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lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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#1 ·
Over a span of forty years, he managed to churn out "only" thirteen feature films, which honestly feels like a deliberate choice—a testament to his whole "less is more" philosophy. He became legendary for this ultra-minimalist approach; he preferred using non-professional actors, relied on incredibly precise framing, kept the musical score almost non-existent, and let silence and sparse dialogue do most of the heavy lifting...

Even Andrei Tarkovsky used to point to Robert Bresson as his absolute favorite director, citing Diary of a Country Priest as his personal standout...

As I sit here eagerly anticipating his work
(I should be getting 12 out of those 13 films by the end of the week) I’d love for you guys to dive into this singular, eccentric visionary. Let's talk about his body of work and what kind of impact these films actually leave on you...

www.robert-bresson.com
Douglas Robinson12 Douglas Robinson12 Member
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#2 ·
Quoting from memory here — If you don't "get" Bresson, then you just don't get cinema!
It’s really all about knowing where to start your journey. Personally, I'd suggest kicking things off with *Pickpocket* and *A Condemned Man Escaped* as part of my unofficial "Bresson for Beginners" guide (that first one is easily one of my all-time favorites, hands down). Then you've got *A For Balthazar*, which is just pure cinematic perfection—it's the kind of movie that could break a heart made of stone, much like *Mouchette* or *Diary of a Country Priest*. Now, I'll be the first to admit there are some of his later works that I haven't quite cracked the code on yet (like *The Devil Probably*, for instance). But man, *L'Argent* is absolutely brilliant, and that was his last major piece from the early '80s.
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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#3 ·
Here’s a little bit of trivia for you: back in the day, producer Dino De Laurentiis actually had this wild ambition to film The Bible. His grand vision was to have a different legendary director helm each individual episode. When it came down to the heavy hitters—the Great Flood, Noah's Ark, and that final cosmic salvation of humanity—they decided to tap Robert Bresson, who was basically at the absolute peak of his fame at the time.
Bresson was actually pretty hooked on the concept, and he even came up with a killer way to approach it: instead of obsessing over living creatures, he wanted to focus on their traces—the lingering imprints and marks left behind by beings that would eventually extend life into the universe. 👍

As for the producer's reaction... well, let's just say it's pretty easy to imagine how that went down.
Mark Johnson5 Mark Johnson5 Member
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lonelynx16 said:Over a span of forty years, he managed to churn out "only" thirteen feature films, which honestly feels like a deliberate choice—a testament to his whole "less is more" philosophy. He became legendary for this ultra-minimalist approach; he preferred using non-professional actors, relied on incredibly precise framing, kept the musical score almost non-existent, and let silence and sparse dialogue do most of the heavy lifting...

Even Andrei Tarkovsky used to point to Robert Bresson as his absolute favorite director, citing Diary of a Country Priest as his personal standout...

As I sit here eagerly anticipating his work
(I should be getting 12 out of those 13 films by the end of the week) I’d love for you guys to dive into this singular, eccentric visionary. Let's talk about his body of work and what kind of impact these films actually leave on you...

www.robert-bresson.com

Mind if I ask where you picked those up? I'd love to grab a copy for myself.
graniteorca5 graniteorca5 Newcomer
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#5 ·
Uh... Bresson... Such insane simplicity in the framing, yet the plot is so damn complex! I think he nails that best in The Devil Probably!
Personally, though? A For Balthazar is my favorite. I actually had to sit through it a few times because that donkey being mistreated was making me physically sick—I just couldn't focus on the actual story!
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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#6 ·
Robert Bresson once described his creative process as this cycle of "Two Deaths and Three Births";
"My film is first born in my head, then dies on paper; it is resurrected through the living people and real objects I use—which are effectively killed on the film strip, yet when arranged in a specific order and projected onto the screen, they come back to life like flowers floating in water."
I just finished watching Pickpocket and A Condemned Man Escaped. It’s probably a bit too early to give any real impressions since I’m still working my way through the marathon, but I'm diving straight into the rest of his filmography next...
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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#7 ·
Starting this Saturday (July 7th), there’s a whole Robert Bresson marathon kicking off over at the Film Archive on the main channel...
Jesse Ortiz4 Jesse Ortiz4 Active Member
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#8 ·
Saturday morning. I'm gonna have to watch my step a bit more 😎
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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#9 ·
Pure genius.
I’ve recently sat through Mouchette, Pickpocket, and Diary of a Country Priest. Everything was simply masterful.

