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Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#1 · Aug 20, 2013

Hey admins,

I used the report button about three or four days ago.

Since the supermods and admins get notified about moderator reports right away—and yet this post still hasn't been flagged days later—I’m curious: what exactly are the criteria for deciding if a post gets a strike or not?

Link to the post

Look, I get it—when an admin calls out a user, it passes without a hitch. It’s also pretty clear that a supermod can basically say whatever they want about a user, even if they're flat-out lying about what was said, and walk away scot-free. So, now I’d love to know... do moderators also enjoy total immunity when it comes to making "diagnoses" about users?

One last thing—if it isn't too much trouble, could we see the rules for sanctioning posts from moderators, supermods, and admins? That is, assuming they actually *do* get sanctioned, of course. It seems like this public list of violations and strikes only applies to the regular Reddit crowd—and you know how they are, thinking the rules apply to everyone since they agreed to them during registration.

Thanks. 🙂

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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joined May 2023

#2 · Aug 20, 2013

I sent a DM to the mods regarding the Economy, so we’re just playing the waiting game until they chime in.

Since I'm already here, though, I was looking over the thread and it makes me wonder exactly what diagnosis the moderator handed out. Just want to make sure we aren't all talking about different things.

As for the other question, the criteria stay the same, but I should mention one thing—Reddit users don't get sanctioned every single time they deserve it; it's not always the case for the mods or the sub mods either. Technically, the Admins can't even get a warning card. I tried, but Reddit wouldn't let me.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#3 · Aug 20, 2013

He basically just diagnosed everyone who claimed they were looking for their own mistakes—I mean, isn't that obvious?

As for that second question, I didn't get the feeling that the rules are applied equally... plus, let's be real, it feels like moderators (and the higher-ups) almost never face any actual consequences.

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#4 · Aug 20, 2013

Sorry you feel that way.

Which diagnosis are we talking about? If you’re referring to that "idiot" comment, that was just carrying over from previous posts, and since I put it in quotes, I wasn't actually calling anyone names.

As for those "other issues," it really depends on your take. Personally, I don't think they're a huge deal, but if I were moderating, I'd probably just delete them rather than handing out a ban.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#5 · Aug 20, 2013

I didn't jump into this thread just because you were being sympathetic.

Look, I never actually said the moderator called anyone retarded. 🥳
What I *did* say was how he basically handed out a diagnosis to everyone asking for their change back. I know managing a hundred different subreddits can make it hard to focus sometimes—so I'll just quote his little "diagnosis" here:

MMachéte said:And again—what is actually going on in someone's head? Like, what kind of issues does a person have if they lose it over someone asking for fifty cents at a grocery store? I'd say it's way bigger than just the fifty cents. 🙄

In my opinion, there’s no room for those "well, it depends on how you look at it" arguments here—it's crystal clear what the moderator said and what he intended. That rolling eyes emoji? Just more proof of the overall tone of the post. So, since you're saying this should have been a warning instead of a ban, we end up back at my other question... you know, the one about equal criteria. According to the rules, insulting a user is 45 points. From the quote, it's obvious the mod isn't just insulting one person—he's insulting the whole group.

Now, if I got slapped with 45 points for "insulting users" just because I called some random guy—not even a regular user, just some random dude—an idiot for the way he was riding his bike on the road, clueless... and that ban wasn't even overturned after my appeal—then logically, shouldn't direct insults toward a group of users be handled the same way? It's about having equal rules and criteria, and all that jazz.

Plus, one of the moderators from the Economy sub actually DM'ed me saying he would've banned the post outright if he had the power to.

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#6 · Aug 20, 2013

I didn't even mean to start this thread just to show sympathy, it just sucks that you walked away with that impression.

