatever you want; you are restricted to specialized contractors and must adhere to strict historical preservation permits.

So, you complain about facade subsidies in one breath, yet in the next, you criticize the millions being funneled into gold-plated restrooms. It is fundamentally the same issue. Cronies get the contracts, and the taxpayers foot the bill.
velvetmaker3 velvetmaker3 Regular
368 messages
joined Jan 2010
#4 ·
We really need to roll out a package of measures designed to make the US actually look decent and well-kept.

Unfinished facades are a massive eyesore, especially those half-done exteriors.
I’ve seen houses where the facade has been sitting unfinished for decades; people move in and just never get around to finishing the job. You see plenty of those cases down in Florida alone.
I honestly don't know how to force people to fix them. I'd suggest making it a legal requirement, where we implement fines for both unfinished facades and generally neglected ones.

Regarding neglected plots of land where nothing grows but weeds, I guess I feel the same way.
Sean Morgan26 Sean Morgan26 Newcomer
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joined May 2012
#5 ·
velvetmaker3 said:We really need to roll out a package of measures designed to make the US actually look decent and well-kept.

Unfinished facades are a massive eyesore, especially those half-done exteriors.
I’ve seen houses where the facade has been sitting unfinished for decades; people move in and just never get around to finishing the job. You see plenty of those cases down in Florida alone.
I honestly don't know how to force people to fix them. I'd suggest making it a legal requirement, where we implement fines for both unfinished facades and generally neglected ones.

Regarding neglected plots of land where nothing grows but weeds, I guess I feel the same way.
Sean Fox60 Sean Fox60 Member
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joined Sep 2014
#6 ·
Susan Peterson7 said:How is it even possible that in the capital of a nation, building facades fall onto pedestrians, roads are so riddled with potholes that driving feels like an obstacle course, and the historic downtown is paved with nothing but dull gray asphalt? To top it all off, we see multi-million dollar restroom projects being commissioned while police officers seem to be stationed on every single corner. Now, they’re pushing ahead with this "Washington, D.C. Waterfront" project that is supposedly going to define the capital's aesthetic forever. Their grand plan? To erect these hideous concrete and metal blocks 🤦 instead of preserving beautiful buildings in the classic architectural style, complete with cozy cafes, tree-lined promenades, and bike paths—you know, the things that actually make a proper metropolitan city feel livable.

But I won't dwell solely on the utter neglect of the capital—which really should serve as the face of the entire country. Just drive along any major roadway and you'll see nothing but blight: overgrown fields, houses with crumbling exteriors, and trash piling up in yards (especially in those underserved settlements, which is just heartbreaking).

Why does the government and society at large just tolerate this? 🤷 Why aren't those neglected fields being leased to the state or to individuals who could actually farm them to bolster the US economy, rather than just letting them sit idle? Why is it acceptable for a house to stand without any exterior finish? If someone has the capital to build a home, surely they can scrape together a little more for the facade—or perhaps the government should provide subsidies for lower-income citizens to maintain their properties. And why is it permissible to let scrap metal and refuse accumulate in backyards? There should be fines for that kind of negligence, just like anywhere else.

I am glad to see that recent cleanup efforts for illegal dumping sites have finally begun. It was long overdue, and it's heartening to see people volunteering their time to help clean up their own country.

If the mod doesn't take this down, I’m gonna drop another question. Seriously, why is the government—from The Cabinet all the way down to the counties and local towns—basically ignoring the Farm Bill by not even putting out a single public tender for state land across 182 different municipalities and cities between 2001 and 2012? Honestly, I already know the answer to that one!

What kind of "state" are we even talking about when it comes to leasing out neglected farmland?

And what can regular folks actually do if they want to step up and farm this land themselves?
The laws are all cooked up by the state, specifically by US Congress!
Susan Peterson7 Susan Peterson7 Active MemberOP
61 messages
joined Dec 2013
#7 ·
I’m starting this thread because a buddy of mine mentioned the other day that The Cabinet supposedly passed some new regulation where any house without finished siding or stucco will be slapped with monthly fines until the exterior is updated. I haven't tuned into the news in about a week, and I can't find a single mention of this on any of the major news sites, so I wanted to see if anyone actually knows if there's any truth to this rumor.