As someone else pointed out earlier, a man of few words often says the most. With his work, there isn't a single scene that could be stripped away without losing the essence (at least looking at these three films).
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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goldenhound32 said:Pure genius.
I’ve recently sat through Mouchette, Pickpocket, and Diary of a Country Priest. Everything was simply masterful.

As someone else pointed out earlier, a man of few words often says the most. With his work, there isn't a single scene that could be stripped away without losing the essence (at least looking at these three films).

Personally, I think Mouchette and Pickpocket are his absolute best, right up there with A Condemned Man Escaped or The Wind. In those first two, that brilliant minimalism and sheer simplicity just work perfectly... Mouchette has this almost obscenely erotic undertone, though if you look past that initial impression, there are these incredibly heavy layers of emotional impact underneath. It's funny, even though he wasn't some academic filmmaker, Bresson's approach feels almost like a craftsman's work to me. There's this strange contradiction where he uses non-professional actors but demands such cold, precise performances, yet I just can't shake that feeling.
goldenhound32 goldenhound32 Regular
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lonelynx16 said:Personally, I think Mouchette and Pickpocket are his absolute best, right up there with A Condemned Man Escaped or The Wind. In those first two, that brilliant minimalism and sheer simplicity just work perfectly... Mouchette has this almost obscenely erotic undertone, though if you look past that initial impression, there are these incredibly heavy layers of emotional impact underneath. It's funny, even though he wasn't some academic filmmaker, Bresson's approach feels almost like a craftsman's work to me. There's this strange contradiction where he uses non-professional actors but demands such cold, precise performances, yet I just can't shake that feeling.

Couldn't non-professionals deliver those kinds of cold performances?
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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goldenhound32 said:Couldn't non-professionals deliver those kinds of cold performances?

Honestly, no. To me, there’s this fascinating contradiction in his work: he had these meticulously crafted, almost overly polished mise-en-scènes, even though directing wasn't actually his primary trade—he didn't formally study it or anything. By leaning heavily on non-actors and insisting on those stripped-back, "cold" performances, he essentially opened up this massive new playground for cinematic expression, yet he never really pushed past that specific boundary.

Take van Sant's "Elephant," for instance. It works brilliantly because it shares that same minimalist DNA, perfectly scaled to the subject matter. The camera wanders and drifts while the actual plot stays still... and unlike Bresson, the coldness of his non-actors doesn't feel theatrical or staged.
Douglas Robinson12 Douglas Robinson12 Member
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#13 ·
Uh oh... I'm running a bit short on time here, but honestly, a good chunk of what you're saying just doesn't really hold water.
lonelynx16 lonelynx16 MemberOP
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Douglas Robinson12 said:Uh oh... I'm running a bit short on time here, but honestly, a good chunk of what you're saying just doesn't really hold water.

Look, I’m just laying out my own perspective and how I experienced things, you know? But if you actually do find a spare moment, I’d really love for you to point out exactly where you think I'm missing the mark... and maybe share your side of the story too.

peace
silentpuma7 silentpuma7 Newcomer
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#15 ·
Mouchette (1967)

Robert Bresson basically uses this surface-level portrait to map out the personality of a total loser, capturing all the malice in the world and its people. He does it just to pull out that indelible, gloomy cinematic simulacrum known as "Mouchette." The title character—this supposed embodiment of innocence—gets knocked around while playing with toy cars at an amusement park, almost like she’s bouncing off everyone else. One guy might actually seem nice to her, but it's just a fleeting, symbolic moment before her father drags her back to reality with a slap. The hits she takes outside that park are the real horror, leading our spiteful little heroine into one of the most tragic stories ever put to film. It's perceptive and touching. I guess it's my personal favorite Bresson film.
silentpuma7 silentpuma7 Newcomer
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A For Balthazar (1966)

