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Carl Lee27 Carl Lee27 Regular
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#1241 ·
🙏

So, Jen Psaki was just cracking a joke—and honestly, you have to laugh to keep from crying at this point—about how Russia may have actually sanctioned President Biden’s late father, because apparently, they specifically targeted Joseph Robinette Biden and not Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.!

https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/s...5F1z1l0sQ&s=19
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#1242 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Man, those "tough guys" in Russia really think sanctions won't touch them. 🤦

The wildest part is this paragraph claiming the French are going to display artwork from Imperial Russia just to spite modern-day Russia. 🙏 😵

🤔

I mean, I guess looting your "wealthy" neighbor is a pretty solid strategy too. 🤣

And don't even get me started on how "devastating" it is to stop reading Leo Tolstoy, Alexander Pushkin, Mikhail Sholokhov, or Ivan Turgenev.

Or perhaps banning performances at the Bolshoi Theatre.🙏

Those are such catastrophic losses for Russia that they simply won't be able to survive.🙏

But really, what can you do?
Europe has made its firm decision to distance itself from Russia and move away from Russian gas dependency.
Now, they'll just rely on American and Arab supplies at whatever unpredictable "market" prices come their way.

The results are already clear and tangible.

Gas prices in Europe have hit an all-time high right as American LNG exporters have finally completed years of development on projects designed to flood international markets with shale gas supply.

According to traders, major American producers—like Cheniere Energy, the largest exporter in the States—are among those reaping massive profits from the price surge, thanks to numerous long-term LNG sales contracts signed over the last few months.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/americk...-krizi/272458/
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1243 ·
urbanotter said:And don't even get me started on how "devastating" it is to stop reading Leo Tolstoy, Alexander Pushkin, Mikhail Sholokhov, or Ivan Turgenev.

Or perhaps banning performances at the Bolshoi Theatre.🙏

Those are such catastrophic losses for Russia that they simply won't be able to survive.🙏

But really, what can you do?
Europe has made its firm decision to distance itself from Russia and move away from Russian gas dependency.
Now, they'll just rely on American and Arab supplies at whatever unpredictable "market" prices come their way.

The results are already clear and tangible.

Gas prices in Europe have hit an all-time high right as American LNG exporters have finally completed years of development on projects designed to flood international markets with shale gas supply.

According to traders, major American producers—like Cheniere Energy, the largest exporter in the States—are among those reaping massive profits from the price surge, thanks to numerous long-term LNG sales contracts signed over the last few months.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/americk...-krizi/272458/

There you go, your precious Russians. Give them a round of applause. That's what you support.

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/polit...l#xtor=CS5-282
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
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#1244 ·
urbanotter said:I don't have much time, but

I am simply defending the right of Russia to defend itself against those who are grabbing it by the throat and trying to choke it—something the Americans and NATO have been doing since the collapse of the USSR.
As for wheat and our supposed "self-sufficiency," that won't change the fact that we might have enough, but certainly not at prices people can actually afford.
The entire Western system is built on profiteering; whoever pays the most gets what they need.
Do you honestly believe these prices are the result of a shortage or scarcity, or are they the result of market manipulation used to dictate "commodity prices"?
Just like they are doing with energy right now, that is exactly how they will handle food.
I don't have much more to argue; just walk down to a gas station or a grocery store and you'll see this profiteering system in action.

Ukraine is just a pawn that will end up paying the highest price in this game of the West encircling itself with the NATO alliance—an alliance that claims to be defensive but isn't afraid to strike if necessary.

The Americans defend their interests thousands of miles away from their own borders rather than at home, where their borders have long been secured and surrounded by their own satellites.

Have you ever actually read American history and seen the way they have expanded their influence globally? From the war with Spain over Cuba and Puerto Rico all the way to Afghanistan.
It’s funny how they never seem to use those empty platitudes about sovereignty or a nation's right to self-determination in those cases.

