#2481 ·
There's way too much defeatist energy on this forum lately, with everyone whining about how "Germans are going to freeze this winter"... as if that’ll somehow force them to just roll over and hand everything to Putin. 😵🤦
Sanctions on Russia
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#2482 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:There's way too much defeatist energy on this forum lately, with everyone whining about how "Germans are going to freeze this winter"... as if that’ll somehow force them to just roll over and hand everything to Putin. 😵🤦
They wouldn't be defeatists if they weren't rooting for the enemy. Right now, they're just frustrated triumphalists.
#2483 ·
analogbear5 said:They wouldn't be defeatists if they weren't rooting for the enemy. Right now, they're just frustrated triumphalists.
Fair point. I was wrong. 👍
#2484 ·
Anthony Perez9 said:There's way too much defeatist energy on this forum lately, with everyone whining about how "Germans are going to freeze this winter"... as if that’ll somehow force them to just roll over and hand everything to Putin. 😵🤦
Only an idiot shoots himself in the foot just to cripple his enemy. A smart man finds a different way to win.
#2485 ·
Austria is sticking with Russian gas, which honestly makes total sense if you think about it.
#2486 ·
David Torres2 said:Austria is sticking with Russian gas, which honestly makes total sense if you think about it.
They could have just focused on retrofitting buildings for energy efficiency, thrown some coal back into the mix, and voilà—problem solved.🎉
#2487 ·
EU diplomacy and sanctions: Borrell just announced that more members of the Russian mission have been declared "persona non grata" by the European Union. The reason? Their activities weren't exactly in line with their diplomatic status.
The exact number hasn't been released yet.
Borrell: video, eng.
https://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/vid...aupres-de-lue/
They took far too long to make this call. Still, better late than never...
The exact number hasn't been released yet.
Borrell: video, eng.
https://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/vid...aupres-de-lue/
They took far too long to make this call. Still, better late than never...
#2488 ·
Question: if a company based in a European Union country is owned by Russians, do the sanctions apply to them too? And how does that actually work?
#2489 ·
Mark Harris66 said:Question: if a company based in a European Union country is owned by Russians, do the sanctions apply to them too? And how does that actually work?
A perfect example from yesterday:
Germany has stepped in—they're calling it temporary 😁—to take control of the Gazprom subsidiary "Gazprom Germania," which is Russian-owned.
Gazprom Germania, the German branch of the Russian gas giant Gazprom, is set to pass under state control temporarily.
#2491 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Only an idiot shoots himself in the foot just to cripple his enemy. A smart man finds a different way to win.
Let me take a guess:
Are we talking about pressuring Zelenskyy to surrender Ukraine?
Or perhaps nudging European Union nations to stop sending aid just so nobody’s backside feels even a tiny bit of chill this coming winter?
#2492 ·
Diplomacy moves forward with more sanctions: Canada kicks out 33 Russian diplomats
Canada expels 33 Russian diplomats 17:16
I wonder what's in store for us...
Canada expels 33 Russian diplomats 17:16
I wonder what's in store for us...
#2493 ·
Sam Alvarez4 said:A perfect example from yesterday:
Germany has stepped in—they're calling it temporary 😁—to take control of the Gazprom subsidiary "Gazprom Germania," which is Russian-owned.
Gazprom Germania, the German branch of the Russian gas giant Gazprom, is set to pass under state control temporarily.
It's likely a tactical play to finally fill up storage facilities instead of keeping them artificially empty like they have been for the past year.
There is a massive difference between relying heavily on a single supplier—especially one like Russia—and the sheer level of idiocy required to let that same supplier maintain ownership over strategic energy reserves...
#2494 ·
slyfox43 said:It's likely a tactical play to finally fill up storage facilities instead of keeping them artificially empty like they have been for the past year.
There is a massive difference between relying heavily on a single supplier—especially one like Russia—and the sheer level of idiocy required to let that same supplier maintain ownership over strategic energy reserves...
Solving a lack of strategic reserves (infrastructure) through seizures? Just the American way... reminds me of what happened with Citgo.
Maybe they should try building something themselves for a change.
They've even got those hidden pockets up in northern Germany—so there's your solution for gas and oil.
#2495 ·
wiredseal7 said:Solving a lack of strategic reserves (infrastructure) through seizures? Just the American way... reminds me of what happened with Citgo.
Maybe they should try building something themselves for a change.
They've even got those hidden pockets up in northern Germany—so there's your solution for gas and oil.
Sure, you can keep whining here about those "ideologically driven interpretations of the truth," but let's be real—whether you call it nationalization or "eminent domain" in the US, that legal principle exists in every organized society. And naturally, it always comes with compensation for the former owner and a legitimate need to serve a critical public interest.
You didn't mention the nationalization of Venezuela's entire private oil industry in the same breath as the "expropriation of Citgo," which happened for... well, reasons that are obvious to me, if not to you. Doesn't that ever get tiring?
In any case, what we're looking at right now is "management," not outright ownership.
#2496 ·
Is there anything left to say when the silence itself becomes the only honest response?
