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analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4301 ·
brightheron64 said:It’s honestly quite bizarre—you’ve got the Bomb and a massive military at your disposal, yet you claim to have no ambitions? It’s almost as if all that power is just sitting there, completely useless and purely decorative...😬

Even the most remote tribes deep within the jungles of Papua have some sort of territorial ambition... even if it's just wanting to gobble up their neighbors...

They defend a rigid, medieval kingdom and... what else?

Just so we're all clear—cannibalism was actually practiced in Papua. I'm bringing this up because cannibalism is way more interesting than whatever you guys are rambling about right now.
driftingtinker driftingtinker Regular
372 messages
joined Jan 2019
#4302 ·
"Sanctions on Russia"... ☕
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#4303 ·
In the end, it looks like the Russian economy has actually outlasted their military performance. Even the ruble is holding up stronger than people expected before the conflict started.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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#4304 ·
gentleviper62 said:In the end, it looks like the Russian economy has actually outlasted their military performance. Even the ruble is holding up stronger than people expected before the conflict started.

Oh yeah? And where exactly is this "strength" hiding?😁

If you're sitting on a pile of rubles and you can actually swap them for US dollars at that supposed "rate"—then fine, I’ll give you that one. You, me, anyone else on this planet...

But if you can't actually make that trade? Then your whole argument is just plain nonsense... right?
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#4305 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Oh yeah? And where exactly is this "strength" hiding?😁

If you're sitting on a pile of rubles and you can actually swap them for US dollars at that supposed "rate"—then fine, I’ll give you that one. You, me, anyone else on this planet...

But if you can't actually make that trade? Then your whole argument is just plain nonsense... right?

I was just looking at the Russian GDP numbers from April—it only dipped by 3%. So much for that whole "collapse" narrative. Just more British propaganda.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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#4306 ·
gentleviper62 said:I was just looking at the Russian GDP numbers from April—it only dipped by 3%. So much for that whole "collapse" narrative. Just more British propaganda.

Haha... yeah, right. That’s the same tired logic people use when they claim the ruble is "stronger" than it actually is.

Besides, you totally dodged my original question. Is there anyone on this planet who can actually swap rubles for US dollars at those ridiculous exchange rates Russia keeps bragging about? Can you do it? 😁

If you can't—then what exactly are you basing this whole "strong ruble" argument on?
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#4307 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Haha... yeah, right. That’s the same tired logic people use when they claim the ruble is "stronger" than it actually is.

Besides, you totally dodged my original question. Is there anyone on this planet who can actually swap rubles for US dollars at those ridiculous exchange rates Russia keeps bragging about? Can you do it? 😁

If you can't—then what exactly are you basing this whole "strong ruble" argument on?

That’s beside the point. What matters is how much someone in Russia can actually buy with their own money.
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4308 ·
gentleviper62 said:In the end, it looks like the Russian economy has actually outlasted their military performance. Even the ruble is holding up stronger than people expected before the conflict started.

I see this being posted on every single page—so I guess I'll go through the motions again.

The ruble's price since March isn't driven by the market—it's the Russian central bank pulling the strings with strict trade controls. It's basically just capital control.

The ruble looks strong because there's massive demand for it—every exporter is forced to buy it up.

On the flip side, importers in Russia aren't looking for euros or dollars because imports have absolutely cratered due to sanctions.

So, the exchange rate doesn't mean the world is suddenly dying to invest in Russia—it just means the Russian central bank is forcing it to stay at this level to try and keep inflation in check.

Plus, a strong ruble eats into export profits, meaning they'll eventually need even more euros and dollars just to plug those budget holes.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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#4309 ·
gentleviper62 said:That’s beside the point. What matters is how much someone in Russia can actually buy with their own money.

😁 ...good grief...🤦
of course it matters...

just look at the price tags on basic goods in Russian grocery stores... if you actually factor in the exchange rate—they're paying way more for things than anyone else in the European Union...

so how does that work then?😁

Or is that not important either?
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#4310 ·
analogbear5 said:I see this being posted on every single page—so I guess I'll go through the motions again.

The ruble's price since March isn't driven by the market—it's the Russian central bank pulling the strings with strict trade controls. It's basically just capital control.

The ruble looks strong because there's massive demand for it—every exporter is forced to buy it up.

On the flip side, importers in Russia aren't looking for euros or dollars because imports have absolutely cratered due to sanctions.

So, the exchange rate doesn't mean the world is suddenly dying to invest in Russia—it just means the Russian central bank is forcing it to stay at this level to try and keep inflation in check.

Plus, a strong ruble eats into export profits, meaning they'll eventually need even more euros and dollars just to plug those budget holes.