I don't know about him, but I do. Let's be real: times have changed. War isn't the goal anymore—especially not fighting through Europe or against Muslims in Europe just to grab some patch of dirt. It’s always been about moving borders a few yards here and there, leaving nothing but scars for future generations. As the population grows, we become more aware, even if everyone is just parroting the same talking points. Anyone who has actually studied Biden and Putin knew this was coming. No compromise has been found in six months. One side says one thing, the other says something else. Diplomacy between these ideologies is zero; historically, it's always been a win for either Russia or the USA. Before Russia won, they went through hell in WW2. Most of the weaponry Russia has was built for defense because someone else was pumping arms into them during the Cold War.

Russia is worried. They have territory, sure, but we have at least three or four times as much as they do. But go ahead, keep panicking. NATO doesn't guarantee Russia a single thing. In fact, NATO's new objective seems to be toppling dictatorships worldwide, which just leads straight to war. You can't claim all US actions in the Middle East are wrong; if living under a dictatorship or a feudal system was actually great, people wouldn't have been fleeing Afghanistan.

William Chase79 said:Powerball just dropped those sanctions and joined the rest of the betting sites—so no more Russian or Belarusian matches now
PSK, DraftKings, and Germania are clearly asleep at the wheel...

At least they didn't get hit by doping scandals this year 🤣, though knowing who owns them, they'll probably just shut it down to cover it up.
hollowdriver13 hollowdriver13 Regular
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#1245 ·
urbanotter said:And don't even get me started on how "devastating" it is to stop reading Leo Tolstoy, Alexander Pushkin, Mikhail Sholokhov, or Ivan Turgenev.

Or perhaps banning performances at the Bolshoi Theatre.🙏

Those are such catastrophic losses for Russia that they simply won't be able to survive.🙏

But really, what can you do?
Europe has made its firm decision to distance itself from Russia and move away from Russian gas dependency.
Now, they'll just rely on American and Arab supplies at whatever unpredictable "market" prices come their way.

The results are already clear and tangible.

Gas prices in Europe have hit an all-time high right as American LNG exporters have finally completed years of development on projects designed to flood international markets with shale gas supply.

According to traders, major American producers—like Cheniere Energy, the largest exporter in the States—are among those reaping massive profits from the price surge, thanks to numerous long-term LNG sales contracts signed over the last few months.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/americk...-krizi/272458/


Man, you're getting way too emotional about Russia. Seriously, go grab a drink and chill out; it’s not healthy to stress this much over a country you claim you "don't care about" when you really just want some peace and quiet.☕
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1246 ·
hollowdriver13 said:Man, you're getting way too emotional about Russia. Seriously, go grab a drink and chill out; it’s not healthy to stress this much over a country you claim you "don't care about" when you really just want some peace and quiet.☕

He’s an old-school party loyalist who still thinks Russia is some kind of self-sufficient superpower. That’s just how he was trained back in the academy, and he refuses to deviate from the script. I'm just waiting for the day they label all of us counterrevolutionaries.
Bryan Booth82 Bryan Booth82 Regular
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#1247 ·
urbanotter said:And don't even get me started on how "devastating" it is to stop reading Leo Tolstoy, Alexander Pushkin, Mikhail Sholokhov, or Ivan Turgenev.

Or perhaps banning performances at the Bolshoi Theatre.🙏

Those are such catastrophic losses for Russia that they simply won't be able to survive.🙏

But really, what can you do?
Europe has made its firm decision to distance itself from Russia and move away from Russian gas dependency.
Now, they'll just rely on American and Arab supplies at whatever unpredictable "market" prices come their way.

The results are already clear and tangible.

Gas prices in Europe have hit an all-time high right as American LNG exporters have finally completed years of development on projects designed to flood international markets with shale gas supply.