What kind of fool thinks they can just swap out reliable energy grids for a patchwork of solar farms and giant wind turbines, especially when green ideology has clearly scrambled their brains to the point where any dependable power source is treated like a cardinal sin?
wiredseal7 said:Solving a lack of strategic reserves (infrastructure) through seizures? Just the American way... reminds me of what happened with Citgo.
Maybe they should try building something themselves for a change.
They've even got those hidden pockets up in northern Germany—so there's your solution for gas and oil.
What kind of fool thinks they can just swap out reliable energy grids for a patchwork of solar farms and giant wind turbines, especially when green ideology has clearly scrambled their brains to the point where any dependable power source is treated like a cardinal sin?
#2497 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:Only an idiot shoots himself in the foot just to cripple his enemy. A smart man finds a different way to win.
That’s exactly the point. And honestly, that shot wouldn't just be hitting their own foot—it would be hitting something much more vital. Anyone in Europe with half a brain knows they don't want that. In this current climate, the last thing we need is for the foundations of the EU to start shaking. That outcome serves both Russia and the USA, but it serves us in the EU absolutely no one...
#2498 ·
wanderingpilot7 said:That’s exactly the point. And honestly, that shot wouldn't just be hitting their own foot—it would be hitting something much more vital. Anyone in Europe with half a brain knows they don't want that. In this current climate, the last thing we need is for the foundations of the EU to start shaking. That outcome serves both Russia and the USA, but it serves us in the EU absolutely no one...
Look, it’s a tiny price to pay compared to letting Vladimir Putin think he can just treat all of Europe like his personal doormat. We aren't going to collapse overnight (sure, some specific industries might get absolutely hammered,
but hey, even the aviation industry managed to survive the mess of the last two years, so we're still breathing) and besides, just think about the payoff. How long until we have access to gas, oil, and every mineral resource imaginable at like a third of the current cost? Just wait until they're forced to sell everything off just to cover basic necessities. I mean, we're already seeing 30% discounts today!
#2499 ·
Does anyone ever get tired of hearing the same crowd drone on about how US and Russian interests are perfectly aligned in their desire to weaken Europe? I wonder if there’s any actual evidence in how the US has behaved over the last year to support that claim. According to them, the US is undermining Europe by:
1) sharing intelligence that provides early warnings regarding potential Russian aggression,
2) applying intense diplomatic pressure to ensure sanction packages are coordinated,
3) coordinating alternative energy suppliers FOR EUROPE—some of which happen to be American—to shield the continent from Russian retaliation and leverage, ultimately placing Europe in a much stronger negotiating position,
4) deploying significant additional forces to the most vulnerable NATO members,
and so on,
and so on,
and so on.
Are they really working to destabilize Europe with the same fervor that Russia uses for its "denazification of Ukraine" campaign? 🙄
Honestly, reading this kind of nonsense is exhausting. It’s no different than those endless, hollow ramblings about the "brotherhood" of China and Russia while they simultaneously accept massive amounts of aid from the EU and the USA—the very same entities they constantly insult. It's the exact same garbage, through and through.
1) sharing intelligence that provides early warnings regarding potential Russian aggression,
2) applying intense diplomatic pressure to ensure sanction packages are coordinated,
3) coordinating alternative energy suppliers FOR EUROPE—some of which happen to be American—to shield the continent from Russian retaliation and leverage, ultimately placing Europe in a much stronger negotiating position,
4) deploying significant additional forces to the most vulnerable NATO members,
and so on,
and so on,
and so on.
Are they really working to destabilize Europe with the same fervor that Russia uses for its "denazification of Ukraine" campaign? 🙄
Honestly, reading this kind of nonsense is exhausting. It’s no different than those endless, hollow ramblings about the "brotherhood" of China and Russia while they simultaneously accept massive amounts of aid from the EU and the USA—the very same entities they constantly insult. It's the exact same garbage, through and through.
#2500 ·
slyfox43 said:Sure, you can keep whining here about those "ideologically driven interpretations of the truth," but let's be real—whether you call it nationalization or "eminent domain" in the US, that legal principle exists in every organized society. And naturally, it always comes with compensation for the former owner and a legitimate need to serve a critical public interest.
You didn't mention the nationalization of Venezuela's entire private oil industry in the same breath as the "expropriation of Citgo," which happened for... well, reasons that are obvious to me, if not to you. Doesn't that ever get tiring?
In any case, what we're looking at right now is "management," not outright ownership.
In the EU-US, you’re seeing this happen more and more—just seizing things without even bothering to compensate the former owners.
[No text provided to rewrite]Why bother bringing up Venezuela and Hugo Chávez? We all know that was just straight-up communist-style expropriation in a developing nation—basically a textbook case. It’s way more interesting to look at a similar move made in another advanced democracy, where they use some pretty stretched legal gymnastics to try and frame it as "compensation" for the first mess. And even if they hadn't pulled that stunt, would Juan Guaidó have stood a chance? 🙄
You didn't mention the nationalization of Venezuela's entire private oil industry in the same breath as the "expropriation of Citgo"—for reasons that should be obvious to anyone paying attention. Does that ever get old for you?
[No content provided to rewrite.]First you were talking about ownership, now it’s all about management—funny how that works. At the end of the day, I think we both see where this is heading—it's just a slow slide toward seizing assets without paying a dime.
Besides, we’re talking about "control" right now—not actual ownership.
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