If it turns out to be true, then honestly, it’s about time. 🙂
amberwalker4 amberwalker4 Active Member
96 messages
joined Mar 2013
#8 ·
Susan Peterson7 said:I’m starting this thread because a buddy of mine mentioned the other day that The Cabinet supposedly passed some new regulation where any house without finished siding or stucco will be slapped with monthly fines until the exterior is updated. I haven't tuned into the news in about a week, and I can't find a single mention of this on any of the major news sites, so I wanted to see if anyone actually knows if there's any truth to this rumor.

If it turns out to be true, then honestly, it’s about time. 🙂

Are you offering to pay for everyone's new siding?

I'd also love some confirmation on whether this law is real.
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#9 ·
No matter how much trouble we run into, we’re actually pretty organized, even in the poorer parts of the country
Susan Peterson7 Susan Peterson7 Active MemberOP
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joined Dec 2013
#10 ·
amberwalker4 said:Are you offering to pay for everyone's new siding?

I'd also love some confirmation on whether this law is real.

The real issue is that people just don't get it. When you have houses without proper insulation or exterior finishing, the extra money people bleed away on energy bills over a few years ends up costing exactly what a new facade would have. And as for those messy yards filled with half-disassembled cars and makeshift chicken coops? There’s no excuse there. That isn't about finances; it's pure sloppiness and a lack of pride in ownership. Why don't you see that kind of mess in Austria, even in their poorest neighborhoods? 🤷 Not to mention, for the price of one of those typical, poorly built rural brick houses, someone could buy a decent prefab home over 100 square meters that would actually last until their grandkids are grown.

Richard Wilson4 said:No matter how much trouble we run into, we’re actually pretty organized, even in the poorer parts of the country

The best way to see the contrast is to drive through Canada. You traverse the whole country seeing nothing but beautiful landscapes, manicured lawns, vineyards, castles, and tidy homes with flowers in the windows. Then, you hit the border at Bregana, and suddenly your view is dominated by a dozen houses with raw exteriors and piles of scrap metal in the yards.😁 The Twilight Zone.
Nicholas Nguyen Nicholas Nguyen Active Member
80 messages
joined Oct 2016
#11 ·
Susan Peterson7 said:The real issue is that people just don't get it. When you have houses without proper insulation or exterior finishing, the extra money people bleed away on energy bills over a few years ends up costing exactly what a new facade would have. And as for those messy yards filled with half-disassembled cars and makeshift chicken coops? There’s no excuse there. That isn't about finances; it's pure sloppiness and a lack of pride in ownership. Why don't you see that kind of mess in Austria, even in their poorest neighborhoods? 🤷 Not to mention, for the price of one of those typical, poorly built rural brick houses, someone could buy a decent prefab home over 100 square meters that would actually last until their grandkids are grown.

The best way to see the contrast is to drive through Canada. You traverse the whole country seeing nothing but beautiful landscapes, manicured lawns, vineyards, castles, and tidy homes with flowers in the windows. Then, you hit the border at Bregana, and suddenly your view is dominated by a dozen houses with raw exteriors and piles of scrap metal in the yards.😁 The Twilight Zone.

Facts. 👍
Richard Wilson4 Richard Wilson4 Veteran
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joined Sep 2009
#12 ·
Susan Peterson7 said:The real issue is that people just don't get it. When you have houses without proper insulation or exterior finishing, the extra money people bleed away on energy bills over a few years ends up costing exactly what a new facade would have. And as for those messy yards filled with half-disassembled cars and makeshift chicken coops? There’s no excuse there. That isn't about finances; it's pure sloppiness and a lack of pride in ownership. Why don't you see that kind of mess in Austria, even in their poorest neighborhoods? 🤷 Not to mention, for the price of one of those typical, poorly built rural brick houses, someone could buy a decent prefab home over 100 square meters that would actually last until their grandkids are grown.

The best way to see the contrast is to drive through Canada. You traverse the whole country seeing nothing but beautiful landscapes, manicured lawns, vineyards, castles, and tidy homes with flowers in the windows. Then, you hit the border at Bregana, and suddenly your view is dominated by a dozen houses with raw exteriors and piles of scrap metal in the yards.😁 The Twilight Zone.