According to traders, major American producers—like Cheniere Energy, the largest exporter in the States—are among those reaping massive profits from the price surge, thanks to numerous long-term LNG sales contracts signed over the last few months.

https://seebiz.eu/energetika/americk...-krizi/272458/

Those people who insist on writing "Europe" with a capital E, claiming that the West decided to pull away from Russia—that is a blatant lie.

It is Russia that is distancing itself from civilized society; the West is simply refusing to stand on the same side as those criminals.
Best regards,
Rachel White Rachel White Newcomer
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#1248 ·
Bryan Booth82 said:Those people who insist on writing "Europe" with a capital E, claiming that the West decided to pull away from Russia—that is a blatant lie.

It is Russia that is distancing itself from civilized society; the West is simply refusing to stand on the same side as those criminals.
Best regards,

So, I suppose Russia is the sole villain here and the West is completely blameless?
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1249 ·
Rachel White said:So, I suppose Russia is the sole villain here and the West is completely blameless?

Russia committed the aggression, and Russia alone is committing crimes.
Those are the facts.
Andrew Hall47 Andrew Hall47 Member
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#1250 ·
Rachel White said:So, I suppose Russia is the sole villain here and the West is completely blameless?

Exactly. Though, the West would be at fault if they had simply tolerated Putin's violence for longer. Sanctions should have been on the table after the first journalist or political opponent was killed.
Gary Patel Gary Patel Active Member
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#1251 ·
If the war wraps up anytime soon, how long do you guys think the sanctions will actually stick? Do you think they’ll vanish the second the invasion ends—or will they linger around for a while, longer or shorter?
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#1252 ·
hollowdriver13 As if I haven't spent enough time reflecting on this lately, someone just pointed out that...
You’re getting way too emotional about Russia; honestly, maybe go grab a drink and just take a breather. It doesn't seem healthy to be this worked up over a country you claim not to care about, especially when all you really want is some peace and quiet. ☕

I wouldn’t say I’m an emotional person by any means; if anything, I tend to rely strictly on logic and keeping a level head in any given situation.

I honestly don't find myself getting worked up over a country that I just don't feel any particular connection to.
Forget all that media hysteria, the blatant bias, and those exhausting double standards where everyone seems to point the finger at Russia without offering a single shred of actual evidence or perspective.
I honestly find it hard to wrap my head around how much people can let their brains simply shut down like that.

I think you’ve hit on something essential there. At the end of the day, peace is really all I’m looking for. It feels like the only way to stop this cycle of destruction and prevent more lives from being lost—especially when it's usually those who had nothing to do with the conflict in the first place who pay the highest price. To truly move past this, we need genuine equality and a real, honest agreement between the powers actually pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I find myself feeling rather unsettled by this growing rift between Europe and Russia. Given that they are our neighbors, and always will be, it feels like a missed opportunity for stability. I’ve always believed that when you live side-by-side with a major power, the goal should be finding ways to rely on one another and offer mutual support, rather than constantly calculating how to inflict damage on the other side.
Arthur Miller7 Arthur Miller7 Active Member
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#1253 ·
urbanotter said:
hollowdriver13 As if I haven't spent enough time reflecting on this lately, someone just pointed out that...
You’re getting way too emotional about Russia; honestly, maybe go grab a drink and just take a breather. It doesn't seem healthy to be this worked up over a country you claim not to care about, especially when all you really want is some peace and quiet. ☕

I wouldn’t say I’m an emotional person by any means; if anything, I tend to rely strictly on logic and keeping a level head in any given situation.

I honestly don't find myself getting worked up over a country that I just don't feel any particular connection to.
Forget all that media hysteria, the blatant bias, and those exhausting double standards where everyone seems to point the finger at Russia without offering a single shred of actual evidence or perspective.
I honestly find it hard to wrap my head around how much people can let their brains simply shut down like that.

