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Sanctions on Russia

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Dennis Price Dennis Price Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#2961 ·
It’s honestly kind of funny watching Putin—he actually seems to believe he can shift the West's trajectory. As if dropping a nuke wouldn't just make everyone double down even harder. It feels like there’s no way for the Russians to spin this in their favor unless they actually take Ukraine. If full mobilization were some kind of win for them, they would have pulled the trigger by now—but they know a general draft would backfire. And as for cutting off the gas? Well, who wants an unreliable business partner? Nobody.
electricsurfer47 electricsurfer47 Active Member
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joined Jun 2018
#2962 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:I’m not sure if you even grasp the purpose of NATO or why it was established in the first place. Let’s be honest: expanding NATO eastward and encircling Russia is nothing more than a blatant display of hostility toward them.

Sure, nations have every right to form military alliances as they see fit—but don't act surprised when you end up becoming dependent on hostile energy suppliers because of it. Honestly, the political maneuvering in Europe over the last century has been utterly nonsensical, leading directly to two World Wars on European soil, and now it looks like we're sprinting headlong into a third.

At the end of the day, "villain" and "hero" are just matters of perspective. And yes, I believe Russia is the bad guy here. That's my subjective take, just as yours is yours.

Let's not kid ourselves—without NATO, there would probably be way more wars happening in Europe, and Russia could easily annex more countries, just like the Soviet Union used to do. With NATO around, smaller nations actually have a fighting chance to defend themselves.
Terry Hernandez10 Terry Hernandez10 Active Member
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joined Jul 2023
#2963 ·
BBC is reporting—citing diplomatic sources within the EU—that the European Union might announce a ban on Russian oil imports as early as next week. Based on what we're hearing through the grapevine, this ban would likely be rolled out in several distinct stages.

The European Commission says they intend to coordinate closely with the US and the G7—essentially the world's economic heavyweights—before making any official announcement regarding the Russian oil embargo.

The goal for the EU is to make this ban tough enough to really twist Vladimir Putin's arm, while being careful not to shake up the global oil markets so violently that everything goes sideways.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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joined Oct 2017
#2964 ·
Honestly, I think Russia is just bluffing at this point.
They cut off gas supplies to Poland right after they filled up their storage tanks and got ready to ditch Russian gas, and they did the same to Bulgaria, where everything should be connecting via pipeline in Greece within two months.

If they actually had any nerve, they would have shut off the tap to Germany the moment those guys announced they were sending tanks.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#2965 ·
On the flip side, American gas producers aren't exactly breaking their backs to bail out Europe. They aren't ramping up production because they're betting prices will eventually tank.

Why U.S. Oil Companies Aren’t Riding to Europe’s Rescue

All this talk about expensive American gas being the solution? Honestly, it sounds like a fairy tale. Looks like Europe is just going to end up leaning even harder on Qatar for LNG.
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
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#2966 ·
Has Germany and the rest of the EU officially pivoted their stance on nuclear energy? I’m wondering if there’s any concrete, official word out there regarding the opening of new nuclear plants.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#2967 ·
Jessica Long8 said:Has Germany and the rest of the EU officially pivoted their stance on nuclear energy? I’m wondering if there’s any concrete, official word out there regarding the opening of new nuclear plants.

Germany still has a pretty terrible attitude toward nuclear power. On top of that, you’ve got this bloc led by France where we're right there in the mix, pushing hard to get nuclear energy recognized as a green energy source at the EU level.
fadedranger162 fadedranger162 Active Member
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#2968 ·
ruggeddriver70 said:London: Garry Kasparov, the legendary Russian chess grandmaster, isn't holding back on his criticism of world No.1 tennis star Novak Djokovic for backing Russian athletes—basically claiming that if you aren't actively speaking out against Vladimir Putin’s “war of extermination in Ukraine,” then your silence is basically an endorsement.

https://www.india.com/sports/garry-k...lence-5361898/

So Kasparov is dragging Djokovic because he's calling out the ban on players, including that one tennis guy who spoke up against the war in Ukraine right after his match. Honestly, it's like Kasparov has been playing chess with Putin lately or something. 😵
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#2969 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Germany still has a pretty terrible attitude toward nuclear power. On top of that, you’ve got this bloc led by France where we're right there in the mix, pushing hard to get nuclear energy recognized as a green energy source at the EU level.

Personally, I'd say we're more of a NIMBY crowd. Like, we're all for cheap nuclear energy—as long as it isn't built near us and nobody mentions the whole nuclear waste thing.

When the hippies hit the streets, the Government usually folds.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#2970 ·
hollowdriver13 said:If that 69D chess player in the Kremlin hadn't pulled a few more years out of his sleeve, NATO would probably be falling apart by now due to internal drama and aimless wandering.
And don't even get me started on Europe itself. Before this mess, the US barely gave a damn about them; we were focusing our attention on the Pacific while European countries treated their militaries like some ancient relic or a massive waste of money (just look at the state of the Bundeswehr).
That's a solid assessment of Russia, 👍 though it's almost as much of a toss-up as how hard Ukraine will fight back against the invasion.
Historically speaking, things usually end up going "well" for Russia and the rest of the world only after Europe arms itself to the teeth and the arsenals start firing at each other...