You're exaggerating.

Crossing from Canada into America isn't nearly as jarring as crossing from America into Mexico or parts of Canada.
wiredmarlin43 wiredmarlin43 Member
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joined Nov 2015
#13 ·
Driving through Germany, you see these young people all dressed up—you’d never guess they were actually farmers. They look like they belong in downtown Chicago or something, totally polished, unlike the messy look you see back home.
loneviper2 loneviper2 Member
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joined Aug 2013
#14 ·
wiredmarlin43 said:Driving through Germany, you see these young people all dressed up—you’d never guess they were actually farmers. They look like they belong in downtown Chicago or something, totally polished, unlike the messy look you see back home.

😁
Dana Cruz4 Dana Cruz4 Newcomer
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#15 ·
wiredmarlin43 said:Driving through Germany, you see these young people all dressed up—you’d never guess they were actually farmers. They look like they belong in downtown Chicago or something, totally polished, unlike the messy look you see back home.

Unkempt...😂
William Brown4 William Brown4 Member
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joined Dec 2015
#16 ·
It’s pretty wild that in McKinney, Texas, they’re building this development called the Adriatica Bell Tower designed specifically to mimic a classic coastal Mediterranean village. They’ve gone as far as constructing stone houses with green shutters, a traditional church, and a bell tower that looks like a blatant knockoff of one from Zadar. They even added a lake meant to pass for the sea. While Americans seem obsessed with our aesthetics—to the point where they want to copy and claim them—it makes you wonder what we’re doing. We are the original source of this beautiful architecture; we are the home of these stone cottages, churches, bell towers, and those iconic red tile roofs with green shutters. Yet, here we are, constantly tearing down that heritage to make room for hideous modern buildings.
wiredmarlin43 wiredmarlin43 Member
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joined Nov 2015
#17 ·
America's basically obsessed with building knock-offs of European cities.

We really ought to preserve our old-school houses and turn them into little tourist villages—think like those boutique villas you see in Mexican resorts. Foreign retirees would rent them out, while someone from Washington, D.C. would have to step up year-round to handle the upkeep and deal with all the repairs whenever things break down.
William Brown4 William Brown4 Member
32 messages
joined Dec 2015
#18 ·
It’s pretty wild how Americans go out of their way to build fake medieval towns with stone-paved streets, while we have actual historic cities and can't even manage to keep the original paving intact. Take Washington, D.C., for example—somebody decided years ago that tearing up all those old stones in the historic district and replacing them with asphalt was the move. I guess it's just faster, easier, and cheaper. So, you end up with Americans having these manufactured "old" towns with stone paths, while we struggle to maintain the authenticity of our real ones. It's a good thing the local bureaucrats didn't get their hands on San Francisco, or they probably would've paved over Times Square too sooner or later.🙄

Oh, one more thing. They've started renovating roofs in Washington, D.C., and now the whole area looks like Disneyland. In Europe, specifically in Portugal, Spain, Italy, and France, they do things differently. They use tiles that are treated to look aged. They're technically new, but they're designed to have that vintage patina. Check this out:
http://www.iblspa.it/Public/FotoProd...6_15_17_07.jpg

And here is how it looks on houses:
http://www.fbm.it/images/gallerie/co...aperusia/3.JPG

http://www.edilportale.com/immagini/...-rel-84087.jpg

http://www.materialicasa.com/documen...oghese_980.jpg

It’s a much nicer approach than slapping on bright, shiny new tiles that make an old city look like a theme park.
William Brown4 William Brown4 Member
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joined Dec 2015
#19 ·
Those hideous skyscrapers in New York City are just eyesores... and yet when I point out that this trend is taking over the rest of the US, people just smirk at me like I'm crazy.
jadeorca42 jadeorca42 Active Member
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#20 ·
William Brown4 said:Those hideous skyscrapers in New York City are just eyesores... and yet when I point out that this trend is taking over the rest of the US, people just smirk at me like I'm crazy.

It would be even better if people stopped smirking at anyone claiming skyscrapers in the West are being demolished just because they're an eyesore...

I mean, where exactly is this "socialist concrete architecture" in New York City coming from?

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