I think you’ve hit on something essential there. At the end of the day, peace is really all I’m looking for. It feels like the only way to stop this cycle of destruction and prevent more lives from being lost—especially when it's usually those who had nothing to do with the conflict in the first place who pay the highest price. To truly move past this, we need genuine equality and a real, honest agreement between the powers actually pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I find myself feeling rather unsettled by this growing rift between Europe and Russia. Given that they are our neighbors, and always will be, it feels like a missed opportunity for stability. I’ve always believed that when you live side-by-side with a major power, the goal should be finding ways to rely on one another and offer mutual support, rather than constantly calculating how to inflict damage on the other side.

If history and experience teach us anything, it's that you can't count on those Eastern neighbors for squat. Personally? I can live perfectly fine without Russia. Won't shed a single tear.
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
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#1254 ·
Gary Patel said:If the war wraps up anytime soon, how long do you guys think the sanctions will actually stick? Do you think they’ll vanish the second the invasion ends—or will they linger around for a while, longer or shorter?

Sanctions are staying put. There are a few ways this plays out: there’s no way they lift them unless Russia reaches some kind of diplomatic deal with Ukraine to peel certain restrictions away from others. The whole point was to trigger hyperinflation. At the end of the day, Russia might be forced to lean on China, which is a massive shift. These sanctions leave scars—it wouldn't be smart to just wipe the slate clean immediately.

Russia is huge, sure, but economically? They weren't even in the top 10 back in 2021 or 2020. Even when they were up there, it was mostly just gas, timber, Turkish wheat, stuff like that...
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#1255 ·
crimsoncyclist71 said:There you go, your precious Russians. Give them a round of applause. That's what you support.

https://www.zdf.de/nachrichten/polit...l#xtor=CS5-282

I think we really need to look closer and figure out how much of this is actually true.
In my experience, these kinds of tragedies happen in just about every single armed conflict we see on the news.
I remember hearing stories from back in the day about entire small towns being wiped out simply because they were labeled as political dissidents.
Between drone strikes, various tactical operations, and all the other ways combatants try to eliminate opposition, it would take forever to list everything that goes wrong in a war zone.
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1256 ·
urbanotter said:
hollowdriver13 As if I haven't spent enough time reflecting on this lately, someone just pointed out that...
You’re getting way too emotional about Russia; honestly, maybe go grab a drink and just take a breather. It doesn't seem healthy to be this worked up over a country you claim not to care about, especially when all you really want is some peace and quiet. ☕

I wouldn’t say I’m an emotional person by any means; if anything, I tend to rely strictly on logic and keeping a level head in any given situation.

I honestly don't find myself getting worked up over a country that I just don't feel any particular connection to.
Forget all that media hysteria, the blatant bias, and those exhausting double standards where everyone seems to point the finger at Russia without offering a single shred of actual evidence or perspective.
I honestly find it hard to wrap my head around how much people can let their brains simply shut down like that.

I think you’ve hit on something essential there. At the end of the day, peace is really all I’m looking for. It feels like the only way to stop this cycle of destruction and prevent more lives from being lost—especially when it's usually those who had nothing to do with the conflict in the first place who pay the highest price. To truly move past this, we need genuine equality and a real, honest agreement between the powers actually pulling the strings behind the scenes.
I find myself feeling rather unsettled by this growing rift between Europe and Russia. Given that they are our neighbors, and always will be, it feels like a missed opportunity for stability. I’ve always believed that when you live side-by-side with a major power, the goal should be finding ways to rely on one another and offer mutual support, rather than constantly calculating how to inflict damage on the other side.

This is what you support:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status...aA5JIHYzk6ru4w

Have you no shame?
crimsoncyclist71 crimsoncyclist71 Active Member
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#1257 ·
urbanotter said:I think we really need to look closer and figure out how much of this is actually true.
In my experience, these kinds of tragedies happen in just about every single armed conflict we see on the news.
I remember hearing stories from back in the day about entire small towns being wiped out simply because they were labeled as political dissidents.
Between drone strikes, various tactical operations, and all the other ways combatants try to eliminate opposition, it would take forever to list everything that goes wrong in a war zone.