Like I said, there's a difference between what I’d personally do and how things actually play out. I sent a DM to the lead, and if I don't hear back by tomorrow, then me and my buddy in Nice are going to sit down with the mod and figure out our next move.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#7 · Aug 20, 2013

Look, don't take this the wrong way—but you can't really expect me to take your frustration with my impression as some kind of deep, soul-searching truth, right? I mean—given we haven't exactly known each other forever.

So, which moderator are you actually going to coordinate with? It sounds like you're planning to chat with the very same mod who flagged the post just to decide how to handle the penalty... which is honestly pretty weird. Not to mention, that’s definitely not how things work with regular users. I'm just not following the logic here—does that even make sense to anyone else?

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#8 · Aug 20, 2013

Brian Edwards78 said:Look, you won't hold it against me if I don't take your disappointment in my impression as being 100% sincere, right? Especially since we haven't exactly known each other forever.

Of course not.

Brian Edwards78 said:Which moderator are you guys going to coordinate with? It sounds like you're planning to sit down with the guy who got reported to discuss his own punishment. That’s a bit weird, to say the least. Not to mention, that’s definitely not how things work with regular users. I'm just not following the logic here.

I might have phrased that poorly. We aren't "negotiating" penalties with him—that's entirely our call. A moderator can appeal a strike just like anyone else on Reddit, right? Regular users have their own threads for that. Moderators handle things a little differently since they're part of the team, but the principle is the same. Hopefully, that clears things up.

Paul Martinez2 Member

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joined Sep 2013

#9 · Aug 20, 2013

What holds true for one person might not apply to everyone else... or perhaps, what works for some simply doesn't work for all.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#10 · Aug 20, 2013

Daniel Ward87 said:Maybe I wasn't being clear enough—we aren't exactly sitting down with him to negotiate which sanctions we’re going to drop, right? That's our call to make!

I’d say it really just comes down to whether the Reddit rules are actually being applied consistently—don't you think?

Daniel Ward87 said:Moderators can definitely complain about getting a strike since they’re still just regular users on Reddit—they have every right to appeal, don't they? There's even a dedicated thread for that! It's just that things work a little differently for them when it comes to the rules.

If the moderators are just regular users—and since we all have that dedicated Reddit thread to appeal our bans—why aren't the mods using that same thread to appeal their own strikes? I mean, sure, they’d have to get flagged first to have anything to complain about, but there's no reason those appeals shouldn't be handled in the same spot. Wouldn't that actually help clarify the rules for everyone else too?

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#11 · Aug 20, 2013

Brian Edwards78 said:If the mods are just regular users, and regular users have a specific Reddit thread to appeal their bans, why shouldn't the mods use that same thread to appeal their own? Sure, they’d have to get flagged first to have anything to complain about, but I don't see why those penalties can't be handled in the standard appeals thread. It would actually give everyone a much clearer look at how the rules are being enforced.

🤷 That’s just how it’s always been—if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Besides, that's not really what we're here to talk about, so let's not get sidetracked. We'll wait to hear from the intelligent ones; if they don't weigh in, then me and my buddy in Nice will figure out our next move.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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#12 · Aug 20, 2013

Why shouldn't we all just sit down and chat about how to level up this Reddit while we wait for things to get more intelligent? I mean, isn't that basically the whole point of this sub-thread anyway:

Send over your feedback, ideas, complaints, or whatever—just tell us how to make Reddit better and cleaner.

At first glance, I’d probably just say, "Hey, maybe add a space after the comma before the word complaints." But then I'd start wondering why the 'Z' doesn't stand for Zeal anymore... and ultimately, is this old way of doing things actually the best? Can we actually build something better to improve the whole experience?

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#13 · Aug 20, 2013

Brian Edwards78 said:Why shouldn't we all jump in and chat about how to level up this Reddit while we wait for the smart updates? After all, that’s basically the whole vibe of this sub:

At first glance, I’d just say, "Hey, maybe add a space after the comma in the complaint section." Then I’d start wondering why things aren't working the way they used to. Ultimately, I'm left asking if the old way is actually the best way, or if there's a better way to keep things running smoothly.