There’s this weird little thing about Bresson’s movies (which is why I keep rewatching them, even after a year gap): they seem simple on the surface because of his cerebral, almost detached way of telling a story. But underneath, there’s actually some really clever directing, ingenious content, and a totally unique cinematic language. In "A For Balthazar," the director finds innocence and purity once again through a victim (a donkey): defeat is the ultimate victory. We get that recurring theme of the drunkard and the loser prone to crime, played by the same actor—though in Bresson's case, it's more accurate to say he uses the same "model" who played Arsène in "Mouchette." This is actually pretty uncharacteristic for Bresson, given what he says in his "Notes on Cinematography": "Don't use the same models in two films: a) They won't be believed; b) They'll look at themselves in the first film like looking in a mirror; they'll want to be seen how you want them to be seen, forcing themselves, and in correcting themselves, they'd betray themselves." But maybe he realized this through experience, since those notes weren't published until 1975.

So, all those beasts Balthazar sees behind circus bars—staring eye-to-eye with a bear, an elephant, and a tiger—basically witness the tragic fate of a single donkey. It's clear Bresson sees a Christ-like figure in Balthazar; he's destined to wash away sins through the suffering of others. Humans have to tame those other animals because they're superior to us, whereas a donkey is just born to be submissive. What really got to me, though—and honestly gave me chills—was when, after being beaten so badly, his owner offers him water, and the donkey proudly refuses it, only to drink from a puddle in a broken tile instead!
Death is salvation! When those eyes closed forever, my own eyes nearly teared up.
A For Balthazar! It's a massive film!

I guess I've fallen into a bit of a Bressonade; I'll probably end up bingeing his whole filmography over the next few days...
silentpuma7 silentpuma7 Newcomer
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A Condemned Man Escaped or The Wind Blows Where It Wills (1956)

From the opening frame to the credits, this thing just sucks you in, even though the title basically spoils the whole plot. I guess being stuck in prison for 16 months under the Nazis gave Robert Bresson a pretty fertile playground to lean into his minimalism and those specific directing methods he’s known for, following up on Diary of a Country Priest.
It’s really a movie about the little details and just sitting with things, plus that gritty human persistence—it makes it pretty clear that nobody is coming to save you unless you save yourself. The real power here is how you end up totally feeling what the lead goes through once he decides to break out; even if he hits a wall at first, freedom is definitely on the horizon...
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#18 ·
silentpuma7 said:A Condemned Man Escaped or The Wind Blows Where It Wills (1956)

From the opening frame to the credits, this thing just sucks you in, even though the title basically spoils the whole plot. I guess being stuck in prison for 16 months under the Nazis gave Robert Bresson a pretty fertile playground to lean into his minimalism and those specific directing methods he’s known for, following up on Diary of a Country Priest.
It’s really a movie about the little details and just sitting with things, plus that gritty human persistence—it makes it pretty clear that nobody is coming to save you unless you save yourself. The real power here is how you end up totally feeling what the lead goes through once he decides to break out; even if he hits a wall at first, freedom is definitely on the horizon...

For me, there are two stylistic quirks here that really stick. First off, the whole story relies heavily on narration; there's hardly any dialogue between characters, which is instead peppered in with this perfectly balanced rhythm. The second thing is that incredibly suggestive use of long takes, where Bresson lets a shot linger on the screen just long enough to squeeze out every drop of emotion. In a way, he says more through silence than he ever could with words, which fits perfectly with Leterrier's minimalist acting style. He wasn't even a trained actor, which is something Bresson used constantly to maintain total control. By using non-professionals, Bresson ensured that no actor's ego could ever overshadow his singular vision for the film.
silentpuma7 silentpuma7 Newcomer
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Joseph Lee3 said:For me, there are two stylistic quirks here that really stick. First off, the whole story relies heavily on narration; there's hardly any dialogue between characters, which is instead peppered in with this perfectly balanced rhythm. The second thing is that incredibly suggestive use of long takes, where Bresson lets a shot linger on the screen just long enough to squeeze out every drop of emotion. In a way, he says more through silence than he ever could with words, which fits perfectly with Leterrier's minimalist acting style. He wasn't even a trained actor, which is something Bresson used constantly to maintain total control. By using non-professionals, Bresson ensured that no actor's ego could ever overshadow his singular vision for the film.