Probably. Any alliance like that needs a tangible enemy to exist. Without one, it's pointless. Either the Kremlin chess player is a terrible strategist, or he's seeing three moves ahead. We'll see. Whoever survives gets to tell the story.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#2971 ·
electricsurfer47 said:Let's not kid ourselves—without NATO, there would probably be way more wars happening in Europe, and Russia could easily annex more countries, just like the Soviet Union used to do. With NATO around, smaller nations actually have a fighting chance to defend themselves.


To be perfectly blunt, comparing the USSR to Russia—whether you're looking at the 1960s versus 2022 or any other era—is just plain foolish.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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joined Aug 2019
#2972 ·
Putin might be a decent chess player, but this isn't a two-player game—and moves aren't just happening one after the other. A checkers strategy doesn't get you very far when you're actually playing poker.

If we look at the war between Russia and Ukraine through a chess lens, though, the Russians aren't stuck in zugzwang anymore—that spot where you're forced to make a bad move because you've run out of options.

The offensive up in the northeast is basically the main indicator of where this whole conflict is headed. The Ukrainians really can't afford to fall for their own propaganda—the way the Russians did.

And it’d be a massive self-inflicted wound if they got too comfortable just assuming the West has their back.
Jessica Long8 Jessica Long8 Newcomer
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#2973 ·
First off, I suspect the level of autocracy and tyranny in Russia is so deep that the people would likely endure sanctions much like those in Iran or North Korea; while sanctions provide a certain amount of pressure, I don't believe they will fundamentally change anything. On a side note, Putin seems like such a psychopath that he probably finds sanctions against athletes more insulting than the actual economic ones.

The only way I see to truly cripple the Russian economy is through total European energy independence and a massive military buildup. You’d need to go all-in on nuclear power and then beef up the defense forces—though, granted, maintaining a massive military is an enormous drain on resources, so if you aren't chasing imperial ambitions, it might not even be a smart move. Still, Europe really ought to be significantly more militarily capable than it is right now.

But hey, I’m sure the leaders in Europe know all this far better than we "wise guys" on this forum ever could.
Joshua Myers432 Joshua Myers432 Regular
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#2974 ·
analogbear5 said:Putin might be a decent chess player, but this isn't a two-player game—and moves aren't just happening one after the other. A checkers strategy doesn't get you very far when you're actually playing poker.

If we look at the war between Russia and Ukraine through a chess lens, though, the Russians aren't stuck in zugzwang anymore—that spot where you're forced to make a bad move because you've run out of options.

The offensive up in the northeast is basically the main indicator of where this whole conflict is headed. The Ukrainians really can't afford to fall for their own propaganda—the way the Russians did.

And it’d be a massive self-inflicted wound if they got too comfortable just assuming the West has their back.

From my perspective, Putin has been in zugzwang since day one. 😁 It's the same story for Europe; no matter what move you make, it's going to be the wrong one.
Grace Phillips25 Grace Phillips25 Member
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joined Mar 2022
#2975 ·
Honestly, Europe shouldn't be sweating the gas situation too much. The US Department of Energy just gave the green light for even more gas exports to head over there.

I mean, who exactly is anyone planning to pick a fight with Russia? Nobody.
Link.

The Department of Energy on Wednesday authorized additional exports of liquefied Natural gas fra The planned Golden pass LNG terminal in Texas and Magnolia LNG terminal in Louisiana, as the U.S. seeks to boost LNG exports to Europe because of Russia's War with Ukraine.
goldenowl73 goldenowl73 Active Member
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joined Dec 2005
#2976 ·
So, I was just reading that Canada is actually looking into passing legislation to seize those frozen Russian assets, and then they'd funnel all that cash directly into rebuilding Ukraine and providing compensation for the victims of the Russian aggression. It’s such a massive move, honestly!

https://ukrainetoday.org/2022/04/27/...te-to-victims/
feralcanyon73 feralcanyon73 Active Member
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joined Sep 2008
#2977 ·
Has the Euro finally hit a 1:1000 ratio against the dollar?
Let's see if those forum economists actually knew what they were talking about.
Paul Anderson7 Paul Anderson7 Active Member
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joined Jun 2010
#2978 ·
Let’s be realistic here—sanctions aren't some magic wand designed to stop a war in its tracks right this second. Their real purpose is to prevent any future conflicts Russia might try to launch.
There was a slim chance that sanctions might actually deter Putin from escalating further and lead to some sort of civilized resolution, but we can pretty much kiss that idea goodbye now. At this point, Ukraine has to defend itself militarily, which means these sanctions need to stick around for decades.

Even if we decide to ease up on certain restrictions, the current direction the EU is taking—basically deciding that Russia is no longer a partner—is enough to turn Russia into a living hell on Earth within ten or twenty years. Honestly, it might happen even sooner.
Dana Chase51 Dana Chase51 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#2979 ·
feralcanyon73 said:Has the Euro finally hit a 1:1000 ratio against the dollar?
Let's see if those forum economists actually knew what they were talking about.

Did Russia start the invasion of Ukraine?
Just checking to see if you were right back on February 19th at 10:47 AM when you claimed the forum cowboys were just being foolish and uninformed for thinking an invasion was actually coming.
Susan Walker25 Susan Walker25 Member
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joined Oct 2021
#2980 ·
Joshua Myers432 said:To be perfectly blunt, comparing the USSR to Russia—whether you're looking at the 1960s versus 2022 or any other era—is just plain foolish.

Oh, really?
I don't see much of a difference when it comes to their political playbook.

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