Look, this isn't really a thread for brainstorming site improvements, so let's try not to veer off into off-topic territory.

Nicholas King Regular

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#14 · Aug 20, 2013

what is actually going on inside the head—like, what kind of issues does a person even have-- when they...

I’m honestly looking forward to seeing this same old song and dance again—or at least a similar circus—where we get these multi-day administrative summits and committees formed just to address nothing (since apparently Brian Edwards78 already messed everything up by preventing a quiet, painless deletion), and I wonder if it will be allowed for me, or Brian Edwards78, or whoever else to tell a participant in a debate that they are mentally unstable...

People are tossing out psychological diagnoses like they're cheap candy at a parade—it’s ridiculous. We can just calmly mutter, "you always and everywhere see conspiracy theories," simply because someone was shown, quite clearly, how they just blurted out something untrue. I suppose the DSM-IV has a whole section dedicated to people like that (edit: specifically those who "always and everywhere see conspiracy theories", rather than those who just happen to spout nonsense)—it’s all just pure, unadulterated nonsense.

A long time ago, I might have actually asked myself how you all could live with yourselves without feeling any shame at all.

Henry Edwards33 Regular

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joined Aug 2015

#15 · Aug 20, 2013

Nicholas King said:A while back, I would have asked how you all can live with yourselves.

So, you’ve been following this thread and decided our standards don't align, and therefore we should all be feeling ashamed?

Since I consider it perfectly reasonable to weigh in while we wait for the super-mod to show up, I’m speaking my piece regarding the Economy sub.
The conversation had already devolved into people playing amateur doctor, so I stepped in to address it.
And honestly, I think the way I handled it was pretty interesting.
The user didn't get a ban or even a formal warning; they just got a polite request to stop. And they actually listened.
Of course, if you need proof, you can check this link.

I tend to operate under the assumption that I’m dealing with adults who possess common sense, so I don't believe jumping straight to a strike is the only way to handle things.

If you’re looking for the same kind of strictness to be applied to the mods, well, maybe 🙂

Nicholas King Regular

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#16 · Aug 20, 2013

Sarah Morales90 said:So, you've been following this thread and decided—just like that—that our standards don't align, and that we should somehow feel ashamed for it? Is that really where you're coming from?

Wait—did you actually bother to read my post?

Henry Edwards33 Regular

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#17 · Aug 20, 2013

Nicholas King said:Did you actually even read my post?

I did. Look, being a moderator means I’m part of the admin team, and since I moderate the Economy subreddit, I’ve been called out for not meeting certain standards.

As a mod who was keeping an eye on this thread, I was involved in several days of deliberation—basically providing the admins with the kind of intel I thought was necessary for them to make a call.

Based on everything being said here, your little argument doesn't somehow strip me of my admin status, which, frankly, is something the management should be embarrassed about.

I am strictly commenting on what happened right here, in my specific sub, and I don't see any reason to start dragging every other similar situation into this mess.

This whole thing stems from a post over in the Economy section, so that's the lens I'm using to write these posts.

Edit: Brian Edwards78, do me a favor and actually quote the specific part of my post you're claiming is trolling or off-topic. Let's see it.

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#18 · Aug 20, 2013

Alright, the Economy moderator already gave her two cents, so just hang tight until tomorrow.

Michelle Alvarez8 RegularOP

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joined Nov 2015

#19 · Aug 20, 2013

Sarah Morales90 said:Edit: Brian Edwards78, seriously—could you please just quote the specific part of my post that you're calling trolling? You know, the part where you claim I went off-topic?

Your whole post is just trolling because you're basically egging Nicholas King on in his own trolling spree.

Better hit refresh fast, because this post is gonna vanish in like 10 seconds!

Daniel Ward87 Active Member

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#20 · Aug 20, 2013

Clearly, some people just can't help themselves, so I'm locking this thread until tomorrow.

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