Exactly, you nailed the "stylistic quirks" part. Since Bresson basically defines style as everything that isn't just pure technique, he reveals his whole approach right in the title. He was clearly obsessed with reconstructing events through the relationship between images, which was pretty revolutionary back then. Cutting out the dialogue is his way of ditching that theatrical tradition he hated so much, which I guess wasn't easy for him to pull off. As for those long shots that let the emotion sink in, I guess David Lynch is playing in a similar sandbox with Inland Empire, though in my opinion, David just spiraled into a nightmare there. Actually, the whole movie felt like a nightmare to me, but that's probably a different topic. Back to Robert.
Bresson was definitely a weird, eccentric guy, but his take on cinema seems legit. Not sure if you've read his Notes on Cinematography? In them, he calls his actors "models" and writes: "Films featuring professional actors feel to me like those frustrating dreams where we stubbornly try to force the features of someone we know—a nose, eyes, a mouth—onto a stranger's face, even though we know they don't belong there." That might be the best description of how he viewed acting, specifically how he distanced it from theater. He goes on to say: "Whether we want it or not, the camera brings deep nature to light a thousand times more than our own eye. We have to work with raw material if reality is what we want to paint. And then, what discoveries!" and so on.

Basically, the guy was trying to invent an entirely new cinematic language based on the movement of images. He just couldn't stand the idea of film being some derivative art form of everything else...
Joseph Lee3 Joseph Lee3 Active Member
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#20 ·
The title of "A Condemned Man Escaped or The Wind" actually served as my litmus test for whether the whole experiment worked. See, the suspense is palpable the entire time, even though logically, you should be able to predict the ending from the opening frame. It actually made me chuckle because it reminded me of a total lapse in judgment I witnessed while watching a video on an "Optimum Releasing" release—something that happens way too often on streaming services at home. What happened? In a short featurette literally titled "Introduction to Film by" regarding Jacques Demy's "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg," some guy spends six minutes reciting the entire plot synopsis, including every tiny detail about how it resolves and how it ends. Honestly, I was just sitting there stunned...

Anyway, this specific film feels like the absolute polar opposite of Bresson's cinematic language. It’s like looking at something from the complete other side of the film world, even though both Demy and Bresson are Frenchmen working during the exact same era.

I haven't read a mountain of literature on Bresson or directly by him—maybe just two interviews—but I've managed to get a sense of a man who is obsessed with deconstructing classic cinema. And he actually pulls it off. He basically rejects all the standard pillars of filmmaking, like traditional acting, staging, and music. Then again, I wonder if he can truly remain consistent, because to me, his films feel purely like they belong to an Eisensteinian type of cinema. Without brilliant editing, the whole thing might just fall apart. Yet, I read that he rejects editing itself. That sounds insane, though I suppose an auteur never wants to be dissected or fully explained; it’s probably just that typical artistic ego at work.

His refusal to use trained actors clearly feeds into his desire for absolute authorial expression. He’s searching for what he calls "raw material," which he then shapes into what he believes should be a completely natural situation captured by the camera. Of course, the crucial thing to realize is that this "natural" situation is filtered entirely through Bresson's own vision.

You make a good point about his style being built on the relationship between moving images; you can see that quite clearly in a film that is actually overflowing with dialogue—an experiment in the opposite direction—"The Trial of Joan of Arc." This brings me back to what I think is a vital element of his work: the editing. "The Trial of Joan of Arc" features some of the most impactful editing I've ever seen. The way the shots are strung together is like a high-stakes tennis match, whereas the dialogue itself is almost secondary, quickly becoming maddening with its historically accurate "dryness." Though, I suppose I can imagine how that translates as poetry to the French.

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