They are propping it up, sure, but foreign exchange reserves seem to be holding steady for now. People were predicting a total bankruptcy, yet here we are. If they manage to convince foreign buyers to pay for energy using rubles, it could set a precedent that challenges the dollar's global dominance.
gentleviper62 gentleviper62 Member
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#4311 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:😁 ...good grief...🤦
of course it matters...

just look at the price tags on basic goods in Russian grocery stores... if you actually factor in the exchange rate—they're paying way more for things than anyone else in the European Union...

so how does that work then?😁

Or is that not important either?

And what specifically are they paying more for? Give me an example or even just a photo from a store.
rowdymaker17 rowdymaker17 Member
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#4312 ·
swiftjackal11 said:The US claims to be defending democracy, yet here we are in Ukraine watching one person of faith kill another.

It is quite a laughable irony to suggest that the USA—a nation that hardly fits the definition of a democracy itself—is out there acting as the guardian of democratic values. One has to wonder exactly what they are protecting us from, because it certainly isn't themselves.🤦
analogbear5 analogbear5 Regular
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#4313 ·
gentleviper62 said:They are propping it up, sure, but foreign exchange reserves seem to be holding steady for now. People were predicting a total bankruptcy, yet here we are. If they manage to convince foreign buyers to pay for energy using rubles, it could set a precedent that challenges the dollar's global dominance.

I mean, seriously, who was actually buying the bankruptcy story given how much oil and gas they're pumping out?

Nobody was ever talking about paying for oil in rubles—that's not even on the table right now. They aren't looking to ditch the petrodollar entirely. It’s just gas, aimed at the European market, using something other than the euro.
swiftjackal11 swiftjackal11 Regular
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#4314 ·
gentleviper62 said:They are propping it up, sure, but foreign exchange reserves seem to be holding steady for now. People were predicting a total bankruptcy, yet here we are. If they manage to convince foreign buyers to pay for energy using rubles, it could set a precedent that challenges the dollar's global dominance.

Then why isn't there any ruble cash in the exchange offices? You buy it and just save it. The ruble is getting stronger.
Brenda Murphy3 Brenda Murphy3 Regular
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#4315 ·
gentleviper62 said:And what specifically are they paying more for? Give me an example or even just a photo from a store.

Look, there's a massive amount of video content out there on YouTube, but honestly, I can't be bothered... because you clearly aren't interested anyway.

When someone flies in here making claims like yours... man, you can see from miles away where you're headed and what your actual goal is. Good luck to ya. 😁

(But seriously—there are endless videos of Russian supermarkets available if you want to look; just convert the prices to dollars using the current exchange rate and see how much stuff actually costs.)
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#4316 ·
Brenda Murphy3 said:Haha... yeah, right. That’s the same tired logic people use when they claim the ruble is "stronger" than it actually is.

Besides, you totally dodged my original question. Is there anyone on this planet who can actually swap rubles for US dollars at those ridiculous exchange rates Russia keeps bragging about? Can you do it? 😁

If you can't—then what exactly are you basing this whole "strong ruble" argument on?

Well, you could technically buy it on the Russian currency market, where the importers are the ones doing all the buying.
rowdymaker17 rowdymaker17 Member
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#4317 ·
analogbear5 said:I see this being posted on every single page—so I guess I'll go through the motions again.

The ruble's price since March isn't driven by the market—it's the Russian central bank pulling the strings with strict trade controls. It's basically just capital control.

The ruble looks strong because there's massive demand for it—every exporter is forced to buy it up.

On the flip side, importers in Russia aren't looking for euros or dollars because imports have absolutely cratered due to sanctions.

So, the exchange rate doesn't mean the world is suddenly dying to invest in Russia—it just means the Russian central bank is forcing it to stay at this level to try and keep inflation in check.

Plus, a strong ruble eats into export profits, meaning they'll eventually need even more euros and dollars just to plug those budget holes.

The world has indeed developed a hunger for investing here because every broker out there is advising people to go long on the ruble. In fact, those savvy enough to move when the ruble initially tanked at the start of the conflict have already pocketed massive profits now that the value has surged 40% against the dollar. Current projections suggest it will continue to climb through year-end. Even Bloomberg is reporting that the ruble is currently the most attractive currency on the market for investors, and many are already moving in to further stabilize its rise in anticipation of significant returns. It appears that the NATO sanctions have achieved precisely the opposite of what they were intended to prevent. One can only wonder what sort of inept politicians our nations have seen fit to elect. Compared to the scale of this, Alan Ford is practically a child.

Regarding the other matter, the purchasing power of the average Russian is essentially equal to that of the average German. This implies that the typical German possesses the highest purchasing power among all European states. Therefore, Germany, Russia, and Indonesia share similar per capita purchasing power, while China, Japan, and India hold much higher levels compared to Europe, Asia, or Africa. That is where the entire argument begins and ends.