Sure, let's just verify everything... it's all fake... Russia didn't invade... 🤦

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status...aA5JIHYzk6ru4w

You have no shame. Is there anything left of your humanity?
Do you honestly believe Russians are saints?
Grace Bennett6 Grace Bennett6 Active Member
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#1258 ·
Nihi said:The Georgian Civil War 1991-1993
War in Abkhazia 1991-1993
War in Transnistria 1992
South Ossetia conflict 1992
First Chechen War 1994-1995
Second Chechen War 1999-2009
Russo-Georgian War 2008
Russian-Ukrainian conflict 2014-
Syrian War 2015-
Central African Republic 2018-

Thank God Russia isn't at war...

And all that went down without any sanctions, except when they started crossing borders and stealing territory from Ukraine.

Keep trolling.

Where have you been...🤦 You forgot the big ones people love to use as "arguments":

Soviet-Afghan War 1979-1989 Ten years, lost to the Taliban. Then the Americans tried for 20 years, didn't work either...

Right after that:

Vietnam War
urbanotter urbanotter Regular
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#1259 ·
Grace Bennett6 said:I don't know about him, but I do. Let's be real: times have changed. War isn't the goal anymore—especially not fighting through Europe or against Muslims in Europe just to grab some patch of dirt. It’s always been about moving borders a few yards here and there, leaving nothing but scars for future generations. As the population grows, we become more aware, even if everyone is just parroting the same talking points. Anyone who has actually studied Biden and Putin knew this was coming. No compromise has been found in six months. One side says one thing, the other says something else. Diplomacy between these ideologies is zero; historically, it's always been a win for either Russia or the USA. Before Russia won, they went through hell in WW2. Most of the weaponry Russia has was built for defense because someone else was pumping arms into them during the Cold War.

Russia is worried. They have territory, sure, but we have at least three or four times as much as they do. But go ahead, keep panicking. NATO doesn't guarantee Russia a single thing. In fact, NATO's new objective seems to be toppling dictatorships worldwide, which just leads straight to war. You can't claim all US actions in the Middle East are wrong; if living under a dictatorship or a feudal system was actually great, people wouldn't have been fleeing Afghanistan.

At least they didn't get hit by doping scandals this year 🤣, though knowing who owns them, they'll probably just shut it down to cover it up.

In reality, very little has actually changed; it’s just been packaged a bit more nicely. One time it's framed as a fight against hateful communism, and the next, it's presented as liberating people from tyranny and gifting them democracy.
I honestly wonder how much an average person in Iraq, Iran, or Saudi Arabia actually cares about the concept of democracy.

Putin has been issuing warnings constantly, but apparently, no one was listening.
If Trump had stayed in office as a "businessman," maybe we wouldn't be facing this conflict, but with the questionable choice of Biden, things have shifted fundamentally.

Historically, Russia has endured three devastating wars—Napoleonic, WW1, and WW2—suffering massive destruction and losing tens of millions of lives.
It’s entirely possible that this is why Putin is so wary; he feels pressured by a power that, instead of engaging in civil war or direct combat on its own soil, used strategic circumstances to push itself into becoming the world's sole hegemon or the "only military superpower."
Lately, however, the tide is starting to turn. China is entering the fray, Russia is finding its footing again, and then there's India, which certainly won't be sitting idly by.
This suggests that the old status quo and influence are slipping away, something some people are having a very hard time swallowing or accepting.
This isn't just a localized conflict between Ukraine and Russia; it's about a global shift and the redistribution of power.
Yet, some people remain fixated solely on heart-wrenching news reports and smartphone footage, failing to see that a massive tsunami is approaching if we don't establish a new balance of influence.
George Robinson43 George Robinson43 Regular
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#1260 ·
Well, I would argue those aren't quite wars, but rather special operations—much like the situation in Afghanistan, where they turned Washington, D.C. into a massive architectural marvel.

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