It seems to me that uneducated individuals want to believe Russia is some destitute backwater inhabited by lunatics, yet the reality is quite different. For instance, the USA actually has a higher poverty rate than Russia does.

If the average Russian enjoys the same purchasing power domestically as the average German, it signifies one thing: they will endure these sanctions just as long, if not longer, than the rest of the European states. Those other nations, being poorer and having citizens with significantly lower purchasing power, will begin to fall like dominoes—and they are already starting to feel the impact. Germany, however, if it falls at all, will likely be the last to go. The reason Russia might emerge from this considerably stronger is simple: unlike Germany, Russia possesses nearly every essential resource on the planet and can easily provide warmth and food for its people. As for Germany... we shall see how they manage with the most expensive logistics chain in the world just to secure oil. I can already envision the price of a gallon of gasoline in $8.25 by the end of the year. When prices hit $6.75, we will see gas stations, mechanics, tire shops, vehicle rentals, and the entire transport sector beginning to collapse. Yet, our esteemed politicians insist on learning from their own mistakes—mistakes that we are ultimately forced to pay for. 👍

If the average American had the purchasing power of a Russian, well... we would be a different kind of superpower. But no, we live in a place with the costs of a developing nation but the price tags of the USA. It is a grim reality. 👍
gentlerider7 gentlerider7 Regular
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joined Jan 2021
#4318 ·
So if things are going so incredibly well for them, why on earth are they still throwing such a massive tantrum over the sanctions?
rowdymaker17 rowdymaker17 Member
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#4319 ·
gentlerider7 said:So if things are going so incredibly well for them, why on earth are they still throwing such a massive tantrum over the sanctions?

I am not entirely certain, though I certainly haven't noticed any widespread outrage regarding sanctions; if anything, the media coverage suggests people couldn't care less about them, as the actual anger seems directed toward the provision of NATO weaponry to Ukraine, which are two fundamentally distinct issues. Furthermore, this conflict has served as a rather embarrassing demonstration of just how mediocre our NATO hardware actually is, considering that a single Russian force equipped with antiquated machinery and whatever else they happen to have in their stockpiles is successfully repelling every conceivable combination of NATO arsenals thrown at them. Not to mention the supposedly advanced NATO radar systems that somehow failed to detect a drone launched by Ukraine toward our own capital city. It leads me to believe that the only thing our alliance is truly capable of accomplishing is engaging in endless, hollow rhetoric: "Blah blah blah, blah blah, blah, blah blah blah..." 👍
Morgan Wright5 Morgan Wright5 Active Member
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joined Mar 2022
#4320 ·
rowdymaker17 said:The world has indeed developed a hunger for investing here because every broker out there is advising people to go long on the ruble. In fact, those savvy enough to move when the ruble initially tanked at the start of the conflict have already pocketed massive profits now that the value has surged 40% against the dollar. Current projections suggest it will continue to climb through year-end. Even Bloomberg is reporting that the ruble is currently the most attractive currency on the market for investors, and many are already moving in to further stabilize its rise in anticipation of significant returns. It appears that the NATO sanctions have achieved precisely the opposite of what they were intended to prevent. One can only wonder what sort of inept politicians our nations have seen fit to elect. Compared to the scale of this, Alan Ford is practically a child.

Regarding the other matter, the purchasing power of the average Russian is essentially equal to that of the average German. This implies that the typical German possesses the highest purchasing power among all European states. Therefore, Germany, Russia, and Indonesia share similar per capita purchasing power, while China, Japan, and India hold much higher levels compared to Europe, Asia, or Africa. That is where the entire argument begins and ends.

It seems to me that uneducated individuals want to believe Russia is some destitute backwater inhabited by lunatics, yet the reality is quite different. For instance, the USA actually has a higher poverty rate than Russia does.

If the average Russian enjoys the same purchasing power domestically as the average German, it signifies one thing: they will endure these sanctions just as long, if not longer, than the rest of the European states. Those other nations, being poorer and having citizens with significantly lower purchasing power, will begin to fall like dominoes—and they are already starting to feel the impact. Germany, however, if it falls at all, will likely be the last to go. The reason Russia might emerge from this considerably stronger is simple: unlike Germany, Russia possesses nearly every essential resource on the planet and can easily provide warmth and food for its people. As for Germany... we shall see how they manage with the most expensive logistics chain in the world just to secure oil. I can already envision the price of a gallon of gasoline in $8.25 by the end of the year. When prices hit $6.75, we will see gas stations, mechanics, tire shops, vehicle rentals, and the entire transport sector beginning to collapse. Yet, our esteemed politicians insist on learning from their own mistakes—mistakes that we are ultimately forced to pay for. 👍

If the average American had the purchasing power of a Russian, well... we would be a different kind of superpower. But no, we live in a place with the costs of a developing nation but the price tags of the USA. It is a grim reality. 👍

Have you ever actually been to Russia?

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